Game 17: Flyers at Bruins 11/10/19 7pm

[mojo1917]

2 hours ago, King Knut said:

Frost may not be as complete an answer to that question as he could be in March or this time next year, but he's the only answer to a very important question that the team doesn't seem to be asking.

This almost reads like a song lyric.

Now this is just me, I want Morgan Frost to come into the league the way Giroux did. 

Giroux came up and was a match-up problem no one knew about until he did some wizard **** to them.

Frost has the same handle and if I'm to believe scouting reports skates better, and maybe the fastest guy on the team in LHV.

I want him to come up and stay and be awesome, if he comes up now he's going to get worked.  G kicked around and kind of under achieved on the Phantoms until he got it.  I think Frost could be the player to step into 28's shoes, I don't want to blow up his confidence by rushing his development, because the team is winning but not by enough to suit people. 

 

[King Knut]

2 minutes ago, mojo1917 said:

This almost reads like a song lyric.

Now this is just me, I want Morgan Frost to come into the league the way Giroux did. 

Giroux came up and was a match-up problem no one knew about until he did some wizard **** to them.

Frost has the same handle and if I'm to believe scouting reports skates better, and maybe the fastest guy on the team in LHV.

I want him to come up and stay and be awesome, if he comes up now he's going to get worked.  G kicked around and kind of under achieved on the Phantoms until he got it.  I think Frost could be the player to step into 28's shoes, I don't want to blow up his confidence by rushing his development, because the team is winning but not by enough to suit people. 

 

 

It's not that they're not winning by enough to suit me, it's that I think the lack of a 3C is forcing 2 of the top 3 lines to underachieve.  

 

I hope what you say happens.  Frankly, I think he might be able to come up in the spring and be a real curveball for the stretch run and playoffs.  

 

I wish Laughton hadn't gotten hurt and I wish Patrick wasn't dealing with these Migraine issues.  

 

I really wish a lot of things.  The team went from having too many centers to not enough pretty quickly.  

 

What's happening now is only acceptable because they're winning and I'm concerned about how much of the responsibility for that is falling on Lindblom Coots and TK.  

 

We can tell the others to step it up as much as we want, and Giroux's line is at least looking better.  So that's something. 

[OccamsRazor]

22 minutes ago, mojo1917 said:

Vorobyev just didn't look engaged, even after getting high sticked in the mouth. 

 

Yep and seen Tony Androck eluded to his uninspired performance. I think his time is up here especially with a new wave of guys coming at the end of this year and start of next.

 

Laczynski 

Noah Cates should be added off the top of my head.

 

Laberge is in the ECHL and I'd rather he get a spot than Misha at this point.

 

We will be forgot about him by this time next year.

 

[elmatus]

1 hour ago, OccamsRazor said:

 

I just don't like two right hand shots on the same pair.

 

Two lefties sure but not two righties.

 

I'm not a fan of his 6 mill per prixe tag either.

 

Sure if he can get back to his 50 point season maybe but Ghost had a 65 point season too one time.

 

I need further convincing on this one.

 

That's fair. Everyone needs convincing some times. 

 

I do think Dumba is a top pairing guy personally, as do many others who are much more in the know than I am frankly. I definitely think he's measurably better than Ghost, but Voracek for Zucker could make it relatively even as you say.

 

If I'm being honest, I doubt the Wild would agree to this kind of trade anyway. Again, they're not a contending team. If Voracek is moved, it's going to be to a contender I think. I also don't think he's going to be moved at all. I think he's fine here in Philly where we can play him on the third line. We can do worse than a consistent ~60pt guy playing on the third. A lot of teams would kill for that luxury.

 

That's not because I'm a Jake fan. I just can't think of a plausible trade situation in which losing him makes the team better for this season. Ghost I can see, but not Voracek.

 

I wonder if there would be any teams out there willing to put up a solid 3C for a PP specialist. It would mean having to endure Hagg though, which is a hard sell even considering how garbage Ghost has been.

Edited November 12, 2019 by elmatus

[brelic]

26 minutes ago, King Knut said:

 

It's not that they're not winning by enough to suit me, it's that I think the lack of a 3C is forcing 2 of the top 3 lines to underachieve.  

