Who do we draft ?

[Jam1986]

Just wondering and  know it is  a few months away but  who do we draft? You guys who  have more info on this lets us know who your choices are. I Like Brown and Jones.

[fishbulb]

Looks like we're 18th overall...   I think the obvious way they go is the biggest/most offensive/quick player in that range.

 

 16. (9) Kieffer Bellows, LW, USNTDP (USHL), 6-0, 189 lb. A pure sniper. He shoots from everywhere and is selfish

in the way great goal-scorers need to be.

 

13. (17) Max Jones, LW, London (OHL), 6-2, 189 lb. His father, Brad, played in NHL. His mother, Mary, was a standout diver at University of Michigan. And brother Mitch plays in ECHL. 

 

21. (22) Logan Brown, C, Windsor (OHL), 6-6, 215 lb. Has good vision, thinks the game well and creates chances for teammates. Still growing, much to his chagrin.

 

14. (13) Tyson Jost, C, Penticton (BCJHL), 6-0, 195 lb. Fabulous year with the Vees, 91 points in 43 games. Imagine Everett if both he and Auston Matthews had reported.

[flyercanuck]

I doubt Jost makes it that far down. Bellows would be nice...Rubstov or whatever his name is sounds like a riser. If Fabbro falls, do we take another Dman?

[AJgoal]

Flyers pick 17th. They have an extra 2nd (52 overall), an extra 3rd (79th), and an extra 6th (169). They also have two extra thirds in 2017. All told, here are their picks (not based on anything official, but this is how things should shake out with both LA and Chicago eliminated):

 

1st: 17

2nd: 47, 52

3rd: 77, 79

4th: 107

5th: 137

6th: 167, 169

7th: 197

 

They could stand pat at 17, or they could potentially package #17 and Chicago's pick, #52, to move up into the 13-14 range (Based on the research here, which is admittedly a couple years dated). They could conceivably move to around 10 by packaging #17, #47, and one of their thirds. Given the fact that Hextall has amassed a good number of picks over the last few years, and some moveable pieces like Weal, I'd be ok with them trading a couple (preferably keeping at least one pick in each round) to move up for an impact player.

[Bertmega]

I think Weal, our 1st and a 3rd should get Toronto interested in giving the Flyers the 1st  <---- that is almost a ninja. 

 

Seriously though, if getting to 1st was the intent, who would you package to do so? 

 

 

[radoran]

1 hour ago, AJgoal said:

Flyers pick 17th. They have an extra 2nd (52 overall)

 

An "extra" second!?!? You mean there's a second round!?!?

 

Bizarroland, population: us

 

 

16 minutes ago, Bertmega said:

I think Weal, our 1st and a 3rd should get Toronto interested in giving the Flyers the 1st  <---- that is almost a ninja. 

 

Seriously though, if getting to 1st was the intent, who would you package to do so? 

 

If I'm Tronno, I'm thinking Provorov (or maybe Sanheim), Konecny, this year's first and next year's first.

 

For starters.

 

I don't see Tronno dealing that pick.

[Bertmega]

Regarding the OP's original question, I think they continue the BPA approach, but I'd love to see a forward that is NHL ready. Kind of like a Simon Gagne or Justin WIlliams type, but I know that goes against Hextall's development approach. From what I have seen, I like Jost and think he may be the most NHL ready, but I think he committed to school next years, so there's that. In any case, they'll probably have to trade down to around 12-13 to get their man. 

 

I hate to be the impatient type, but let's face it, this team has been dangling with a rebuild since 2012 and they have to start showing what's stored in the cupboard before the town folks burn the WF Center down. 

[Bertmega]

3 minutes ago, radoran said:

 

An "extra" second!?!? You mean there's a second round!?!?

 

Bizarroland, population: us

 

 

 

If I'm Tronno, I'm thinking Provorov (or maybe Sanheim), Konecny, this year's first and next year's first.

 

For starters.

 

I don't see Tronno dealing that pick.

Wow that is a haul. Good news folks, Howie Roseman is not the GM of the the Flyers lol

[radoran]

Just now, Bertmega said:

Wow that is a haul.

