King Knut Posted December 4, 2014 Share Posted December 4, 2014 If VLC retires out of shame or frustration, does his old man rule salary count against the cap like it would if he were injured into retiring like Pronger? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doom88 Posted December 4, 2014 Share Posted December 4, 2014 No, he was not a 35+ contract. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vincent05 Posted December 4, 2014 Share Posted December 4, 2014 No it wouldn't count against the cap, he wasn't over 35 when he signed the contract. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jammer2 Posted December 4, 2014 Share Posted December 4, 2014 @King Knut Yeah, he's only 34 right now, so the +35 rule would not apply to him. Why can't the Flyers offer him a scouting job for life...a nudge, wink....throw some of the Comcast money his way!! Give him 10 mill extra to retire early, go spend some quality time with the family Vinny. Of course, the Flyers can't do this legally....but nothing can preclude them from dolling out money after he retires!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hf101 Posted December 4, 2014 Share Posted December 4, 2014 @King Knut no. Vinny's contract started before he became 35 while Pronger's contract is a part of the over 35 rule. If Vinny chooses to retire he walks away without the Money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EightyEight Posted December 4, 2014 Share Posted December 4, 2014 They'll trade him and his new team will use him right and he will light it up for them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jammer2 Posted December 4, 2014 Share Posted December 4, 2014 They'll trade him and his new team will use him right and he will light it up for them. I just don't see it. He's lazy, injury prone and can't skate anymore. Regardless of who he plays with, his coach will see the effort he's giving and bench his ass....and rightly so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doom88 Posted December 5, 2014 Share Posted December 5, 2014 I just don't see it. He's lazy, injury prone and can't skate anymore. Regardless of who he plays with, his coach will see the effort he's giving and bench his ass....and rightly so.Yet, he still scored 20 last season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jammer2 Posted December 5, 2014 Share Posted December 5, 2014 @doom88 Yep, 20 goals is 20 goals....but most of them were garbage goals with the game out of reach, either for the Flyers or the opponents. In fact, he's got 3 game winning goals in the past 3 seasons. Not a very impressive total at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doom88 Posted December 5, 2014 Share Posted December 5, 2014 @doom88 Yep, 20 goals is 20 goals....but most of them were garbage goals with the game out of reach, either for the Flyers or the opponents. In fact, he's got 3 game winning goals in the past 3 seasons. Not a very impressive total at all.Misleading stat drop jammer. All three were last season, as a Flyer.People said the same about Jeff Carter. He's not as bad as fans generally claimed either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jammer2 Posted December 5, 2014 Share Posted December 5, 2014 @doom88 His last full season in Tampa Bay produced ZERO game winning goals....wanna spin that one? Bottom line, he is no longer a clutch performer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doom88 Posted December 5, 2014 Share Posted December 5, 2014 @doom88 His last full season in Tampa Bay produced ZERO game winning goals....wanna spin that one? Bottom line, he is no longer a clutch performer.It's not spin at all...you're reaching further back to attempt to prove a point. More recent history disagrees. 3 GWG in a season plagued by inconsistency, injury, a coaching change, and playing out of position for the first time.Fact is, 3 GWG. Last season. As a Flyer.Not saying I love the guy, but at least give credit where due. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hf101 Posted December 5, 2014 Share Posted December 5, 2014 It's not spin at all...you're reaching further back to attempt to prove a point. More recent history disagrees. 3 GWG in a season plagued by inconsistency, injury, a coaching change, and playing out of position for the first time.Fact is, 3 GWG. Last season. As a Flyer.Not saying I love the guy, but at least give credit where due. Vinny also had a few key goals last year sending the team into overtime. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
murraycraven Posted December 5, 2014 Share Posted December 5, 2014 I can't believe people argue that VLC can still play... He is toast Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JackStraw Posted December 5, 2014 Share Posted December 5, 2014 I can't believe people argue that VLC can still play... He is toast I think he can still play. The problem is he was a terrible fit for the Flyers right from the start. They've tried to turn him into a winger and it just hasn't worked. He's bounced around between lines and line-mates, on a team that's been terrible defensively so he can't really be shielded. It's just an awful fit. 34 isn't THAT old, heck Datsyuk is tearing it up and he's 36 now. Given the right situation I think Vinny could still be a useful player, but that situation definitely is not on the Flyers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Podein25 Posted December 5, 2014 Share Posted December 5, 2014 I think he can still play. The problem is he was a terrible fit for the Flyers right from the start. They've tried to turn him into a winger and it just hasn't worked. He's bounced around between lines and line-mates, on a team that's been terrible defensively so he can't really be shielded. It's just an awful fit.34 isn't THAT old, heck Datsyuk is tearing it up and he's 36 now. Given the right situation I think Vinny could still be a useful player, but that situation definitely is not on the Flyers.I've just received word that my beer league team is short 4 guys Sat. night. If Heatley puts the pedal to the metal (and lays off the sauce!) he could have Vinnie here by puck drop. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JackStraw Posted December 5, 2014 Share Posted December 5, 2014 I've just received word that my beer league team is short 4 guys Sat. night. If Heatley puts the pedal to the metal (and lays off the sauce!) he could have Vinnie here by puck drop.The skin care products you ordered have been shipped and are on their way to your door. Amway thanks you for your business. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Podein25 Posted December 5, 2014 Share Posted December 5, 2014 The skin care products you ordered have been shipped and are on their way to your door. Amway thanks you for your business.Lol, too funny. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Quigster Posted December 5, 2014 Share Posted December 5, 2014 I bet Hitch would like to have him! He'd be a good fit along with Marty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Knut Posted December 5, 2014 Author Share Posted December 5, 2014 I thought you just had to turn 35 during the duration of the contract. No it wouldn't count against the cap, he wasn't over 35 when he signed the contract. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJgoal Posted December 5, 2014 Share Posted December 5, 2014 No, you have to be 35 before it starts on July 1. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Knut Posted December 5, 2014 Author Share Posted December 5, 2014 I really have no doubt that he can still play. He's not a 30 goal guy any more, but there's no reason to expect that last year's 20 shouldn't be achievable and maybe even a little more. The problem is that Vinny is past the peek point of his career where he could make that happen on his own and through improvisation or playing with St. Louis. He needs a system that caters to what he can do. Acutally any system at all would be a help. There are plenty of teams for whom he could be a strong secondary scoring and power play presence. The Flyers just aren't one of them and were never going to be. Homer should have never signed him and never for more than 2 years and even then never for more than 2.5 million. I can't believe people argue that VLC can still play... He is toast Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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