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[OccamsRazor]

Well i guess it will depend on how bad they want to get Mcdud his games needed for the expansion draft.

 

Someone on the blueline under contract for next year has to be exposed....as of now they are Gudas, Manning and Mcdud....Ghost will be getting a new deal...but it won't be him.

[RJ8812]

2 hours ago, AJgoal said:

 

I have no problem with them holding on to Streit until the deadline and moving him if they are out. But if they are in, he's not going anywhere in February. 

I don't think it should matter if we are in the playoffs or not. If Hextall gets a good offer for Streit, you move him without question. He isn't part of this team's future and this team is not going far if they make the playoffs anyways. If any team offers, at the very least, a 2nd round pick, you take it and run.

[OccamsRazor]

2 hours ago, RJ8812 said:

If any team offers, at the very least, a 2nd round pick 4th round pick, you take it and run.

 

Fixed it for you....

 

[ruxpin]

2 hours ago, RJ8812 said:

If any team offers, at the very least, a 2nd round pick, you take it and run.

 

If all they get for Streit at the deadline is a 2nd round pick, they need to open a criminal investigation.

 

If they're in the playoff race AND have figured out the backend a little bit more (not being the highest GAA in the league is a good start), keep him and ride it.

 

If not, get what you can, but it's going to be a prospect and a pick (1st or 2nd). Someone (Detroit?) will be punch drunk for an offensive specialty defenseman that can eat some minutes

[flyercanuck]

7 hours ago, ruxpin said:

 

If all they get for Streit at the deadline is a 2nd round pick, they need to open a criminal investigation.

 

If they're in the playoff race AND have figured out the backend a little bit more (not being the highest GAA in the league is a good start), keep him and ride it.

 

If not, get what you can, but it's going to be a prospect and a pick (1st or 2nd). Someone (Detroit?) will be punch drunk for an offensive specialty defenseman that can eat some minutes

 

I disagree rux. This team is still under construction. We need prospects and young players more than a handful of playoff games. if we make the playoffs, that's fine. But you continue with the plan of building a champion. Streit goes. 

[AJgoal]

1 hour ago, flyercanuck said:

 

I disagree rux. This team is still under construction. We need prospects and young players more than a handful of playoff games. if we make the playoffs, that's fine. But you continue with the plan of building a champion. Streit goes. 

 

Easy to say from here, but teams just don't do that if they're in the playoffs. Last team I can remember doing that is the Rangers, but they got a pretty good player in the Callahan trade, not picks/prospects. Besides the financials, what kind of a message does it send to the remaining players? I just don't see him being moved at the deadline if the Flyers are in. Now? Sure.

[flyercanuck]

51 minutes ago, AJgoal said:

 

Easy to say from here, but teams just don't do that if they're in the playoffs. Last team I can remember doing that is the Rangers, but they got a pretty good player in the Callahan trade, not picks/prospects. Besides the financials, what kind of a message does it send to the remaining players? I just don't see him being moved at the deadline if the Flyers are in. Now? Sure.

 

Is Streit a key piece to this team? No. He's terrible defensively and is a good pp specialist. We have Ghost for that.

 

The Rangers traded Callahan and a 1st  for St. Louis. That's like the opposite of what trading Streit would be.

 

The message sent would be we're getting rid of a declining overpaid almost 40 year old to hopefully get better in the future. This isn't trading Giroux.

[ruxpin]

2 hours ago, flyercanuck said:

 

I disagree rux. This team is still under construction. We need prospects and young players more than a handful of playoff games. if we make the playoffs, that's fine. But you continue with the plan of building a champion. Streit goes. 

I disagree . 

You keep going on with not going to the playoffs in favor of picks , you end up with a culture of not going to the playoffs . 

 

I get what you're saying but there's two parts to this .  1)what management will realistically want.  If they smell potentially two rounds (more if we get 2010 lucky),  they're not sellers at the deadline . 

