Digityman Posted October 30, 2015 Share Posted October 30, 2015 Flyers are still above .500. I believe everyone thought that's about where they would be this season. They won 2 or 3, they are going to lose 2 or 3. Just the way it is. I'm more focused on how they are developing and how/if real coaching is going to make a difference with the core players. On a different note, the lines need to be changed up. 89 Sam Gagner- 28 Claude Giroux - 93 Jakub Voracek24 Matt Read - 10 Brayden Schenn - 17 Wayne Simmonds20 R.J. Umberger - 21 Scott Laughton - 12 Michael Raffl 40 Vincent Lecavalier - 76 Chris VandeVelde - 25 Ryan White It's been said many times, but until the Flyers have a 1LW that can take pressure of Jake/Giroux they are going to struggle to produce. We've seen what Raffl can give and honestly, it's not his fault at all. He's just not a 1LW. It's time to give Gagner a chance at it. Not 1 game either. Let's give them 20-30 games to see what happens. More than likely he isn't the 1LW they need but he might flurish even more being paired with those two and the result would be a better player or a better trade chip. When Couturier and Bellemare return to the lineup, the lines would look like this: 89 Sam Gagner - 28 Claude Giroux - 93 Jakub Voracek10 Brayden Schenn - 14 Sean Couturier - 17 Wayne Simmonds24 Matt Read - 21 Scott Laughton - 12 Michael Raffl 78 Pierre Bellamare - 76 Chris VandeVelde - 25 Ryan White [20 R.J. Umberger], [40 Vincent Lecavalier] This gets most of the forwards in the correct positions except for Gagner (who I don't believe is a 1LW or 2LW unless he gets to prove otherwise) and B.Schenn.Then, Hexy needs to make the following happen for next year: True 1LW - 28 Claude Giroux - 93 Jakub VoracekTrue 2LW - 14 Sean Couturier - 17 Wayne Simmonds24 Matt Read - 21 Scott Laughton - 3RW78 Pierre Bellamare - 76 Chris VandeVelde - 25 Ryan White 1LW Hexy will have to trade for. B.Schenn is the key piece of the trade and maybe Gagner also (see above).2LW could be Matt Read (as a stop gap) but I believe he is better as on a shut down line. Taylor Leier is a possibilty but he'd have to make a big leap this summer.3RW could be Travis Konecny or someone from the phantoms. The defense speaks for itself and will only take time for it to shake into one of the best in the league. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OccamsRazor Posted October 30, 2015 Share Posted October 30, 2015 Flyers are still above .500. I believe everyone thought that's about where they would be this season. They won 2 or 3, they are going to lose 2 or 3. Just the way it is. I'm more focused on how they are developing and how/if real coaching is going to make a difference with the core players. On a different note, the lines need to be changed up. 89 Sam Gagner- 28 Claude Giroux - 93 Jakub Voracek24 Matt Read - 10 Brayden Schenn - 17 Wayne Simmonds20 R.J. Umberger - 21 Scott Laughton - 12 Michael Raffl 40 Vincent Lecavalier - 76 Chris VandeVelde - 25 Ryan White It's been said many times, but until the Flyers have a 1LW that can take pressure of Jake/Giroux they are going to struggle to produce. We've seen what Raffl can give and honestly, it's not his fault at all. He's just not a 1LW. It's time to give Gagner a chance at it. Not 1 game either. Let's give them 20-30 games to see what happens. More than likely he isn't the 1LW they need but he might flurish even more being paired with those two and the result would be a better player or a better trade chip. When Couturier and Bellemare return to the lineup, the lines would look like this: 89 Sam Gagner - 28 Claude Giroux - 93 Jakub Voracek10 Brayden Schenn - 14 Sean Couturier - 17 Wayne Simmonds24 Matt Read - 21 Scott Laughton - 12 Michael Raffl 78 Pierre Bellamare - 76 Chris VandeVelde - 25 Ryan White [20 R.J. Umberger], [40 Vincent Lecavalier] This gets most of the forwards in the correct positions except for Gagner (who I don't believe is a 1LW or 2LW unless he gets to prove otherwise) and B.Schenn.Then, Hexy needs to make the following happen for next year: True 1LW - 28 Claude Giroux - 93 Jakub VoracekTrue 2LW - 14 Sean Couturier - 17 Wayne Simmonds24 Matt Read - 21 Scott Laughton - 3RW78 Pierre Bellamare - 76 Chris VandeVelde - 25 Ryan White 1LW Hexy will have to trade for. B.Schenn is the key piece of the trade