 

I hope what you say happens.  Frankly, I think he might be able to come up in the spring and be a real curveball for the stretch run and playoffs.  

 

I wish Laughton hadn't gotten hurt and I wish Patrick wasn't dealing with these Migraine issues.  

 

I really wish a lot of things.  The team went from having too many centers to not enough pretty quickly.  

 

What's happening now is only acceptable because they're winning and I'm concerned about how much of the responsibility for that is falling on Lindblom Coots and TK.  

 

We can tell the others to step it up as much as we want, and Giroux's line is at least looking better.  So that's something. 

 

Just looking at the past 6 games during our 5-0-1 run... 

 

JVR (1g, 2a)

G (2g, 3a)

Farabee (2g, 1a)

 

Lindblom (3g, 3a)

Coots (3g, 4a)

TK (2g, 4a)

 

Hayes (No points since 1a on Oct 27)

Voracek (1a)

Raffl (1a), Twarynski (No points)

 

So you can see that the 3rd line is a bit of an offensive (in at least two senses of the word) blackhole. 

 

I'm hopeful that it's temporary because of the disruption at center, but G is still producing at center and his linemates are contributing too. 

 

Hayes is contributing on the PK and in 5v5 matchups even without scoring. 

 

So how do we get those two back on track? Might sort itself out once Laughton returns, else they call up Frost and see what they can finagle.

 

Two things are clear - 

1. We need to start scoring more than 2 goals per game. 

2. The 3rd line will need to start finding the back of the net when you consider the talent level available.

 

 

[CoachX]

10 hours ago, OccamsRazor said:

 

I seen where L.A. was wanting to move Tyler Toffoli and Martinez.

 

So i would offer this...

 

Toffoli (4.6 mill) only under contract this year and is a UFA

Martinez is under contract for next year at 4 mill.

 

moving 8.6 mill

 

for 

 

Voracek 4 more years at 8.25 mill

Gostisbehere 3 ore years at 4.5 mill

 

moving 12.75 mill

 

Kings have 6.6 mill in cap space.

 

Now Toffoli would have to sign an extension for me to consider this further.

 

Moving this would free up 4.15 mill for Flyers.

 

Sure they may be other deals but this one let's you get rid of two guys who are struggling and get a 27 RW back.

 

Gives the Kings two guys who are signed for a couple more years.

 

25 James van Riemsdyk - 28 Claude Giroux - 73 Tyler Toffoli
23 Oskar Lindblom - 14 Sean Couturier - 11 Travis Konecny
81 Carsen Twarynski - 13 Kevin Hayes - 49 Joel Farabee
10 Andy Andreoff - 12 Michael Raffl - 18 Tyler Pitlick

9 Ivan Provorov - 15 Matt Niskanen
27 Alec Martinez - 61 Justin Braun
6 Travis Sanheim - 5 Phil Myers

 

I don't think that is too bad right there. Sure might need to be some tweaking to make the compensation right on both sides.

 

But it isn't a bad deal for both sides.

I thought you werent going to do this

[King Knut]

1 hour ago, brelic said:

 

Just looking at the past 6 games during our 5-0-1 run... 

 

JVR (1g, 2a)

G (2g, 3a)

Farabee (2g, 1a)

 

Lindblom (3g, 3a)

Coots (3g, 4a)

TK (2g, 4a)

 

Hayes (No points since 1a on Oct 27)

Voracek (1a)

Raffl (1a), Twarynski (No points)

 

So you can see that the 3rd line is a bit of an offensive (in at least two senses of the word) blackhole. 

 

I'm hopeful that it's temporary because of the disruption at center, but G is still producing at center and his linemates are contributing too. 

 

Hayes is contributing on the PK and in 5v5 matchups even without scoring. 

 

So how do we get those two back on track? Might sort itself out once Laughton returns, else they call up Frost and see what they can finagle.

 

Two things are clear - 

1. We need to start scoring more than 2 goals per game. 

2. The 3rd line will need to start finding the back of the net when you consider the talent level available.

 

 

 

You know what... I have to amend this response.  I was looking at the wrong games.  

 

Jake and Hayes got demolished in the possession game in both contests this weekend.  I was flat out wrong.  I was looking at last week somehow.