 

2)The other thing is that you have a bunch of young players.  If you have the chance to get them some playoff experience when the stakes aren't high and they're not expected to do anything , take the opportunity.

 

I think the point might be moot because we apparently don't have any goaltending . 

 

Again,  if i move Steit it's at the deadline unless someone is really overpaying now (Zhitnik/Coburn type situation)  OR  he's somehow in a package for a goalie (not sure that's an appropriate move right now) . 

 

I would trade him at the deadline.  But depending upon positioning at the deadline, I could see management keeping him and there IS some benefit to that . 

[flyercanuck]

6 minutes ago, ruxpin said:

I disagree . 

You keep going on with not going to the playoffs in favor of picks , you end up with a culture of not going to the playoffs . 

 

I get what you're saying but there's two parts to this .  1)what management will realistically want.  If they smell potentially two rounds (more if we get 2010 lucky),  they're not sellers at the deadline . 

 

2)The other thing is that you have a bunch of young players.  If you have the chance to get them some playoff experience when the stakes aren't high and they're not expected to do anything , take the opportunity.

 

I think the point might be moot because we apparently don't have any goaltending . 

 

Again,  if i move Steit it's at the deadline unless someone is really overpaying now (Zhitnik/Coburn type situation)  OR  he's somehow in a package for a goalie (not sure that's an appropriate move right now) . 

 

I would trade him at the deadline.  But depending upon positioning at the deadline, I could see management keeping him and there IS some benefit to that . 

 

Unless our goaltending gets their collective heads out of their arses, this team is either not making the playoffs, or getting humiliated in the 1st round. Either way, Mark Streit will have nothing to do with the "culture" of the team.

 

I mean seriously, does Mark Streit scream winning culture to you?

 

I'm not saying he needs to be traded now, just that he should be dealt by the deadline. He doesn't have much value going forward to the Flyers. Only the delusional would think this is a contending team. He could have value to an actual contender who needs a pp specialist.

[ruxpin]

32 minutes ago, flyercanuck said:

 

Unless our goaltending gets their collective heads out of their arses, this team is either not making the playoffs, or getting humiliated in the 1st round. Either way, Mark Streit will have nothing to do with the "culture" of the team.

 

I mean seriously, does Mark Streit scream winning culture to you?

 

I'm not saying he needs to be traded now, just that he should be dealt by the deadline. He doesn't have much value going forward to the Flyers. Only the delusional would think this is a contending team. He could have value to an actual contender who needs a pp specialist.

Of course Streit doesn't say "winning culture."  LOL 

 

Every team he's been on has sucked. 

 

But I'm telling you,  if they're in the hunt for the playoffs they don't trade him.  They'll think they have a better chance with than without. 

 

And what i said earlier wasn't about culture anyway.  It was straight up let some of the kids taste the playoffs where there isn't any pressure or expectation. 

 

I highly doubt any of this is relevant, though.  We have no goaltending and a coach that seems to want to pretend that we do. 

[OccamsRazor]

If Streit had any idea how to teach either Ghost or Ivan what to do in his own end i would be more inclined to keep him around till the end however long that is.

 

But like FC has stated he sucks defensively and bring little value to the team.

 

What he does well Ghost or even Sanheim could provide (not say i want Travis up just saying if pressed into action he could look as lost in his own end as Streit).

 

So yes just move him at the deadline...for whatever... a bag of bent pucks even....

[RJ8812]

A culture of not going to the playoffs means nothing if it gets you the draft picks and prospect necessary to build a Stanley Cup Wining team. So many fans out there want this team to make the playoffs just so they can lose in the first round. For myself, I'd be happy if they squeaked into the playoffs, but I'm much more interested in this team making moves to improve their future at this point and if he costs them a early round exit in the playoffs, I'm fine with that and I think Hextall believes the same thing.