and maybe Gagner also (see above).2LW could be Matt Read (as a stop gap) but I believe he is better as on a shut down line. Taylor Leier is a possibilty but he'd have to make a big leap this summer.3RW could be Travis Konecny or someone from the phantoms. The defense speaks for itself and will only take time for it to shake into one of the best in the league. Great post. At this point i agree let's try it. Nothing ventured nothing gained. Someone will have to go in a trade for a #1 LW for sure. Like the package of the Schenn's (Brayden actually leading the team in goals) and maybe even Gagner.....to say a Winnepeg (just throwing that out there for example) they could use 3 roster players for 1 back in return sure it's a lot but you have to give to get. Nikolaj Ehlers would be a sweet target. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
radoran Posted October 30, 2015 Share Posted October 30, 2015 Someone will have to go in a trade for a #1 LW for sure. If you had a top line LW is there someone on this team you would give him up for? And let's not say "Luke Schenn" or "RJ Umburglar" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OccamsRazor Posted October 30, 2015 Share Posted October 30, 2015 If you had a top line LW is there someone on this team you would give him up for? Yes but it wouldn't be a one for one swap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Digityman Posted October 30, 2015 Author Share Posted October 30, 2015 If you had a top line LW is there someone on this team you would give him up for? And let's not say "Luke Schenn" or "RJ Umburglar" B. Schenn, Gagner, Read, 1 of Ghost, Alt or Hagg. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
radoran Posted October 30, 2015 Share Posted October 30, 2015 Yes but it wouldn't be a one for one swap. Are there two players on this team you would give him up for? Player and picks? Prospect, player and picks? I'm thinking prospect and picks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OccamsRazor Posted October 30, 2015 Share Posted October 30, 2015 Are there two players on this team you would give him up for? Player and picks? Prospect, player and picks? I'm thinking prospect and picks. Yes it's going to cost. I'm not saying it won't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
radoran Posted October 30, 2015 Share Posted October 30, 2015 B. Schenn, Gagner, Read, 1 of Ghost, Alt or Hagg. All of them? Let's look at the top point scoring LWs from last season BennOverchkinSedinFolignoNashPaciorettyZetterbergGaudreauSteenForsbergPalatSchwartzPariseLaddHartnellLandeskogMarleuJVRTatarTanguayHuberdeauVanekHoffmanJohanssonKreiderLucicAbdelkaderJokinenSharpHenrique Do you think that RFA Schenn + UFA Gagner + Read + Ghost/Alt/Hagg gets you close to any of them? 'cause I don't. Well, OK, maybe a Vanek or a Tanguay or a Lucic... Just for the record, IMO in a trade Alt ain't worth the pixels it took to have his name on your screen and Ghost/Hagg are both 100% unproven. I just don't see anybody giving up a significant LW player or prospect for that. Happy to be wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
radoran Posted October 30, 2015 Share Posted October 30, 2015 Yes it's going to cost. I'm not saying it won't. I just listed the top thirty-one LWs in scoring in the league last year. Who's available out of that? I really don't know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OccamsRazor Posted October 30, 2015 Share Posted October 30, 2015 Do you think that RFA Schenn + UFA Gagner + Read + Ghost/Alt/Hagg gets you close to any of them? Yes...but. Let me research this a little more because i was thinking young on the cusp of breaking out type LW. I will get back in a minute. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OccamsRazor Posted October 30, 2015 Share Posted October 30, 2015 I just listed the top thirty-one LWs in scoring in the league last year. Who's available out of that? I really don't know. Ok three young guys i was considering was Kevin Fiala, Nick Ritchie or Nikolaj Ehlers (my 1st choice). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