 

There's something increasingly off there.  Hopefully they can sort it out soon.  Games are a little more up and down coming up, but there's very little rest.  They're on pretty much every other night (w/one two night break) until December.  

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited November 12, 2019 by King Knut

[King Knut]

1 hour ago, elmatus said:

 

That's fair. Everyone needs convincing some times. 

 

I do think Dumba is a top pairing guy personally, as do many others who are much more in the know than I am frankly. I definitely think he's measurably better than Ghost, but Voracek for Zucker could make it relatively even as you say.

 

If I'm being honest, I doubt the Wild would agree to this kind of trade anyway. Again, they're not a contending team. If Voracek is moved, it's going to be to a contender I think. I also don't think he's going to be moved at all. I think he's fine here in Philly where we can play him on the third line. We can do worse than a consistent ~60pt guy playing on the third. A lot of teams would kill for that luxury.

 

That's not because I'm a Jake fan. I just can't think of a plausible trade situation in which losing him makes the team better for this season. Ghost I can see, but not Voracek.

 

I wonder if there would be any teams out there willing to put up a solid 3C for a PP specialist. It would mean having to endure Hagg though, which is a hard sell even considering how garbage Ghost has been.

 

The only "contenders" that even come close to having the cap space are the Habs... and I'm not sure I see them as contenders come deadline time.  Evens so... the only way I see them making this trade is if the Flyers take Weber in return.  So Jake and Ghost for Weber.  Interested?  Not me.  

 

I'm with you.  I just don't see trading him as making any sense.  I'm also with you in that I'm not a particular fan of his or anything (kicking the puck at AV at the end of OT was a bit interesting I'll grant, but still...) I just don't see moving him as making any sense.  There's no one he's blocking and he's not doing a poor job.  He's just not scoring as much.  I'm not sure how to get Hayes going either, but right now they're both kind of holding steady with low production, but decent possession numbers.  They're doing what they need to.  I think Turns out Twarynski isn't enough to get them over the hump and scoring more.  Who'd'a thought?  

 

I've said it before and I'll say it again regarding Ghost.  I'm not at all interested in trading him until I see him play with someone better than Braun.  With how bad things seemed with Hagg and Morin now out of the picture, I'm not sure where that leaves us.  

 

Ultimately though, if you trade Ghost, you're not going to get equal value in defense back for him.

 

That said, I'm not sure how to get him a better partner either.  

 

 

 

[mojo1917]

4 minutes ago, King Knut said:

  I think Turns out Twarynski isn't enough to get them over the hump and scoring more.  Who'd'a thought?  

 

I like what Twarynski brings to the team though. He's fast, big and unafraid.

I haven't watched that line and said, yep 81,he's what's holding them back, actually I think that line has been "fine".  

They haven't connected on some chances but they are getting some. That's 3 big dudes on that line they aren't easy to play against.

 

It would be very nice to get at least one of the 2 centers that are hurt back in the line up, get G out of the pivot and bump some guys down the lineup.

[OccamsRazor]

29 minutes ago, CoachX said:

I thought you werent going to do this

 

I am allowed to change my mind right?

 

Go push some blue hairs down your local mall escalator or something.

 

Besides it's not the same around here without everyone telling me whatever you suggest can't work...it's the Philly way.

 

It will never work. Now the day is complete.

 

#whatwouldhomerdo

[King Knut]

10 minutes ago, mojo1917 said:

I like what Twarynski brings to the team though. He's fast, big and unafraid.

I haven't watched that line and said, yep 81,he's what's holding them back, actually I think that line has been "fine".  

They haven't connected on some chances but they are getting some. That's 3 big dudes on that line they aren't easy to play against.

 

It would be very nice to get at least one of the 2 centers that are hurt back in the line up, get G out of the pivot and bump some guys down the lineup.

 

I actually just had to go amend an earlier post.  I'm afraid they were doing okay despite not scoring but they're kinda losing battles now.  I was surprised that their possession numbers were holding up despite was it looked like, and in fact i was looking at the wrong games.  

 

They got owned this past weekend, especially in Boston (though Twarynski less so)

 

I definitely think something's not clicking.  If it were just Jake, I wouldn't be jumping on any trade him bandwagons (it's unrealistic) or anything, but I'd be second guessing him a bit more.

