OccamsRazor Posted January 29, 2019 Share Posted January 29, 2019 10 minutes ago, brelic said: Ghost, Voracek, next year's 1st, this year's 2nd for Pietrangelo and Tarasenko. I would do that. But you might have to throw a prospect still in there. Ghost, Voracek, next year's 1st, this year's 2nd and NAK for Pietrangelo and Tarasenko. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brelic Posted January 29, 2019 Share Posted January 29, 2019 18 minutes ago, mojo1917 said: I think maybe your trade works if the Flyers add a prospect ? Peitrangelo is the best player in the deal, but Ghost is damn good and so is Voracek, from a change things up perspective it is intriguing, what would compel St Louis to make that deal though ? I guess, as you say, to change things up? Why have both AP and VT been rumoured in trades? I'm guessing STL wants to shake up the core, and the Flyers want to do the same. Not sure we'd be the best trading partners, but the salaries are a wash, the Blues get a 1st rounder, and dont' have to worry about resigning AP after next season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ruxpin Posted January 29, 2019 Share Posted January 29, 2019 1 hour ago, Podein25 said: Did the Jets see enough guys stuff from Simmer last night? Pervs! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ruxpin Posted January 29, 2019 Share Posted January 29, 2019 15 minutes ago, OccamsRazor said: I would do that. But you might have to throw a prospect still in there. Ghost, Voracek, next year's 1st, this year's 2nd and NAK for Pietrangelo and Tarasenko. No thank you. I wouldn't have done @brelic's version either. Holmgren, get off OR's computer. You're not fooling anyone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OccamsRazor Posted January 29, 2019 Share Posted January 29, 2019 2 minutes ago, ruxpin said: No thank you. I wouldn't have done @brelic's version either. Holmgren, get off OR's computer. You're not fooling anyone. What?? I would love to hear why? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Podein25 Posted January 29, 2019 Share Posted January 29, 2019 15 minutes ago, ruxpin said: Pervs! Lol, I was posting from my phone on the bus and didn't see the auto correct. "Good stuff" So, did they? How did #17 play? I missed the whole game pretty much.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mojo1917 Posted January 29, 2019 Share Posted January 29, 2019 3 minutes ago, Podein25 said: So, did they? How did #17 play? I missed the whole game pretty much.. This line of Patrick, Simmonds and Laughton...is pretty decent. Those guys battled, and they cycled the Jets pretty hard especially from the end of the 1st to the end of the game. There weren't a ton of chances generated but there was enough for me to think that group was pretty effective. They were hard to play against especially through the NZ. I don't think Simmonds was ZOMG ! we've gotta have him good, but that line most resembled a Jets style line and like I said they were pretty fun to watch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ruxpin Posted January 29, 2019 Share Posted January 29, 2019 28 minutes ago, Podein25 said: Lol, I was posting from my phone on the bus and didn't see the auto correct. "Good stuff" So, did they? How did #17 play? I missed the whole game pretty much.. Wait. You of all people missed a game between the Flyers and the Jets? That makes me sad. I didn't see it because I was driving (shocker). But on the radio he sounded like he had a decent game, though several unforced turnovers. Keep in mind that Steve Coates is on the radio so there's no telling how many he'd imbibed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ruxpin Posted January 29, 2019 Share Posted January 29, 2019 19 minutes ago, mojo1917 said: This line of Patrick, Simmonds and Laughton...is pretty decent. Those guys battled, and they cycled the Jets pretty hard especially from the end of the 1st to the end of the game. There weren't a ton of chances generated but there was enough for me to think that group was pretty effective. They were hard to play against especially through the NZ. I don't think Simmonds was ZOMG ! we've gotta have him good, but that line most resembled a Jets style line and like I said they were pretty fun to watch. Yeah. I agree. The only caveat being that Patrick has to stop with the stupid penalties. And a shooter tutor could be helpful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Podein25 Posted January 29, 2019 Share Posted January 29, 2019 12 minutes ago, ruxpin said: Wait. You of all people missed a game between the Flyers and the Jets? That makes me sad. Right? I had a good excuse at least. It's not like I was watching curling instead of Flyers vs Jets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ruxpin Posted January 29, 2019 Share Posted January 29, 2019 49 minutes ago, ruxpin said: Ghost, Voracek, next year's 1st, this year's 2nd and NAK for Pietrangelo and Tarasenko. @OccamsRazor This is a gross overpayment. They're already getting younger from Pietr to Ghost and a more manageable salary. Voracek is two years older but actually has more points than Tarasenko over the last three seasons. I realize Tarasenko is more of a shooter and scores more. Tarasenko makes a little less than Voracek, but that difference is offset by Pietrangelo's cap hit vs Ghost's (and the fact Ghost is signed for awhile at a very manageable amount). The package just does not justify the picks and prospect. At all. Objectively, it's a wash. Given that Armstrong gave up a first round pick for fricken Brayden Schenn, the picks should be coming the opposite way (kidding on this part. Or am I?) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mojo1917 Posted January 29, 2019 Share Posted January 29, 2019 36 minutes ago, ruxpin said: The only caveat being that Patrick has to stop with the stupid penalties. Well the "slash" was simply a case of him being bigger and stronger than the player he was separating from the puck. In a game where the refs did a decent job "letting them play" i thought that call was weak, Jonesy on the replay was " well you see X's stick being removed from his hands and that's enough i guess" . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Podein25 Posted January 29, 2019 Share Posted January 29, 2019 14 minutes ago, mojo1917 said: Well the "slash" was simply a case of him being bigger and stronger than the player he was separating from the puck. In a game where the refs did a decent job "letting them play" i thought that call was weak, Jonesy on the replay was " well you see X's stick being removed from his hands and that's enough i guess" . Yeah, that's today's reffing summed up: see a stick fall out of buddy's hands, it's a slash. Never mind that for 100+ years the game of hockey has allowed you to check the other player's stick as the principal means of getting, you know, the friggin' puck!