goalnut3133 Posted October 8, 2013 Share Posted October 8, 2013 On Saturday night's game between the Ottawa Senators and Toronto Maple Leafs, Mason Raymond scored the game-winning shoot-out goal by using the spin-o-rama move on Sens' goalie Craig Anderson. Sens' coach Paul MacLean took issue with this move, believing it should not be allowed in the shoot-outs, specifically because players tend to create the 'snow-shower effect' on goaltenders, thus making it an unfair advantage for the shooter. And this is exactly what happened on Sat. night. He does have a valid point: if you snow-shower a goalie during a game, you can get an 'unsportsmanlike conduct penalty', so why is this allowed in the shootout, particularly when it may mean a win or loss for a team? http://www.cbc.ca/sports-content/hockey/opinion/2013/10/30-thoughts-controversial-spin-o-rama-move-in-spotlight.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ruxpin Posted October 8, 2013 Share Posted October 8, 2013 The only thing that can stop a bad guy in a shootout is a good guy in a shootout. (I don't think the spin-o-rama should be allowed in a shootout., But then again, I don't think the shootout should be allowed) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hf101 Posted October 8, 2013 Share Posted October 8, 2013 Although the puck might stay in motion during a spinorama, imo, it doesn't stay in forward motion. I was surprised the league didn't remove the spinorama move during the offseason as it was discussed. And you are right, he shouldn't be allowed to snowshower a goalie in the crease. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bunnyman Posted October 8, 2013 Share Posted October 8, 2013 Snow showering was always unsportsmanlike conduct. I don't care how many times you've been sprayed, you never quite get used to it. I, for one don't hate the shoot out, and I have had several people tell me how much they like the shoot out. But the spin-o-rama should be banned in the shoot out, period. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Polaris922 Posted October 8, 2013 Share Posted October 8, 2013 Really? That's the excuse now? A little snow shower? I thought this was hockey not ping pong. My Lord... how many excuses can we make? As long as the puck continues a forward motion, tough **** goalie... deal with it. It's allowed in the game. What's next? I really don't like it when the player shoots the puck? I don't like it when the player tries to trick me? Deking should be illegal? Get over it Mr. Walrus. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bunnyman Posted October 8, 2013 Share Posted October 8, 2013 While I don't quite agree with snow showers being unsportsmanlike conduct, it is in game rules. Why shouldn't it be in a shoot out? Consistency is what i ask. Spin-o-rama usually ends up with some lack of forward motion.I drew many penalties with a snow shower, myself. Usually those resulted in a minor served by a defenseman and a goalie (by someone else), as i would draw two roughing minors. but that was long before the banning of snow showers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Polaris922 Posted October 8, 2013 Share Posted October 8, 2013 I think there's a difference between making a move and intentionally snowing the goalie. The penalty comes with intent, not incident. When is the last time you saw a penalty for it during a hard charging play where the player is stopping to avoid collision?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TretiakCCCP20 Posted October 8, 2013 Share Posted October 8, 2013 Just one more thing the NHL higher ups will suddenly change. This game is starting to look more like golf than hockey...What's next? Fans aren't allowed to cheer? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TretiakCCCP20 Posted October 8, 2013 Share Posted October 8, 2013 The shootout shouldn't even be in the game in the first place... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bunnyman Posted October 8, 2013 Share Posted October 8, 2013 (edited) I think there's a difference between making a move and intentionally snowing the goalie. The penalty comes with intent, not incident. When is the last time you saw a penalty for it during a hard charging play where the player is stopping to avoid collision?? True dat, but the spin-o-rama could be construed as unsportsmanlike, which brings me to this:Just one more thing the NHL higher ups will suddenly change. This game is starting to look more like golf than hockey...What's next? Fans aren't allowed to cheer? Word.The shootout shouldn't even be in the game in the first place...From a tradition standpoint, I agree. But I don't hate the shoot out. Just me, I s'pose. Edited October 8, 2013 by bunnyman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commander Clueless Posted October 8, 2013 Share Posted October 8, 2013 No, it probably shouldn't be allowed. Just like you shouldn't be able to skate up to the goalie, stop, deke, and then shoot. It should probably be a continuous motion with the player's legs and puck. But I think we're forgetting the real enemy here - the Ottawa Senators. Screw those guys. Also, this whole thing is somehow Daniel Alfredsson's fault. /end spite 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Polaris922 Posted October 8, 2013 Share Posted October 8, 2013 A spin-o-rama is motion... and as long as the puck continues to move forward, leave it alone. How much do we really want to micromanage the game? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commander Clueless Posted October 8, 2013 Share Posted October 8, 2013 A spin-o-rama is motion... and as long as the puck continues to move forward, leave it alone. How much do we really want to micromanage the game? A good point, although I do think the player should have to keep moving and the spin-o-rama represents the player coming to a stop, if not the puck. However, this is within the rules and stands as a good shootout goal....and I'm not complaining about that. It's just my 2 cents. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sarsippius Posted October 8, 2013 Share Posted October 8, 2013 Also, this whole thing is somehow Daniel Alfredsson's fault. /end spite Actually I blame Lindros.Sorry for stealing your line @Podein25, but somebody had to say it. And for the love of God no No NO freaking spinorama on shootouts. If somebody tried that **** in the 80's on a penalty shot, the goalie AND the ref would have kicked his ass. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mojo1917 Posted October 8, 2013 Share Posted October 8, 2013 No, it probably shouldn't be allowed. Just like you shouldn't be able to skate up to the goalie, stop, deke, and then shoot. It should probably be a continuous motion with the player's legs and puck. But I think we're forgetting the real enemy here - the Ottawa Senators. Screw those guys. Also, this whole thing is somehow Daniel Alfredsson's fault. /end spiteLFMAO Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ruxpin Posted October 8, 2013 Share Posted October 8, 2013 Really? That's the excuse now? A little snow shower? I thought this was hockey not ping pong. My Lord... how many excuses can we make? As long as the puck continues a forward motion, tough **** goalie... deal with it. It's allowed in the game. What's next? I really don't like it when the player shoots the puck? I don't like it when the player tries to trick me? Deking should be illegal? Get over it Mr. Walrus. I think they should take down the nets and have everyone put on disney costumes and just skate around for a couple hours. No one gets their feelings hurt; no one suffers a concussion; and Hartnell can fall as much as he wants and we'll all think that's what Goofy is supposed to do. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commander Clueless Posted October 8, 2013 Share Posted October 8, 2013 I think they should take down the nets and have everyone put on disney costumes and just skate around for a couple hours. No one gets their feelings hurt; no one suffers a concussion; and Hartnell can fall as much as he wants and we'll all think that's what Goofy is supposed to do. They should just have a full speed headbutting contest, big horn style. First team to inflict a concussion gets the extra point. Tucking in your jersey or removing your helmet gets you an automatic suspension. Spin-o-rama headbutts are totally legal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goalnut3133 Posted October 8, 2013 Author Share Posted October 8, 2013 Wow, so far this poll is 80-20 split! I was actually expecting it more halfway down the line for this forum...I thought others would want to keep the spin-o-rama in the game. To me, whenever I see a player come to that sudden halt, spin & then shoot, I feel a let down on the inside, like it was more of a trick shot, not based on using the deke & shoot skills you normally see during a game. If it's a 'skills competition', then yah, have at it! But when we're talking game wins/losses, & points, I think it should be taken more seriously, not just for the sake of fun & entertainment. If that's the case, why not unicycle up to the goalie & knock the puck in with a polo stick, wearing a clown wig? Surely, that's not against the rules, is it? The player is in motion, AND the puck is in motion in that case. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ruxpin Posted October 8, 2013 Share Posted October 8, 2013 Wow, so far this poll is 80-20 split! I was actually expecting it more halfway down the line for this forum...I thought others would want to keep the spin-o-rama in the game. To me, whenever I see a player come to that sudden halt, spin & then shoot, I feel a let down on the inside, like it was more of a trick shot, not based on using the deke & shoot skills you normally see during a game. If it's a 'skills competition', then yah, have at it! But when we're talking game wins/losses, & points, I think it should be taken more seriously, not just for the sake of fun & entertainment. If that's the case, why not unicycle up to the goalie & knock the puck in with a polo stick, wearing a clown wig? Surely, that's not against the rules, is it? The player is in motion, AND the puck is in motion in that case. Now you're just being silly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yave1964 Posted October 8, 2013 Share Posted October 8, 2013 As long as the puck is moving forward, who cares? And frankly adding extra moves makes it a low percentage chance anyway, it is a fluky cute all star game move, regular season the ones who should be mad are the coaches of the teams that try it. It is not a cute little move in an exhibition game, it is for a point in the standings and more often than not the player does not make it with this move. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goalnut3133 Posted October 8, 2013 Author Share Posted October 8, 2013 @ruxpin What, you can't picture Raymond wearing the wig? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Polaris922 Posted October 9, 2013 Share Posted October 9, 2013 I think they should take down the nets and have everyone put on disney costumes and just skate around for a couple hours. No one gets their feelings hurt; no one suffers a concussion; and Hartnell can fall as much as he wants and we'll all think that's what Goofy is supposed to do.I'm game ! I have a Jasmine princess costume I can wear... Umm.. Err... I mean I know this guy who has a costume... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bunnyman Posted October 9, 2013 Share Posted October 9, 2013 I will be the bunny in this Ice Capades!!!! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goalnut3133 Posted October 9, 2013 Author Share Posted October 9, 2013 I'm game ! I have a Jasmine princess costume I can wear... Umm.. Err... I mean I know this guy who has a costume... (Ahem)...Pols, which suburb of Pittsburgh do you live in again?? :unsure: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Polaris922 Posted October 9, 2013 Share Posted October 9, 2013 (Ahem)...Pols, which suburb of Pittsburgh do you live in again?? :unsure: Shhhh.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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