pilldoc Posted November 29, 2014 Share Posted November 29, 2014 ....you just can't unless your plan is to tank two years in a row. that just might happen with the way this team is currently put together...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
radoran Posted November 29, 2014 Share Posted November 29, 2014 This team is in such a bad position and there are no easy fixes. RJ and VLC will not be picked up by anyone - repeat; Noone. Buy them out and we are still f"d with the cap hit. Cap going down and nothing but a bunch of shitty contracts on bad players. McDud, RJ, VLC, L Schenn all need to go. This is not a year or two project folks so buckle up.. Gonna get ugly...Buy out RJ and you gain $3m on the cap. Buy out VLC and they gain $1.7m more.With $4.7M you can get an effective 20/50 forward if you're not Homer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pilldoc Posted November 29, 2014 Share Posted November 29, 2014 Buy out RJ and you gain $3m on the cap. Buy out VLC and they gain $1.7m more.With $4.7M you can get an effective 20/50 forward if you're not Homer. agree...take the cap hit and move foreward..... they should just cut (pun intended) their losses and move on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
murraycraven Posted November 29, 2014 Share Posted November 29, 2014 Buy out RJ and you gain $3m on the cap. Buy out VLC and they gain $1.7m more.With $4.7M you can get an effective 20/50 forward if you're not Homer.Believe me I agree. The only frustrating part is that we will be carrying a cap hit for those two dolts in a season that the cap is expected to go down. RJ should have never been on this team this begin with...I think I have been pretty up front about my hatred for RJ and the whole trade since it was announced. I am on my phone so does anyone know how much cap hit both those scrotes will cost us if bought out? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OccamsRazor Posted November 29, 2014 Share Posted November 29, 2014 I am on my phone so does anyone know how much cap hit both those scrotes will cost us if bought out? I understand what you're saying but you have to look at it as how much they'll save not cost, no other way around it cause no one wants them. So it's a cut off the arm to save the body type of move.....only positive way you can spin it right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
murraycraven Posted November 29, 2014 Share Posted November 29, 2014 Agree OR! Unthinkable that Homer put us in this bad of a bind. Just frustrating as a fan to watch this go down... Although I think most of us saw this coming. . Hextall has his work cut out Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doom88 Posted November 29, 2014 Share Posted November 29, 2014 Still, the RJ buyout is cheaper and shorter than Hartnell. If the Flyers had Hartnell, and he continued his slide, Hexy would have an even bigger anchor around his neck.R.J. Umberger buyout from CapGeek.com2015-16: $1,600,0002016-17: $1,600,0002017-18: $1,500,0002018-19: $1,500,000Vincent Lecavalier buyout from CapGeek.com2015-16: $2,888,8892016-17: $2,888,8892017-18: $2,388,8892018-19: $888,8892019-20: $888,8892020-21: $888,889 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OccamsRazor Posted November 29, 2014 Share Posted November 29, 2014 Still, the RJ buyout is cheaper and shorter than Hartnell. If the Flyers had Hartnell, and he continued his slide, Hexy would have an even bigger anchor around his neck.R.J. Umberger buyout from CapGeek.com2015-16: $1,600,0002016-17: $1,600,0002017-18: $1,500,0002018-19: $1,500,000Vincent Lecavalier buyout from CapGeek.com2015-16: $2,888,8892016-17: $2,888,8892017-18: $2,388,8892018-19: $888,8892019-20: $888,8892020-21: $888,889 Too bad you just couldn't do that now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mad Dog Posted November 29, 2014 Share Posted November 29, 2014 Buy out RJ and you gain $3m on the cap. Buy out VLC and they gain $1.7m more.With $4.7M you can get an effective 20/50 forward if you're not Homer. And that *may* be what they will end up doing because there are literally no other solutions of precluding this team from becoming the Sabres. WHY these moves have been done in the first place.... only God knows. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doom88 Posted November 29, 2014 Share Posted November 29, 2014 Too bad you just couldn't do that now.Truthfully, I'd only buyout RJ. I think VLC does have value, but the whole team is slumping, and his value doesn't align with the Flyers needs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mad Dog Posted November 29, 2014 Share Posted November 29, 2014 Still, the RJ buyout is cheaper and shorter than Hartnell. Not that I disagree with the math, but let's all stop to think about this for a second. None of these elaborate, sophisticated steps would even be necessary if these moves were not made in the first place. Woudln't a much simpler solution be to just buy out Hartnell and use his salary on someone who can actually help you? It simply amazes me how this team always puts itself in a position to do something so utterly unthinkable. They just can't make it easy for themselves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doom88 Posted November 29, 2014 Share Posted November 29, 2014 Not that I disagree with the math, but let's all stop to think about this for a second. None of these elaborate, sophisticated steps would even be necessary if these moves were not made in the first place. Woudln't a much simpler solution be to just buy out Hartnell and use his salary on someone who can actually help you?It simply amazes me how this team always puts itself in a position to do something so utterly unthinkable. They just can't make it easy for themselves.The Hartnell buyout was more expensive and longer term. I'd rather be free of obligations sooner.That said, a retained salary trade for picks should have happened. Hartnell had enough value to pull that off, and it's way cheaper/shorter than a buyout. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mad Dog Posted November 29, 2014 Share Posted November 29, 2014 The Hartnell buyout was more expensive and longer term. I'd rather be free of obligations sooner.That said, a retained salary trade for picks should have happened. Hartnell had enough value to pull that off, and it's way cheaper/shorter than a buyout. My point exactly, even though I know I didn't express this explicitly. Why go through the multi-step process if you can do it quicker and less painlessly? At least for Hartnell, you could possibly get a semi-decent prospect or even a second round pick. RJ fetches you nothing and the buyout is the only feasible solution. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pilldoc Posted November 29, 2014 Share Posted November 29, 2014 My point exactly, even though I know I didn't express this explicitly. Why go through the multi-step process if you can do it quicker and less painlessly? At least for Hartnell, you could possibly get a semi-decent prospect or even a second round pick. RJ fetches you nothing and the buyout is the only feasible solution. correct me if I'm wrong....but wasn't there a rumor floating around that Columbus was going to use one of their "get out of jail free" buy out clauses and use itin Crapberger? If so...we actuallty did Columbus a favor and we arepaying the price. That one is all on Hexy. I get the idea why he did, but I don't think anyone of us on here at any fathom how bad Crapberger was really going to be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