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brelic Posted January 29, 2019 Share Posted January 29, 2019 54 minutes ago, ruxpin said: @OccamsRazor This is a gross overpayment. They're already getting younger from Pietr to Ghost and a more manageable salary. Voracek is two years older but actually has more points than Tarasenko over the last three seasons. I realize Tarasenko is more of a shooter and scores more. Tarasenko makes a little less than Voracek, but that difference is offset by Pietrangelo's cap hit vs Ghost's (and the fact Ghost is signed for awhile at a very manageable amount). The package just does not justify the picks and prospect. At all. Objectively, it's a wash. Given that Armstrong gave up a first round pick for fricken Brayden Schenn, the picks should be coming the opposite way (kidding on this part. Or am I?) The reason I initially included picks is because Ghost is a one-dimensional defenseman. So although he's got a very friendly deal and it plugs a hole left by AP, he's really a 2nd pairing guy and PP specialist (this year notwithstanding). And Tarasenko is younger. So maybe Ghost, VOracek and next year's 1st is enough? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pilldoc Posted January 29, 2019 Share Posted January 29, 2019 2 hours ago, OccamsRazor said: HELLLLLLLLNO!!!!!!!!! I would be sticking him too with you!!!!!!! You forgot the tar and feathers... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OccamsRazor Posted January 29, 2019 Share Posted January 29, 2019 57 minutes ago, ruxpin said: @OccamsRazor This is a gross overpayment. They're already getting younger from Pietr to Ghost and a more manageable salary. Voracek is two years older but actually has more points than Tarasenko over the last three seasons. I realize Tarasenko is more of a shooter and scores more. Tarasenko makes a little less than Voracek, but that difference is offset by Pietrangelo's cap hit vs Ghost's (and the fact Ghost is signed for awhile at a very manageable amount). The package just does not justify the picks and prospect. At all. Objectively, it's a wash. Given that Armstrong gave up a first round pick for fricken Brayden Schenn, the picks should be coming the opposite way (kidding on this part. Or am I?) Ok so let's hear your proposal for these two then. I will respond more once I get back home from the gym. Or are you saying you don't want to trade for these two regardless? Asking for a friend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ruxpin Posted January 29, 2019 Share Posted January 29, 2019 1 minute ago, brelic said: The reason I initially included picks is because Ghost is a one-dimensional defenseman. So although he's got a very friendly deal and it plugs a hole left by AP, he's really a 2nd pairing guy and PP specialist (this year notwithstanding). And Tarasenko is younger. So maybe Ghost, VOracek and next year's 1st is enough? I honestly don't think any first rounder would be necessary. I'm no fan of Shattenkirk (at all), but I'm struggling to think what Pietrangelo has actually done since Shatty is gone. I'd think about the deal straight up. They're not getting any picks higher than a 3rd round, and I'm only doing that begrudgingly. I think we have proximity bias. Negative in proximity and exaggerated at a distance. I'm no fan of Voracek and think he's dumber than Frosted Mini Crap. But objectively, I don't think Pietr/Tarasenko for Ghost/Voracek warrants picks involved. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ruxpin Posted January 29, 2019 Share Posted January 29, 2019 2 minutes ago, OccamsRazor said: Ok so let's hear your proposal for these two then. I will respond more once I get back home from the gym. Or are you saying you don't want to trade for these two regardless? Asking for a friend. No, I'm clearly saying the picks/prospect is gross over-payment. Straight up. Ghost/Voracek for Pietr/Tarasenko. If I absolutely must, I throw in a 3rd round pick, but more than likely I walk away if they don't want to do it without picks. Because what, exactly, have Pietr and Tarasenko done in St. Louis that Ghost and Voracek haven't done here? Asking for a friend. Seriously, I'm not against it straight up. It shakes up both squads, which is seemingly what each front office is looking to do. But there's really no need for the picks. All things considered, it's a fairly even swap. And certainly not a gap that requires adding a first, second, and potential NHL-level prospect to it. Or even just a first. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Podein25 Posted January 29, 2019 Share Posted January 29, 2019 15 minutes ago, OccamsRazor said: Asking for a friend. 5 minutes ago, ruxpin said: Asking for a friend. You guys have more friends than me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ruxpin Posted January 29, 2019 Share Posted January 29, 2019 5 minutes ago, Podein25 said: You guys have more friends than me. I only have a friend if I hold my hand in front of a light just right and look on the wall. So, my friend is a rabbit. Don't judge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Podein25 Posted January 29, 2019 Share Posted January 29, 2019 1 minute ago, ruxpin said: I only have a friend if I hold my hand in front of a light just right and look on the wall. So, my friend is a rabbit. Don't judge. You had me at "hand" lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ruxpin Posted January 29, 2019 Share Posted January 29, 2019 13 minutes ago, Podein25 said: You had me at "hand" lol LMAO. I knew it while typing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ruxpin Posted January 29, 2019 Share Posted January 29, 2019 22 minutes ago, Podein25 said: You guys have more friends than me. Pen Pals Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ruxpin Posted January 29, 2019 Share Posted January 29, 2019 Speaking of pen pals, where'd @JackStraw go. Did he abandon us for The Process? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Podein25 Posted January 29, 2019 Share Posted January 29, 2019 9 minutes ago, ruxpin said: Speaking of pen pals, where'd @JackStraw go. Did he abandon us for The Process? No kidding. I hope he's well. This place is not the same without him. Do we know if he's even looked in on us, if only for a wee minute? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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