icehole Posted October 30, 2015 Share Posted October 30, 2015 Flyers are still above .500. I believe everyone thought that's about where they would be this season. They won 2 or 3, they are going to lose 2 or 3. Just the way it is. I'm more focused on how they are developing and how/if real coaching is going to make a difference with the core players. On a different note, the lines need to be changed up.89 Sam Gagner- 28 Claude Giroux - 93 Jakub Voracek24 Matt Read - 10 Brayden Schenn - 17 Wayne Simmonds20 R.J. Umberger - 21 Scott Laughton - 12 Michael Raffl 40 Vincent Lecavalier - 76 Chris VandeVelde - 25 Ryan WhiteIt's been said many times, but until the Flyers have a 1LW that can take pressure of Jake/Giroux they are going to struggle to produce. We've seen what Raffl can give and honestly, it's not his fault at all. He's just not a 1LW. It's time to give Gagner a chance at it. Not 1 game either. Let's give them 20-30 games to see what happens. More than likely he isn't the 1LW they need but he might flurish even more being paired with those two and the result would be a better player or a better trade chip.When Couturier and Bellemare return to the lineup, the lines would look like this:89 Sam Gagner - 28 Claude Giroux - 93 Jakub Voracek10 Brayden Schenn - 14 Sean Couturier - 17 Wayne Simmonds24 Matt Read - 21 Scott Laughton - 12 Michael Raffl 78 Pierre Bellamare - 76 Chris VandeVelde - 25 Ryan White[20 R.J. Umberger], [40 Vincent Lecavalier]This gets most of the forwards in the correct positions except for Gagner (who I don't believe is a 1LW or 2LW unless he gets to prove otherwise) and B.Schenn.Then, Hexy needs to make the following happen for next year:True 1LW - 28 Claude Giroux - 93 Jakub VoracekTrue 2LW - 14 Sean Couturier - 17 Wayne Simmonds24 Matt Read - 21 Scott Laughton - 3RW78 Pierre Bellamare - 76 Chris VandeVelde - 25 Ryan White1LW Hexy will have to trade for. B.Schenn is the key piece of the trade and maybe Gagner also (see above).2LW could be Matt Read (as a stop gap) but I believe he is better as on a shut down line. Taylor Leier is a possibilty but he'd have to make a big leap this summer.3RW could be Travis Konecny or someone from the phantoms. The defense speaks for itself and will only take time for it to shake into one of the best in the league.I've been thinking about gagne up on the first line. They've been experimenting with read but I think gagne has more skill. Is that a good fit though? Is that too much of the same thing on one line? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OccamsRazor Posted October 30, 2015 Share Posted October 30, 2015 . They've been experimenting with read but I think gagne has more skill. Not sure if he has more skill but i think he is a better finisher....which is just what the 1st line needs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJgoal Posted October 30, 2015 Share Posted October 30, 2015 All this is predicated on Giroux and Voracek needing to play together. IMO, you already have that scoring winger Giroux needs. He's just on the right side - Simmonds. There is very little difference between Simmonds and Hartnell that I see. Simmonds will give his linemates time and space the way Hartnell did. Put Gagner on the left. Simmonds on the right. Drop Voracek a line. Play him with Laughton and Schenn. Put Couturier with Read and Umberger. Before we go trading a bunch of pieces because we are so locked into playing two of our players together, why not see if they can play better apart? Or try your #1 goal scorer Schenn up on that line. Also, I HATE the idea of Gagner with Giroux and Jake. Yeah, he's got a couple nice goals, but he's another guy that likes to pass. He's 14th on the team in shots - the only forwards with fewer are Couturier and Lecavalier. I'd play him with one or the other, but not both. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhilsFanDrew Posted October 30, 2015 Share Posted October 30, 2015 If you had a top line LW is there someone on this team you would give him up for? And let's not say "Luke Schenn" or "RJ Umburglar" Would a package of Simmonds and one of the D prospects get it done? The only concern there would be the money because Simmonds doesn't make a ton but I think that could be a framework of where to start negotiations. I was thinking maybe somone like Jeff Skinner? Still young, has scored 30+ goals and is speedy enough to keep up with G and Jake. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