 

The fact that it's Hayes too says to me that something more is going on here.  Not sure what.  Clearly Twark and his speed were intended to help but it hasn't quite worked yet.  

[Podein25]

1 hour ago, mojo1917 said:

He's fast, big and unafraid.

 

Sounds like a Flyer to me.

[elmatus]

2 hours ago, King Knut said:

I've said it before and I'll say it again regarding Ghost.  I'm not at all interested in trading him until I see him play with someone better than Braun.  With how bad things seemed with Hagg and Morin now out of the picture, I'm not sure where that leaves us.  

 

Ultimately though, if you trade Ghost, you're not going to get equal value in defense back for him.

 

That said, I'm not sure how to get him a better partner either.  

 

That is possible, though personally I think the problem is more Ghost than Braun. The fact is, Ghost has never been great anywhere but on the PP. I'm not saying Braun is an elite level player or anything, but between the two of them, I think it's probably safe to say the weak link (defensively) is not Braun. Unless we're getting 2010 Chara or Weber in the line up, it seems a foregone conclusion that Ghost will remain a major defensive liability every time he hits the ice.

 

Now, it wasn't so bad when he was running PP1 along with Giroux, but Provo has filled that role now. Sure, he's nice to have for PP2, especially since that line up now boasts our three most effective forwards, but I have to wonder if it's worth keeping him around just for that. I feel like at some point, he's just more valuable if moved for something we need more, like a dman who is not a circus 5v5 or even maybe a solid 3C option. I'm not a big fan of the idea of getting stuck with Hagg though, so it would bear some more thought for sure.

 

2 hours ago, King Knut said:

  I'm not sure how to get Hayes going either, but right now they're both kind of holding steady with low production, but decent possession numbers.  They're doing what they need to.

 

I think part of the problem is with some folks (not necessarily you) overvaluing Hayes. We talked about this ad-nausea when the trade first went down, but Hayes is really a ~45pt guy throughout his career. He's on pace for matching that amount this year again. He's not underperforming with regards to scoring, he's scoring at the same pace he always has before.  

 

Now, he's great in terms of possession and defensive play, so he does redeem himself in other ways beyond scoring, but he has never been a 60pt guy or whatever $7M and a ton of clauses should amount to. I do think he could do well on a line with Giroux and Farabee though. In fact, I'll wager he'd have a career year with those two. The challenge right now is our lack of centre depth forcing Giroux to play the wing (but that's a convo for another post).

 

2 hours ago, mojo1917 said:

I like what Twarynski brings to the team though. He's fast, big and unafraid.

I haven't watched that line and said, yep 81,he's what's holding them back, actually I think that line has been "fine".  

They haven't connected on some chances but they are getting some. That's 3 big dudes on that line they aren't easy to play against.

 

It would be very nice to get at least one of the 2 centers that are hurt back in the line up, get G out of the pivot and bump some guys down the lineup.

 

I agree with this 100%.

Edited November 13, 2019 by elmatus

[OccamsRazor]

22 hours ago, ruxpin said:

@OccamsRazor

 

I haven't gone through any numbers, etc., because I was just thinking about this and can't look anything up.

 

What would Voracek/Ghost for Zucker/Dumba look like?   Would it even work with the cap?    Minny has Zucker on the LW right now, but he's played both.   He could slot in on the 3RW, I think.   He hasn''t been very...um...exciting the past couple of years, but I'm wondering if he couldn't benefit from a change.  I doubt Minny trades Dumba, but I think I'd kick the tires on it.

 

 

@elmatus

 

 

So i will ask you this and this is from a fan...is this what you really want...sounds to me honestly like a most expensive Ghost...

 

"Dumba with a serious collection of his usual bonehead plays to start the season. -14 in only 17 games, ugh, and not even compensating it with the kind of scoring that earned him his current contract. And while he may not be utilized properly, I don't think this is the play a $6 mil. man should provide.

 

Use Dumba as the trade bait to acquire that #1 line center Guerin is daydreaming about?"

 

 

As i said from a fan....so is it a grass in greener on the other side type?? They just got beat by the worst team in the West the Kings.