murraycraven Posted November 29, 2014 Share Posted November 29, 2014 VLC has as much value as Rinaldo at this point... He is tetrible Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mad Dog Posted November 29, 2014 Share Posted November 29, 2014 correct me if I'm wrong....but wasn't there a rumor floating around that Columbus was going to use one of their "get out of jail free" buy out clauses and use itin Crapberger? If so...we actuallty did Columbus a favor and we arepaying the price. That one is all on Hexy. I get the idea why he did, but I don't think anyone of us on here at any fathom how bad Crapberger was really going to be. I believe you are correct... in which case I guess Hexy overvalued Umberger. I am not sure if there is a better explanation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jammer2 Posted November 29, 2014 Author Share Posted November 29, 2014 Great call on the SO!!!! Hey, big props, got the score and the shut out....just wrong team....lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jammer2 Posted November 29, 2014 Author Share Posted November 29, 2014 @pilldoc Who started Crapburger....it's simple and so fitting. It just took me by surprise and nearly produced a spit out the coffee moment. Actually, I wish I would have, cause I blocked it and some came out my nose....LMAO! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pilldoc Posted November 29, 2014 Share Posted November 29, 2014 @jammer2 for once I get to take credit for something! Glad you like! Short and direct to the point! He literally is a pice a crap on the ice..... as I said ..glad you like! How was your Thanksgiving? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pilldoc Posted November 29, 2014 Share Posted November 29, 2014 @jammer2 Like I posted in an earlier thread...here is the truly sad part... Vinny / Crapbergerger = 9.1 mill / yr Now don't punch your computer screeen...here are their lovely "COMBINED" Stats: their combine stats -----> 3G, 6A, 9 PTS, (-11) are you freaking kidding me what an absolute waste of 2 roster spots!!!! what a disgrace!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bakanekimiwa Posted November 29, 2014 Share Posted November 29, 2014 This team is simply unwatchable right now. Sat down to watch and was disgusted within about 2 min. This team is a **** sandwich and we're all taking a bite. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mad Dog Posted November 29, 2014 Share Posted November 29, 2014 @jammer2 Like I posted in an earlier thread...here is the truly sad part... Vinny / Crapbergerger = 9.1 mill / yr Now don't punch your computer screeen...here are their lovely "COMBINED" Stats: their combine stats -----> 3G, 6A, 9 PTS, (-11) are you freaking kidding me what an absolute waste of 2 roster spots!!!! what a disgrace!!!! Disgrace is right. $9.1 mil down the drain....... just like that. And to make you feel even worse (not that you really need it.......lol), Kyle Okposo, who is probably 5 times a player that these two stiffs are combined, makes only $2.8 mil this year *and* the next year. Jason Pominville of the Wild is signed to $5.6 Mil. His contract, I believe, is long-term as well, but heck, if you want to pay, at least pay to a player where you can get a decent return for your investment. Pomminville is only 32 years old and will give you 60 points a season without even trying. How can this be happening? Any theory? Anybody? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brelic Posted November 29, 2014 Share Posted November 29, 2014 How can this be happening? Any theory? Anybody? Impatience. That leads to bad asset management. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jammer2 Posted November 29, 2014 Author Share Posted November 29, 2014 Impatience. That leads to bad asset management. Yep, that is a huge part of it. You should never make knee jerk moves based on the teams poor trends during a month timeframe. It reeks of over-management and a SEVERE lack of a long term plan. That is the *real* problem with Homer....his lack of a long term plan. Gm'ing by the seat of your pants is a guaranteed way to screw things up. You might make some forward progress, but the end result will always be golfing. Mark down Snider as a HUGE part of the problem, there is no doubt he forced Homer into some of these brutal decisions, how much...we will never know, but it's fair to assume that he was the primary source behind the Bryz signing.....gag. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pilldoc Posted November 29, 2014 Share Posted November 29, 2014 Impatience. That leads to bad asset management. Yep, that is a huge part of it. You should never make knee jerk moves based on the teams poor trends during a month timeframe. It reeks of over-management and a SEVERE lack of a long term plan. That is the *real* problem with Homer....his lack of a long term plan. Gm'ing by the seat of your pants is a guaranteed way to screw things up. You might make some forward progress, but the end result will always be golfing. Mark down Snider as a HUGE part of the problem, there is no doubt he forced Homer into some of these brutal decisions, how much...we will never know, but it's fair to assume that he was the primary source behind the Bryz signing.....gag. This ^^^^ to both of your responses.! DING DING! we have a winner. Knee jerk reactions...that is the M.O. of this team for years. There has NEVER been a current/present plan, medium range plan, or long term plan for this team ever!!! That is one of THE problems. The shear lack of patience is downfall of this team and it is, like a house of cards, falling in on itself and this team is imploding like the atom bomb. I fear this is even worse then anyone of us every imagined! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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