 

Trading Streit by the deadline is a must for Hextall no matter where we are in the standings. This team is all about their future, but Streit will not be part of it. Trade him for a piece that has a better chance at helping this team in the future. In fact, every pending UFA we have should be made available, except for maybe Del Zotto (as long as the price is right) and one of our goalies (assuming one of them turns their season around) 

[King Knut]

On 11/5/2016 at 6:59 PM, OccamsRazor said:

Well i guess it will depend on how bad they want to get Mcdud his games needed for the expansion draft.

 

Someone on the blueline under contract for next year has to be exposed....as of now they are Gudas, Manning and Mcdud....Ghost will be getting a new deal...but it won't be him.

 

I think they'll have to expose 2 won't they?  

[ruxpin]

1 hour ago, King Knut said:

 

I think they'll have to expose 2 won't they?  

 

Just one defenseman.

 

Two forwards.

 

One goalie

 

https://www.nhl.com/news/nhl-expansion-draft-rules/c-281010592

[King Knut]

9 minutes ago, ruxpin said:

 

Just one defenseman.

 

Two forwards.

 

One goalie

 

https://www.nhl.com/news/nhl-expansion-draft-rules/c-281010592

 

...If they dont extend MDZ?

...and they won't have a goalie to extend if they don't extend Either Mason or Neuvy. 

 

 

[ruxpin]

8 minutes ago, King Knut said:

and they won't have a goalie to extend if they don't extend Either Mason or Neuvy. 

 

Yeah, I don't know how that part works.  Is that information on the link I posted but didn't fully read?

[AJgoal]

15 minutes ago, King Knut said:

 

...If they dont extend MDZ?

...and they won't have a goalie to extend if they don't extend Either Mason or Neuvy. 

 

 

 

Stolarz.

[King Knut]

11 hours ago, AJgoal said:

 

Stolarz.

Back to to the great minor leaguer debate. 

We're sure he's eligible? 

I've been assured that he is then that he isn't. 

[ruxpin]

3 minutes ago, King Knut said:

Back to to the great minor leaguer debate. 

We're sure he's eligible? 

I've been assured that he is then that he isn't. 

 

I've seen both, too.

 

I hope he is.  Not because I want to lose him, but just because he fills the criteria and it's extremely unlikely he's taken.

[OccamsRazor]

53 minutes ago, King Knut said:

Back to to the great minor leaguer debate. 

We're sure he's eligible? 

I've been assured that he is then that he isn't. 

 

 

Yes he is and more than likely will be protected.

 

Hagg is in the same boat and will need to be protected.

[mojo1917]

When we're talking picks and prospects and building a champion that is all fine in a vacuum. 

 

In the real world , picks and prospects don't always work out, okay hypothetically let's  deal Striet at the deadline when we're in the 8th position for the playoffs, but the presumptive #1 seed is a good match up for the Flyers. The deal ; Let's say is with St Louis who is in second place in their division and a middle seed overall who feels like they need some extra offense because of an injury to Kevin Shattenkirk and Jay Bow is playing through some knee issues and the Blues feel like they need someone steady on the 2nd PP...  They offer their 2nd and Yannick Villeux one of their top prospects.  The Flyers are now playing NIck Shultz and Andrew MacDonald nightly and drop from the playoff race. Villieux is near the end of his ELC , spurns the Flyers fair bridge deal offer because he wants to play in Montreal. The Flyers are now left with a second round pick, a low one, another year out of the tournament all together and they have a 50% chance of the player left from the trade making the team in 3 years....  The young guys in the org, think , heck we could beat those Caps/ Pens/Lighting  if Hexy doesn't deal Striet , and start to wonder about the Flyers" gold standard culture".  With these young kids anything can happen there isn't a linear trajectory that says get picks and you'll win.

So for me; if the Flyers are in position to get into the tournament they need to make that happen, even if only so IP and TK can see what the real NHL game is all about when they're young, so they can learn how to prepare themselves for when **** gets real.

