FD19372 Posted April 22, 2021 Share Posted April 22, 2021 Former Flyer Dale Weise takes shots at the leadership on this Flyers team, while giving tons of praise to Shea Weber....stating that "Weber holds guys accountable" and "you aren't going to walk into the locker room stating 'I need my cookies...I need my points'. Weise goes on to state "You know I talked about Philly's culture and Philly's locker room and that was something I saw very apparent there, there was zero accountability, it wasn't coming from the coaching staff, it wasn't coming from the leadership group it was basically a free for all." (I copied and pasted the last part, and couldn't modify it). It sounds like the Flyers locker room, might be a bit of a carnival atmosphere...."Club Med" as I had previously mentioned... with no one getting anyone's face for poor performance. No one seems to be saying, improve your game, or find another place to play..or anything close to that. A lot of guys seem to be happy with their check. Or, is this just "sour grapes" from Dale Weise? I think it is what we all suspected...a lack of accountability THROUGHOUT this organization from Paul Holmgren to the GM, and from the coach trickling down to the players in the locker room, who are supposed to be leaders, like Claude Giroux. 1 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FD19372 Posted April 22, 2021 Author Share Posted April 22, 2021 BTW, here's the link.... https://www.letsgoflyers.net/articles/dale-weise-takes-shots-at-claude-giroux/?fbclid=IwAR08XVzU5zQzndd9y1jfUI29OJt0e52Hcr52pkF7TWnjc1m1-R0LDkzK6Dg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post radoran Posted April 22, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted April 22, 2021 (edited) 4 hours ago, FD19372 said: a lack of accountability THROUGHOUT this organization from Paul Holmgren to the GM, and from the coach trickling down to the players in the locker room To be fair, Weise wasn't in AV's locker room... But I do think that the culture that rewarded Homer with a promotion when he was "fired" is indicative of what's going on down there. It is pretty much the same "leadership group" that was there, adding another guy (Hayes) who hasn't been an important part of a successful team. This tells me that they've possibly ruined Couturier's leadership potential, having squandered his bargain contract in his prime. Edited April 22, 2021 by radoran 2 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FD19372 Posted April 22, 2021 Author Share Posted April 22, 2021 1 minute ago, radoran said: To be fair, Weise wasn't in AV's locker room... True. 100%. My take is that it could be coaching....partially, although AV has clout because of his resume. He isn't Dave Hakstol. Weise's take was more on the locker room culture, beginning with Giroux. 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FD19372 Posted April 22, 2021 Author Share Posted April 22, 2021 3 minutes ago, radoran said: (Hayes) who hasn't been an important part of a successful team. He hasn't, but AV had to have him. That's his guy, clearly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
radoran Posted April 22, 2021 Share Posted April 22, 2021 2 minutes ago, FD19372 said: He hasn't, but AV had to have him. That's his guy, clearly. So he was a key part of a franchise going from the Cup Final, to the Conference Final, to losing in the first round, losing in the second round, and missing the playoffs? Pinch me. I don't absolve AV of any culpability, but he's not first on my list of problems. Nor top three. May not be top five. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FD19372 Posted April 22, 2021 Author Share Posted April 22, 2021 4 minutes ago, radoran said: So he was a key part of a franchise going from the Cup Final, to the Conference Final, to losing in the first round, losing in the second round, and missing the playoffs? Pinch me. I don't absolve AV of any culpability, but he's not first on my list of problems. Nor top three. May not be top five. He is not first on my list of problems, either. However, he did bring another underachiever onto a team, already filled with them. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OccamsRazor Posted April 22, 2021 Share Posted April 22, 2021 33 minutes ago, FD19372 said: Weise's take was more on the locker room culture, beginning with Giroux. There is only one way to really solve this. ONE. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cheesesteak Posted April 22, 2021 Share Posted April 22, 2021 (edited) 2 hours ago, OccamsRazor said: There is only one way to really solve this. ONE. Edited April 22, 2021 by Cheesesteak 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoachX Posted April 22, 2021 Share Posted April 22, 2021 2 hours ago, radoran said: So he was a key part of a franchise going from the Cup Final, to the Conference Final, to losing in the first round, losing in the second round, and missing the playoffs? Pinch me. I don't absolve AV of any culpability, but he's not first on my list of problems. Nor top three. May not be top five. I have a long list of grievances, AV is nowhere near it FESTIVUS! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post CoachX Posted April 22, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted April 22, 2021 this just kind of ices it for me. Ive seen enough comments from current and former to players to convince me the culture is poisoned. the team is filled with entitled, coddled, players who are happy with thier paycheck 3 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