 

So they to seems like they should be in sell/rebuild mode. And i would be interested in some of their players but i'm not really wanting a more expensive Ghost at this point....i have to think they would love to swap a guy making 4.5 mill for one making 6 mill per.

 

So i do like Zucker too for Voracek but like we said with LA i guess that wouldn't make sense for a team in rebuild mode.

 

So i would still be back to my i would do Ghost for Martinez and a prospect (Akil Thomas or Arthur Kaliyev) or a pick.

 

 

Or Ghost to a whole different team...i prefer to not have to face him in the East one more player less to haunt them.

[King Knut]

16 hours ago, elmatus said:

 

That is possible, though personally I think the problem is more Ghost than Braun. The fact is, Ghost has never been great anywhere but on the PP. I'm not saying Braun is an elite level player or anything, but between the two of them, I think it's probably safe to say the weak link (defensively) is not Braun. Unless we're getting 2010 Chara or Weber in the line up, it seems a foregone conclusion that Ghost will remain a major defensive liability every time he hits the ice.

 

Now, it wasn't so bad when he was running PP1 along with Giroux, but Provo has filled that role now. Sure, he's nice to have for PP2, especially since that line up now boasts our three most effective forwards, but I have to wonder if it's worth keeping him around just for that. I feel like at some point, he's just more valuable if moved for something we need more, like a dman who is not a circus 5v5 or even maybe a solid 3C option. I'm not a big fan of the idea of getting stuck with Hagg though, so it would bear some more thought for sure.

 

 

I think part of the problem is with some folks (not necessarily you) overvaluing Hayes. We talked about this ad-nausea when the trade first went down, but Hayes is really a ~45pt guy throughout his career. He's on pace for matching that amount this year again. He's not underperforming with regards to scoring, he's scoring at the same pace he always has before.  

 

Now, he's great in terms of possession and defensive play, so he does redeem himself in other ways beyond scoring, but he has never been a 60pt guy or whatever $7M and a ton of clauses should amount to. I do think he could do well on a line with Giroux and Farabee though. In fact, I'll wager he'd have a career year with those two. The challenge right now is our lack of centre depth forcing Giroux to play the wing (but that's a convo for another post).

 

 

I agree with this 100%.

 

My issue with Braun is that he keeps being the guy who can't clear the puck or move a guy in front of the goalie... or shoving a guy and the puck into the goalie... etc.  

 

Ghost is not playing strong positional or possession hockey (the only two ways he's going to consistently defend well as he's typically not physical) but it's not leading necessarily to chances that a stronger presence wouldn't be able to help with.  if you give Braun a different D-man, it'll help.  But then you're essentially choosing Braun over Ghost and neglecting all the upside Ghost could be giving you.  

 

Right now there's no solution either way.  you're not going to get a better D man than either one of them at the moment.  All I'm saying is that I'm not ready to give up on Ghost's upside because he hasn't been able to figure it out while paired with the worst D man on the team.  

 

Overall Ghost is still playing a decent possession game despite a recent soft streak.  But Braun's on the ice for a poop load of goals against.  Despite his 6 points, Ghost is still at a minus 5 (5 of his points are on the PP).  Even so, his defensive "partner" is at -12.  That's more than twice as bad as the next worse player on the team.

 

Despite this, their corsi's are still both above 50% which suggests that when they give up chances, they're particularly good chances.  

 

They're both playing like crap, and neither one is helping the other.  

All in all, Ghost is still more likely to contribute much more with a better partner. 

 

 

 

[King Knut]

16 hours ago, elmatus said:

 

That is possible, though personally I think the problem is more Ghost than Braun. The fact is, Ghost has never been great anywhere but on the PP. I'm not saying Braun is an elite level player or anything, but between the two of them, I think it's probably safe to say the weak link (defensively) is not Braun. Unless we're getting 2010 Chara or Weber in the line up, it seems a foregone conclusion that Ghost will remain a major defensive liability every time he hits the ice.

 

Now, it wasn't so bad when he was running PP1 along with Giroux, but Provo has filled that role now. Sure, he's nice to have for PP2, especially since that line up now boasts our three most effective forwards, but I have to wonder if it's worth keeping him around just for that. I feel like at some point, he's just more valuable if moved for something we need more, like a dman who is not a circus 5v5 or even maybe a solid 3C option. I'm not a big fan of the idea of getting stuck with Hagg though, so it would bear some more thought for sure.

