Polaris922 Posted August 3, 2012 Share Posted August 3, 2012 Koivu is a goo utility guy. Does a lot of things well, nothing great. I thought he and Heatley would be a nice fit but the jury remains out... Parise is the best talent on that team in my eyes. A complete player like Koivu, but is better at every aspect of the game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jammer2 Posted August 3, 2012 Share Posted August 3, 2012 @Polaris922 Yes Polaris, agree...I'd give Praise the edge over Koivu in tenacity, physicality, cycling, penalty killing, scoring and leadership. Zach's just a little guy, but he can knock you out of a game with a nice hit, Koivu just does not have that in his arsenal. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jkearse123 Posted August 3, 2012 Share Posted August 3, 2012 I think when evaluating a player it's interesting to look back at what they were ranked as prospects.http://www.hockeysfuture.com/prospects/jakub_voracek/They have him as an 8.5 with a B probability of success. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phillygrump Posted August 8, 2012 Share Posted August 8, 2012 I hope he becomes an elite goal scorer but I don't set myself up for dissapointments..When you view things negatively and always set the bar low I guess its really difficult to ever be disappointed... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fanaticV3.0 Posted August 8, 2012 Share Posted August 8, 2012 By "moneyball" I mean finding players who are relatively underpaid for their production (as they did in Oakland). I know what you mean. I didn't misundertand what you meant by Moneyball. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fanaticV3.0 Posted August 8, 2012 Share Posted August 8, 2012 When you view things negatively and always set the bar low I guess its really difficult to ever be disappointed...Seriously, back the F off the guy. He's not negative because he doesn't think Voracek will be an elite goal scorer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
radoran Posted August 8, 2012 Share Posted August 8, 2012 I know what you mean. I didn't misundertand what you meant by Moneyball.But the point is not "players refusing to sign for less" but players who are going to be making less being put into positions to do more.something like this:http://espn.go.com/nhl/team/roster/_/name/phx/phoenix-coyotesThey got to a Conference Final last year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phillygrump Posted August 8, 2012 Share Posted August 8, 2012 Seriously, back the F off the guy. He's not negative because he doesn't think Voracek will be an elite goal scorer.No, he's negative in general. This is just the latest example. My point is that he always views things negatively. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fanaticV3.0 Posted August 13, 2012 Share Posted August 13, 2012 But the point is not "players refusing to sign for less" but players who are going to be making less being put into positions to do more.something like this:http://espn.go.com/n...phoenix-coyotesThey got to a Conference Final last year.Until those guys making less and doing more decided it's time they earn more. It'll find another way to break through. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
radoran Posted August 13, 2012 Share Posted August 13, 2012 Until those guys making less and doing more decided it's time they earn more. It'll find another way to break through.Well, right, it's a process. It's not being tied down to guys that you "have to sign" - it's having a continual run of players that you're always restocking.When guys get to the point that they decide they earn more, you trade them/their rights and continue to develop.I'll say it *didn't win* in Oakland and Phoenix *didn't win* the Cup last season.But one could argue that Phoenix, in terms of winning Cups, has as many as the high-spending, big-bucks FA Flyers... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fanaticV3.0 Posted August 21, 2012 Share Posted August 21, 2012 Well, right, it's a process. It's not being tied down to guys that you "have to sign" - it's having a continual run of players that you're always restocking.When guys get to the point that they decide they earn more, you trade them/their rights and continue to develop.I'll say it *didn't win* in Oakland and Phoenix *didn't win* the Cup last season.But one could argue that Phoenix, in terms of winning Cups, has as many as the high-spending, big-bucks FA Flyers...That's not a longterm solution though. Somebody needs to man up and set the tone. I don't absolve the owners; they are they ones who pay the contracts afterall. But there needs to be something from the players that shows they care about the sport and not just their paycheck.You could, yeah. But unless it was a league-wide (or at least majority of teams) philosophy, I don't know how much it matters. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jammer2 Posted August 22, 2012 Share Posted August 22, 2012 @fanaticV3.0 The owners just can't help themselves. It's like taking a wheelbarrel of choclate bars into a weight watchers meeting, turn out the lights and there will be wrappers on the floor and fat people with choclate smudges everywhere....it's inevitable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyerrod Posted August 22, 2012 Share Posted August 22, 2012 @fanaticV3.0 The owners just can't help themselves. It's like taking a wheelbarrel of choclate bars into a weight watchers meeting, turn out the lights and there will be wrappers on the floor and fat people with choclate smudges everywhere....it's inevitable.LMAO!!!!! Talk about the perfect analogy.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fanaticV3.0 Posted August 27, 2012 Share Posted August 27, 2012 @fanaticV3.0 The owners just can't help themselves. It's like taking a wheelbarrel of choclate bars into a weight watchers meeting, turn out the lights and there will be wrappers on the floor and fat people with choclate smudges everywhere....it's inevitable.Not bad. is how I always imagined the players during contract negotiations. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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