Jammer, that's the problem with this team. If we had Weber, Suter, and 25 year old versions of Ray Bourqe & Rob Blake as the top units it wouldn't matter if the forwards do not help defensively. Since at least '95, the Devils players have bought into a system and execute that system well. Sure, we'd win a lot of games but probably wouldn't go any deeper than 2nd round or conference finals playing like that. Sometimes I wonder if there isn't something symptomatic about the Flyers organization in general. Seems players come here and get comfortable. Sometimes the team takes a period or two if not the entire night off when they're on the ice. That aside, we have coaches trying to implement a system and either the systems are bad or the players cannot execute or do not want to buy into it. On the positive note, the team did accumulate what, 105 points (?) during the regular season and went to the 2nd round of the playoffs. This happened during a supposed rebuilding year. There's a great core of young players that should only get better.