 

I don't think it's asking too too much from Tronno's standpoint.

 

I think it's something that the Flyers wouldn't even begin to entertain.

 

Just now, Bertmega said:

Good news folks, Howie Roseman is not the GM of the the Flyers lol

 

Neither is Homer

[AJgoal]

I don't think getting into the top 5 is possible. getting into the 8-12 range should be doable, though, if Hextall wants to go that route. Also depends on what he's willing to move. If MDZ or one of the forwards, or even one of the tenders, things could get interesting.

[flyercanuck]

4 minutes ago, Bertmega said:

Regarding the OP's original question, I think they continue the BPA approach, but I'd love to see a forward that is NHL ready. Kind of like a Simon Gagne or Justin WIlliams type, but I know that goes against Hextall's development approach. From what I have seen, I like Jost and think he may be the most NHL ready, but I think he committed to school next years, so there's that. In any case, they'll probably have to trade down to around 12-13 to get their man. 

 

I hate to be the impatient type, but let's face it, this team has been dangling with a rebuild since 2012 and they have to start showing what's stored in the cupboard before the town folks burn the WF Center down. 

 

Didn't they unexpectedly make the playoffs this year?

[Bertmega]

1 minute ago, flyercanuck said:

 

Didn't they unexpectedly make the playoffs this year?

I know what you are saying, but it's time to see some of the future is all I am getting at. Not expecting too much, a game or two would be nice. Anything is better than Umberger, Read and MacDonald. 

[murraycraven]

7 minutes ago, Bertmega said:

I know what you are saying, but it's time to see some of the future is all I am getting at. Not expecting too much, a game or two would be nice. Anything is better than Umberger, Read and MacDonald. 

 

 

even more when you consider we are spending 13.2M on those guys... ugh...

[radoran]

16 minutes ago, AJgoal said:

I don't think getting into the top 5 is possible. getting into the 8-12 range should be doable, though, if Hextall wants to go that route. Also depends on what he's willing to move. If MDZ or one of the forwards, or even one of the tenders, things could get interesting.

 

I think if you wanted to flip a MDZ, this year's first and a third you might pry #4 out of Edmonton?

 

I think the question then is: what are they getting at four?

[AJgoal]

Just now, radoran said:

 

I think if you wanted to flip a MDZ, this year's first and a third you might pry #4 out of Edmonton?

 

I think the question then is: what are they getting at four?

 

I think that #4 might go for Hamonic. It'd be a hell of a deal for the Isles. But if the Isles don't move Hamonic? Maybe. Odds would be a bit better with a 2nd instead of a third. But it's really hard to judge player values in draft day trades.

 

If they did go to #4? Dubois or Tkatchuk. I know @flyercanuck would prefer Dubois. I don't know enough about either to have an informed opinion.

[MaineFlyFan]

18 minutes ago, murraycraven said:

 

 

even more when you consider we are spending 13.2M on those guys... ugh...

Oh god, you just ruined my morning with that stat......ugh indeed.

 

So whats the deal with Read....mis-used or not panning out? I think we've seen what Mr. Read has to offer.

[radoran]

2 minutes ago, AJgoal said:

I think that #4 might go for Hamonic. It'd be a hell of a deal for the Isles. But if the Isles don't move Hamonic? Maybe. Odds would be a bit better with a 2nd instead of a third. But it's really hard to judge player values in draft day trades.

 

If they did go to #4? Dubois or Tkatchuk. I know @flyercanuck would prefer Dubois. I don't know enough about either to have an informed opinion.

 

Yeah, could be a second - was kinda throwing out a "start of discussion" trade option.

 

I guess the Oil could prefer Hamonic (who wears 3 for the Holy Trinity) as opposed to del Zotto (who has three pornstars on speed dial )

 

Do you think they go straight up for Hamonic??

 

[Bertmega]

1 minute ago, MaineFlyFan said:

Oh god, you just ruined my morning with that stat......ugh indeed.

 

So whats the deal with Read....mis-used or not panning out? I think we've seen what Mr. Read has to offer.

