hf101 Posted October 28, 2013 Share Posted October 28, 2013 Vanek traded for Matt Moulson, the Islanders 2014 1st round pick and 2015 2nd round pick. Wow.... looks like another steal for the Sabres. However, an extension is not a part of the deal and Vanek still may choose Free Agency this summer. http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=435220 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ruxpin Posted October 28, 2013 Share Posted October 28, 2013 That is mind-boggling from the Isles point of view. First, I actually don't think it's that big an upgrade from Moulson to Vanek. The past couple years, their numbers are similar and Moulson is three years younger. Then you're adding a first and a second round pick to it? That's a horrible, HORRIBLE, deal even if Vanek is signing an extension with the Isles. If he's not, that might be the worst trade in the history of the NHL. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pegulaville26 Posted October 28, 2013 Share Posted October 28, 2013 I don't get this from a Islanders point of view. Vanek is pretty much going to Minnesota in July unless he's blown away by playing with Tavares. Also Moulson and Vanek are almost = in production. Then for the Sabres to get a 1st and 2nd is robbery. Not to mention if Moulson has no interest in an extension he can flipped for more picks/prospects at the deadline. Darcy saves his job again with a trade. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ruxpin Posted October 28, 2013 Share Posted October 28, 2013 I don't get this from a Islanders point of view. Vanek is pretty much going to Minnesota in July unless he's blown away by playing with Tavares. Also Moulson and Vanek are almost = in production. Then for the Sabres to get a 1st and 2nd is robbery. Not to mention if Moulson has no interest in an extension he can flipped for more picks/prospects at the deadline. Darcy saves his job again with a trade. Thank you. That's pretty much exactly how I see it. Somehow you were able to fit into about 70 less sentences, though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hf101 Posted October 28, 2013 Author Share Posted October 28, 2013 If I'm thinking this from Snow's POV, maybe he is disappointed in the start his team has this season. The team financially needs to make the playoffs. Sell the future to make that happen?? He could be thinking Vanek will provide more production than Moulson. And he also could be thinking that Vanek hasn't committed to anywhere next year. Grabner and Vanek are also both Austrians. Maybe for the right price Vanek will sign on the Island. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hf101 Posted October 28, 2013 Author Share Posted October 28, 2013 He will be with Minny by next year. He will not want to play for the Islanders. He is probably sick right now. Counting the days til summer when he can escape I have no way of knowing what "Vanek" really wants. He is also friends with Grabner. The Islanders will play in Brooklyn next year which will be much better than on the Island. And Tavares is a talented hockey player, Vanek never really had that "star" center in Buffalo, he may just like it there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyercanuck Posted October 28, 2013 Share Posted October 28, 2013 Strange deal. Can't see Vanek staying unless, as mentioned, he loves playing with Tavares (it could happen). Isles give up the guy who rides shotgun and 2 good picks? If they lose Vanek they've just taken a big step backwards. Maybe Snow is looking ahead....at Connor McDavid. Buffalo definately is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commander Clueless Posted October 28, 2013 Share Posted October 28, 2013 Weird one. I guess Snow was looking for a boost. I'm not surprised Buffalo moved Vanek, but I am a bit surprised they moved him now. I thought for sure we'd see a blockbuster deadline deal. An upgrade for the Isles, but at a steep price and risk I think. If they can't get Vanek signed this looks pretty bad going into the offseason (barring some miracle cup run of course). Solid return for Buffalo. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jammer2 Posted October 29, 2013 Share Posted October 29, 2013 A lot of people will look at Vanek's and Moulson's numbers and come up with the conclusion that they are basically equal. While that is true, there are some underlying factors. The stunning fact is, all of Moulson's goals (except for 2) in the last 2 years have come with Tavares on this ice. He's the kind of guy who really needs a star center to set him up. He rarely creates offense on his own, he is dependent on having an elite center to feed him the puck. Of course, he will be playing with Cody in Buffalo, who is young and getting better with each game, but he's no Tavares.....so I anticipate a drop in production when he hit's Buffalo. From a Islander perspective, John is not really a set up guy, he's a pure sniper, and Vanek's hockey sense should provide Tavares with a lot more scoring opportunities. Even though Vanek and Moulson have basically equal stats, Vanek can create more, has much better hockey sense and plays with a lot more of a physical edge than the rather soft Moulson could ever muster. Basically, the Islanders became tougher to play against with this trade. Even taking into account these factors, I'm still puzzled at the draft picks given up, especially the first rounder. It does not make much sense, seems to me, the Islanders could have done much better shopping Moulson and a first and a second as a package, perhaps even a legit goalie would be coming back, which they have not had in years and years. Of course, the real problem is the pending free agent status of Vanek, giving up all that and having him bolt would be catastrophic. I'm thinking Snow had initial talks with Vaneks agent before pulling the trigger, and I think he will be signing long term with the Isles. From a Sabres perspective, this is the type of deal I've been advocating for them for years now. They need to start a full rebuild, this trade looks like that has begun in earnest, which is a great thing for long suffering Sabres fans, who are among the most loyal group in the whole NHL. At least they have something to look forward now, some type of a plan seems to be forming. Now, they need to get maximum value for Miller, which may be tough. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
radoran Posted October 29, 2013 Share Posted October 29, 2013 Moulson two goals in his debut with the Sabres. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ruxpin Posted October 29, 2013 Share Posted October 29, 2013 Moulson two goals in his debut with the Sabres.That's impossible. He's gonna suck without Tavares. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
radoran Posted October 29, 2013 Share Posted October 29, 2013 That's impossible. He's gonna suck without Tavares. Sabres fans will tell you that Steve Bernier scored two in his debut and then one in the next 16 games. Fewer will know that Moulson has been a 30-goal scorer for the past four seasons while the only time Bernier scored more than 15 in a season is when he had his three goals for Buffalo. He finished with 16. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Digityman Posted October 29, 2013 Share Posted October 29, 2013 The team financially needs to make the playoffs. Sell the future to make that happen?? Isles have been collecting young talent for years now. From the stuff I've read, they have a bunch of young players just waiting to get a shot at the big club. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyercanuck Posted October 29, 2013 Share Posted October 29, 2013 @Digityman The trade is fine for the Isles IF Vanek signs with them. If he walks, they just threw away JTs best bud + 1st round pick + 2nd round pick. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FORBSY Posted October 29, 2013 Share Posted October 29, 2013 Moulson isn't re-signing with the Sabres & will be dealt at the deadline. So the Sabres will end up getting a 1st, 2nd (for Vanek) plus a somewhat similar return for Moulson. GREAT deal for the Sabres. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
State of Hockey Posted October 30, 2013 Share Posted October 30, 2013 He'll be in MN next year...I hope. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hf101 Posted October 30, 2013 Author Share Posted October 30, 2013 @State of Hockey WELCOME!!!!! Glad have more Wild conversation. I hope Vanek chooses Minny also next summer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jammer2 Posted October 30, 2013 Share Posted October 30, 2013 @State of Hockey Welcome! Very cool avatar. The Wild will be a fun team to watch going forward. Nice to see Granlund producing after a rough rookie year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
State of Hockey Posted October 30, 2013 Share Posted October 30, 2013 Thanks for the welcome. Yes I hope Vanek chooses us I think it is likely considering he lives here during the off season and has ties with Pommy. I'm definitely pleased with Granlunds play so far this season, hes more physical and is more comfortable getting into the dirty areas. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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