radoran Posted October 30, 2015 Share Posted October 30, 2015 Ok three young guys i was considering was Kevin Fiala, Nick Ritchie or Nikolaj Ehlers (my 1st choice). If you can get NAS, ANA or WPG to give up a promising young LW for something like Schenn+Gagner/Read+Alt/Ghost/Hagg I would do it realquick. On the flip side, if the Flyers were on the "give up" side of that equation, I might have an anuerysm... I'd even consider throwing in a 1st with it (unless there's some similar LW in Junior that might be available in the 7-13 range). I've been thinking about gagne up on the first line. They've been experimenting with read but I think gagne has more skill. Is that a good fit though? Is that too much of the same thing on one line? I honestly don't know why they haven't tried this already. It would have been one of the first things I did as a new coach with this roster. Maybe they're afraid Raffl doesn't fit elsewhere? Seriously spitballing... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
radoran Posted October 30, 2015 Share Posted October 30, 2015 89 Sam Gagner - 28 Claude Giroux - 93 Jakub Voracek10 Brayden Schenn - 14 Sean Couturier - 17 Wayne Simmonds I don't know about those lines, but I might take a look at 89 Sam Gagner - 28 Claude Giroux - 17 Wayne Simmonds10 Brayden Schenn - 14 Sean Couturier - 93 Jakub Voracek Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJgoal Posted October 30, 2015 Share Posted October 30, 2015 I don't know about those lines, but I might take a look at 89 Sam Gagner - 28 Claude Giroux - 17 Wayne Simmonds10 Brayden Schenn - 14 Sean Couturier - 93 Jakub Voracek I hate it when you and I are somewhere close to being on the same page. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OccamsRazor Posted October 30, 2015 Share Posted October 30, 2015 On the flip side, if the Flyers were on the "give up" side of that equation, I might have an anuerysm... This is true...but you have to give to get. They would just have to do their research because a move like that has to work...has too. It's why i think Nikolaj Ehlers is the choice of the closest to can't miss guys. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Samifan Posted October 30, 2015 Share Posted October 30, 2015 I don't know about those lines, but I might take a look at 89 Sam Gagner - 28 Claude Giroux - 17 Wayne Simmonds10 Brayden Schenn - 14 Sean Couturier - 93 Jakub Voracek Like the look of those two lines once Coots is healthy. G and Jake need to be split up, at least for a while. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJgoal Posted October 30, 2015 Share Posted October 30, 2015 Gagner, by the way, is a sub-10% shooter over his career. That number doesn't tend to wander very much from the mean, so we can expect it to come down from the 20% it's currently sitting at for this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
radoran Posted October 30, 2015 Share Posted October 30, 2015 I hate it when you and I are somewhere close to being on the same page.Fools seldom differ. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OccamsRazor Posted October 30, 2015 Share Posted October 30, 2015 If you can get NAS, ANA or WPG to give up a promising young LW for something like Schenn+Gagner/Read+Alt/Ghost/Hagg I would do it realquick. It's a hard one to answer. Nikolaj Ehlers would probably be the hardest to get because he has already played 10 games (4 gls 4 asts) burning a year on his ELC so they obviously think a lot of him to do that. Fiala is in the AHL and at worst if he was to stay there his contract will slide another year. Richie is trickier he is in the AHL as well and turns 20 in december. And is more along the lines of a power forward not a finisher G and Jake need but he couldn't hurt! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OccamsRazor Posted October 30, 2015 Share Posted October 30, 2015 20% it's currently sitting at for this year. However the Schenns are firing at a 25% clip....so we can label them snipers now!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
radoran Posted October 30, 2015 Share Posted October 30, 2015 This is true...but you have to give to get. Yeah, I meant if the Flyers were giving up the promising young LW to get Schenn/Read/Alt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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