I have to agree that we have seen the best out of him. He'll be 30 this summer, so I do not see any sort of Renaissance in his career. I would like to see him dealt for a 3rd or 4th. Not that I do not like him, I would just rather see some youth plugged into his spot for a lot less $$$.

[AJgoal]

Just now, radoran said:

 

Yeah, could be a second - was kinda throwing out a "start of discussion" trade option.

 

I guess the Oil could prefer Hamonic (who wears 3 for the Holy Trinity) as opposed to del Zotto (who has three pornstars on speed dial )

 

Do you think they go straight up for Hamonic??

 

 

Probably not. Hamonic and the Isles 1st? and a 3rd? Depends on Hamonic's value to the Oilers (should be pretty high).

[radoran]

3 minutes ago, AJgoal said:

 

Probably not. Hamonic and the Isles 1st? and a 3rd? Depends on Hamonic's value to the Oilers (should be pretty high).

 

Hamonic's also under contract at a reasonable number for four more years where del Zotto is up after next season (at roughly the same number).

 

 

[AJgoal]

4 minutes ago, radoran said:

 

Hamonic's also under contract at a reasonable number for four more years where del Zotto is up after next season (at roughly the same number).

 

 

 

Hamonic is also a right-handed shot.

[peter puck]

Julien Gauthier Rw. 6-4. 225

[flyercanuck]

31 minutes ago, peter puck said:

Julien Gauthier Rw. 6-4. 225

 

And soft as butter. 

[peter puck]

2 hours ago, flyercanuck said:

 

And soft as butter. 

 

An explosive power forward who boasts an elite-level skill package. Takes nothing for granted and plays with hard-nosed work ethic. Tremendous vision and outstanding hockey sense; thrives under pressure and doesn't stray from the high-percentage play. Willingness to play physical and win battles in his own end makes him a vital asset, stepping up at the game's key moments. Exceptional skating ability allows him to stay with, if not ahead, of each unfolding play. Refined puckhandling skills allow him to maintain puck control at breakneck speeds. All-in-all, a prolific scorer whose attitude and innate abilities will constantly propel him into dominance. (Curtis Joe, EP 2016) 

Julien Gauthier has drawn well-deserved comparisons to current NHLer Rick Nash. He has an imposing frame, dazzling puck skills, and the drive to win. Learns from his past mistakes and implements new strategies to counteract them. [EliteProspects 2016] - See more at: http://www.eliteprospects.com/player.php?player=213464#sthash.VsUpamC6.dpuf

 

if you seen him play I will take your word on it

[flyercanuck]

3 hours ago, peter puck said:

 

An explosive power forward who boasts an elite-level skill package. Takes nothing for granted and plays with hard-nosed work ethic. Tremendous vision and outstanding hockey sense; thrives under pressure and doesn't stray from the high-percentage play. Willingness to play physical and win battles in his own end makes him a vital asset, stepping up at the game's key moments. Exceptional skating ability allows him to stay with, if not ahead, of each unfolding play. Refined puckhandling skills allow him to maintain puck control at breakneck speeds. All-in-all, a prolific scorer whose attitude and innate abilities will constantly propel him into dominance. (Curtis Joe, EP 2016) 

Julien Gauthier has drawn well-deserved comparisons to current NHLer Rick Nash. He has an imposing frame, dazzling puck skills, and the drive to win. Learns from his past mistakes and implements new strategies to counteract them. [EliteProspects 2016] - See more at: http://www.eliteprospects.com/player.php?player=213464#sthash.VsUpamC6.dpuf

 

if you seen him play I will take your word on it

 

 

I've read all that before about him.

 

Earlier in the year he was easily a top ten prospect...even closer to top five. But his lack of physical play (people see his size and want him to be physical ) has made his stock drop. If he was what those write-ups say, wouldn't he be up there with the Tkachuks and Dubois' instead of in the 15-20 range? He started this past season on fire, scoring at a goal a game clip. He barely finished with a ppg. His size and age (one of the oldest in the draft) obviously benefited him in the Q. He has speed but he's not quick., 

 

  Rick Nash? He went 1st overall.

 

Honestly, at where we're picking, he might be worth a shot. But he looks like a poor mans version of JVR.