radoran Posted April 22, 2021 Share Posted April 22, 2021 10 minutes ago, CoachX said: the team is filled with entitled, coddled, players who are happy with thier paycheck Scott Laughton: glad to be here Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FD19372 Posted April 22, 2021 Author Share Posted April 22, 2021 2 minutes ago, radoran said: Scott Laughton: glad to be here I don't have a problem with Laughton, per se. However, he does have 2.3 million reasons why he should be happy, per year, over the next two years. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OccamsRazor Posted April 22, 2021 Share Posted April 22, 2021 2 minutes ago, FD19372 said: However, he does have 3 million reasons why he should be happy, per year, over the next five years. FIFY!!!! 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FD19372 Posted April 22, 2021 Author Share Posted April 22, 2021 1 minute ago, OccamsRazor said: FIFY!!!! I like Laughton, but I guess I'm just subconsconsciously trying to forget just how stupid this organization is. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post flyercanuck Posted April 22, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted April 22, 2021 1 hour ago, CoachX said: this just kind of ices it for me. Ive seen enough comments from current and former to players to convince me the culture is poisoned. the team is filled with entitled, coddled, players who are happy with thier paycheck Maybe this meme will make you happier? 1 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
radoran Posted April 22, 2021 Share Posted April 22, 2021 48 minutes ago, FD19372 said: However, he does have 2.3 million reasons why he should be happy, per year, over the next two years. I don't have a particular problem with Laughton - I've even come around on him a lot the past two seasons, but the reaction was to him being "happy" and CoachX's "entitled, coddled, players who are happy with thier paycheck" remark... 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FD19372 Posted April 22, 2021 Author Share Posted April 22, 2021 31 minutes ago, flyercanuck said: Maybe this meme will make you happier? Please wait until Voracek is on another team, to push him down the stairs. He already doesn't have the trade value that someone at his salary should have. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Samifan Posted April 22, 2021 Share Posted April 22, 2021 (edited) 6 minutes ago, FD19372 said: Please wait until Voracek is on another team, to push him down the stairs. He already doesn't have the trade value that someone at his salary should have. #IHATEJAKE Edited April 22, 2021 by Samifan 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoachX Posted April 22, 2021 Share Posted April 22, 2021 53 minutes ago, flyercanuck said: Maybe this meme will make you happier? i've used that ...HAHAHA freakin love it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Samifan Posted April 22, 2021 Share Posted April 22, 2021 (edited) First off F**k Dale Weise, he did squat when he was here. There was locker room accountability when Lavy was here then maybe a bit less under Berube. When Hakstol was here it went to crap and the only member of the roster he spent time with or communicated with was his son VandeVelde! I would like to believe AV has tried to restore it but can only do so much with this team as currently made up. I would love to hear Raffl’s opinion since he has been in the room the past two seasons under AV. As a hockey dad and former youth coach, you don’t need a letter on your sweater to be a team leader or having a letter doesn’t mean you’re a good one. Edited April 22, 2021 by Samifan 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoachX Posted April 22, 2021 Share Posted April 22, 2021 As far as I'm concenred. Laughton just robbed the organization and committed fraud to get that contract. Of course they are idiots, so I guess they get what they deserve. Laughton makes me forget how much NAK pisses me off Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoachX Posted April 22, 2021 Share Posted April 22, 2021 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Samifan said: First off F**k Dale Weise, he did squat when he was here. There was locker room accountability when Lavy was here then maybe a bit less under Berube. When Hakstol was here it went to crap and the only member of the roster he spent time with or communicated with was his son VandeVelde! I would like to believe AV has tried to restore it but can only do so much with this team as currently made up. I would love to hear Raffl’s opinion since he has been in the room the past two seasons under AV. As a hockey dad and former youth coach, you don’t need a letter on your sweater to be a team leader or having a letter doesn’t mean you’re a good one. I never liked Weise, and he is no longer a Flyer, so he can eat $hit. But that doesn't mean he's a liar Weise makes me forget how much Laughton pisses me off Edited April 22, 2021 by CoachX 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FD19372 Posted April 22, 2021 Author Share Posted April 22, 2021 11 minutes ago, Samifan said: First off F**k Dale Weise, he did squat when he was here. There was locker room accountability when Lavy was here then maybe a bit less under Berube. When Hakstol was here it went to crap and the only member of the roster he spent time with or communicated with was his son VandeVelde! I would like to believe AV has tried to restore it but can only do so much with this team as currently made up. I would love to hear Raffl’s opinion since he has been in the room the past two seasons under AV. As a hockey dad and former youth coach, you don’t need a letter on your sweater to be a team leader or having a letter doesn’t mean you’re a good one. AV has tried to make the wealthier players on this team accountable. He benched Ghost and Voracek at certain points. He, and they, know that can't last long..so there's no enduring consequence...unfortunately. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OccamsRazor Posted April 22, 2021 Share Posted April 22, 2021 12 minutes ago, FD19372 said: Voracek at certain points. Really when?? Had to be minutes i guess after i had turned it off. Or woke up from a blackout. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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