 

 

I think part of the problem is with some folks (not necessarily you) overvaluing Hayes. We talked about this ad-nausea when the trade first went down, but Hayes is really a ~45pt guy throughout his career. He's on pace for matching that amount this year again. He's not underperforming with regards to scoring, he's scoring at the same pace he always has before.  

 

Now, he's great in terms of possession and defensive play, so he does redeem himself in other ways beyond scoring, but he has never been a 60pt guy or whatever $7M and a ton of clauses should amount to. I do think he could do well on a line with Giroux and Farabee though. In fact, I'll wager he'd have a career year with those two. The challenge right now is our lack of centre depth forcing Giroux to play the wing (but that's a convo for another post).

 

 

I agree with this 100%.

 

Sorry, I forgot about Hayes.  As far as Hayes goes, I supported signing him, but thought and still think the contract he got is absurd.

 

i think he's a likely buyout candidate if compliance buyouts are offered with the new CBA... if they ever come to terms on one.  Wouldn't it just be the way of things for the league to have a lockout the minute the Flyers get their ducks in a row?

 

Long and short is whether he's a 45 point guy or not, he was signed as a 55+ point guy.  A tier 2 Coots.  

 

If he's going to make 62% more than Coots, he's going to have to find the back of the net and there's no way I'm going to let anyone here rag on Voracek without including Hayes until he starts to do so.  

 

They're both treading water extremely well right now in terms of not losing them games and holding things steady if the top six can get some goals.  The time will come when they'll be needed to get those goals and I will blame both of them if they don't show up.

 

P.S. Tonight would be a real good time to do so.

 

[elmatus]

1 hour ago, King Knut said:

 

Sorry, I forgot about Hayes.  As far as Hayes goes, I supported signing him, but thought and still think the contract he got is absurd.

 

i think he's a likely buyout candidate if compliance buyouts are offered with the new CBA... if they ever come to terms on one.  Wouldn't it just be the way of things for the league to have a lockout the minute the Flyers get their ducks in a row?

 

Long and short is whether he's a 45 point guy or not, he was signed as a 55+ point guy.  A tier 2 Coots.  

 

If he's going to make 62% more than Coots, he's going to have to find the back of the net and there's no way I'm going to let anyone here rag on Voracek without including Hayes until he starts to do so.  

 

They're both treading water extremely well right now in terms of not losing them games and holding things steady if the top six can get some goals.  The time will come when they'll be needed to get those goals and I will blame both of them if they don't show up.

 

P.S. Tonight would be a real good time to do so.

 

 

I'm with you on all of that. But as I've said on this forum a bunch of times now, it seems unreasonable to ask for a guy to morph from a 45pt guy into a 60pt guy at 27 years old. It seems far more likely to me that he'll remain a ~45pt guy. That is what I expect of him, so to me he's essentially meeting expectations so far.

 

In proper 2019 net lingo: If you vote in a party called the Leopards Eating People's Faces party, don't be surprised if they end up eating your face. https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/leopards-eating-peoples-faces-party

 

That said, he is a good player to have on our team right now for this season. I do think he could produce quite well with someone like Giroux and Farabee, which is why I'd like to see those three on a line. He does a number of things very well -- it's just that scoring isn't really one of those things. In terms of production, he's essentially a better version of Raffl, or a weaker version of Couts, whatever you prefer.

 

As far as the comparison with Couts goes, the truth is Couts is worth more than his contract shows. The start of this season shows that. His line is the only one that's producing consistently, and he's the pivot. He's quite possibly the most important part of our team right now. That type of role is generally worth more than 4.3M a year. Thankfully, we've got a great discount on him.

Edited November 13, 2019 by elmatus

[Podein25]

Re: Hayes

 

I was among the most disillusioned with the contract, both the dollars and the term. But I do understand the vagaries of the marketplace, and that he got that contract because of a weak FA pool in that year. Luck, in other words.