 

Chip Kelly did have some wisdom when he talked about Culture trumping scheme.   If a player come to a place where it's expected to play in the tournament rather than a cool that that happens every other year, that player will feel a need to raise his game to meet the expectation. He was most likely talking about the stinkin' NE Patriots when he was talking about it, That organization wins.  There is a type of player they seek who fits the culture.  They get them from everywhere.

 

[King Knut]

On 11/5/2016 at 11:10 PM, OccamsRazor said:

 

Fixed it for you....

 

I think if you're only offered a 4th rounder for Streit, you pass and try to make the playoffs and earn a few extra bucks for the organization.

 

But there should be offers and they should be for at least a second.  The dude is still scoring and come playoff time, that will be extremely valuable.  

[King Knut]

5 hours ago, mojo1917 said:

When we're talking picks and prospects and building a champion that is all fine in a vacuum. 

 

In the real world , picks and prospects don't always work out, okay hypothetically let's  deal Striet at the deadline when we're in the 8th position for the playoffs, but the presumptive #1 seed is a good match up for the Flyers. The deal ; Let's say is with St Louis who is in second place in their division and a middle seed overall who feels like they need some extra offense because of an injury to Kevin Shattenkirk and Jay Bow is playing through some knee issues and the Blues feel like they need someone steady on the 2nd PP...  They offer their 2nd and Yannick Villeux one of their top prospects.  The Flyers are now playing NIck Shultz and Andrew MacDonald nightly and drop from the playoff race. Villieux is near the end of his ELC , spurns the Flyers fair bridge deal offer because he wants to play in Montreal. The Flyers are now left with a second round pick, a low one, another year out of the tournament all together and they have a 50% chance of the player left from the trade making the team in 3 years....  The young guys in the org, think , heck we could beat those Caps/ Pens/Lighting  if Hexy doesn't deal Striet , and start to wonder about the Flyers" gold standard culture".  With these young kids anything can happen there isn't a linear trajectory that says get picks and you'll win.

So for me; if the Flyers are in position to get into the tournament they need to make that happen, even if only so IP and TK can see what the real NHL game is all about when they're young, so they can learn how to prepare themselves for when **** gets real.

 

Chip Kelly did have some wisdom when he talked about Culture trumping scheme.   If a player come to a place where it's expected to play in the tournament rather than a cool that that happens every other year, that player will feel a need to raise his game to meet the expectation. He was most likely talking about the stinkin' NE Patriots when he was talking about it, That organization wins.  There is a type of player they seek who fits the culture.  They get them from everywhere.

 

 

There's always the possibility that the team plays better without him and that the advantage to moving him has as much to do with him not fitting into their system anymore and getting to play Morin or Sanheim as much as it does the return they get for him.

 

Again, not quite, but there's something to the idea that what he brings isn't what this team needs right now or long term.

 

THey'll take what they can get from him while he's here for sure.  But right now, I think we all agree that despite his offensive numbers (he's literally won us games after all) The Flyers might be winning more with a different type of D man to play along side the likes of Provo and Ghost.  

[mojo1917]

@King Knut

 

I can certainly agree Striet isn't in the long term plans, and there are better players to be on ice mentors.  I will say he's a steady guy and a pro's pro so he isn't a total waste as mentor.

[King Knut]

3 minutes ago, mojo1917 said:

@King Knut

 

I can certainly agree Striet isn't in the long term plans, and there are better players to be on ice mentors.  I will say he's a steady guy and a pro's pro so he isn't a total waste as mentor.

 

 

yeah, I don't think I even mean as a mentor, I meant more as a skill complement.  I have no issues with Streit, his leadership or his skill set, I just think we all know that Ghost, Provo, Sanheim are the Streits of the future and they need complementary partners to better accentuate their talents and help prevent teams from exploiting their weaknesses as opposed to a Streit who has a skill set too similar to their own.  

 

Essentially, while Streit may steal a few wins here and there, right now this team would be better with a different guy back there.