 

I don't expect him to score 70 pts, although I think he could reach 60 especially if he has young offensive talent on his wings. What will allow me to live with him and his contract is winning. If he is a key part of that, especially teaching the young guys how to play a 200 foot game, how to win face offs, how to protect the puck and drive the net, etc., etc., then I can live with it.

[brelic]

2 hours ago, King Knut said:

Overall Ghost is still playing a decent possession game despite a recent soft streak.  But Braun's on the ice for a poop load of goals against.  Despite his 6 points, Ghost is still at a minus 5 (5 of his points are on the PP).  Even so, his defensive "partner" is at -12.  That's more than twice as bad as the next worse player on the team.

 

Despite this, their corsi's are still both above 50% which suggests that when they give up chances, they're particularly good chances.  

 

To expand on this, Ghost's PDO is 94.2. Only Braun's (89.4) is worse on defense.

 

The real culprit is his unbelievable low shooting percentage.

 

Ghost's on-ice shooting percentage is 5.2% (his individual sh% is 3.1, half his career average of 6%). Above only Twarynski and Hagg (Andreoff, Rubtsov and Morin are lower but sample size is 1-2 games).

 

So while Ghost's on-ice save % (89%) is 7th on the team (6th if you want to exclude Myers' 6 game sample), it's the crazy low shooting percentage that is skewing the numbers. 

 

That tells me he just doesn't play with the top lines enough. I wonder what his ice time looks like distributed across forward lines... 

 

For reference, every other defenseman on the team is essentially double or triple Ghost's shooting %:

 

Myers, 17.1 (only 6 games, but he is the one actually scoring)

Sanheim, 15.4

Provorov, 12.1

Niskanen, 10.3

Braun, 9.8

 

 

Edited November 13, 2019 by brelic

[mojo1917]

1 hour ago, Podein25 said:

What will allow me to live with him and his contract is winning.

cures a lot of ills

[OccamsRazor]

4 hours ago, King Knut said:

he's typically not physical

 

Like it or not he is more physical than the 6-3 210 Sanheim that guy is soft as baby poo...

[Podein25]

48 minutes ago, OccamsRazor said:

 

Like it or not he is more physical than the 6-3 210 Sanheim that guy is soft as baby poo...

 

In fairness to baby poo, it can be quite sticky, so I'm ok with a Sanheim who sticks with his man and takes away time and space effectively. 

 

And, yes, that might be my worst post ever.

[King Knut]

2 hours ago, brelic said:

 

To expand on this, Ghost's PDO is 94.2. Only Braun's (89.4) is worse on defense.

 

The real culprit is his unbelievable low shooting percentage.

 

Ghost's on-ice shooting percentage is 5.2% (his individual sh% is 3.1, half his career average of 6%). Above only Twarynski and Hagg (Andreoff, Rubtsov and Morin are lower but sample size is 1-2 games).

 

So while Ghost's on-ice save % (89%) is 7th on the team (6th if you want to exclude Myers' 6 game sample), it's the crazy low shooting percentage that is skewing the numbers. 

 

That tells me he just doesn't play with the top lines enough. I wonder what his ice time looks like distributed across forward lines... 

 

For reference, every other defenseman on the team is essentially double or triple Ghost's shooting %:

 

Myers, 17.1 (only 6 games, but he is the one actually scoring)

Sanheim, 15.4

Provorov, 12.1

Niskanen, 10.3

Braun, 9.8

 

 

 

That is interesting.  Could be he's playing through something like Coots that doesn't enable him to shoot normally.  Might be part of why he was taken off PP1.   Something temporary, but that still makes him a better alternative than Hagg.  

[King Knut]

50 minutes ago, OccamsRazor said:

 

Like it or not he is more physical than the 6-3 210 Sanheim that guy is soft as baby poo...

 

I said Typical.  I remember Ghost throwing some heavy hits in the outdoor game last year.  He really knocked some guys around.

 

Probably not something he can maintain regularly with his size without risking losing games.  

[King Knut]

2 minutes ago, Podein25 said:

 

In fairness to baby poo, it can be quite sticky, so I'm ok with a Sanheim who sticks with his man and takes away time and space effectively. 

 

And, yes, that might be my worst post ever.

 

gross... but fair!  As long as baby poo stays firm and upright, you have a good point.  

 

No, I couldn't think of anything better.