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Goalies... Dubnyk & Stalock

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On 1/11/2019 at 5:32 PM, ClusterChuck said:

Goalie comparison with Dubnyk and Hellebuyck prior to last game .

 Hellebuyck (19-12-1)  2.86GAA  .909%SP

 Dubnyk (16-14-3)  2.56GAA  .915%SP  

Jets on doorstep for 1st while we're trying for a PO spot.

Not a goalie problem here in the state of Hockey.

(*Not saying we're perfectly fine in that dept, Just not the issue currently)

 

Chuck, there are all kind of stats to compare. Come the playoffs...

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On 12/18/2018 at 2:44 AM, CreaseAndAssist said:

Want a killer stat about Dubnyk?  Killer as in bad, Dubnyk is 44th out of 48 NHL goaltenders in 3rd period save percentage..sub .900%.  He needs to sit more...

Probably didn't improve that stat against the Wings: 8 SOG, 2 GA...

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@Hockey-78 Oh I know how Dubnyk's stats are along with the overall team come playoff time.

The only thing I was going for with my comparison of Dub and Hell was to show their stats ( up to the game date ) while then seeing where the teams were in the standings.

This told me that our problem wasn't in goal (by that comparison). 

Again, Not saying Dubnyk is fine, But that comparison could have been Stalock, Kuemper, or Backstrom, It doesn't matter who.  

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1 hour ago, ClusterChuck said:

@Hockey-78 Oh I know how Dubnyk's stats are along with the overall team come playoff time.

The only thing I was going for with my comparison of Dub and Hell was to show their stats ( up to the game date ) while then seeing where the teams were in the standings.

This told me that our problem wasn't in goal (by that comparison). 

Again, Not saying Dubnyk is fine, But that comparison could have been Stalock, Kuemper, or Backstrom, It doesn't matter who.  

Relax Chuck. 🙂My point was there are all kind of stats. Based on some stats Dubnyk probably doesn't stand out as a regular season problem. It's the grand scheme of things that's wrong, both with him and this organization's decisions to manage the goalie situation. I don't have to compare his stats to anyone. His history and failure to pass (my) eye test is enough for me.

 

I really don't understand why people have such difficulties to digest different opinions in here. Express, argument and tolerate'em. Even Patrick Roy has divided opinions, a lot.

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On 1/12/2019 at 12:50 PM, Fargocase said:

Some comparisons are a lot more reasonable.  Some can be absurd.

That's why stats are for losers

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On ‎1‎/‎11‎/‎2019 at 8:16 PM, IllaZilla said:

I don’t think they’ll have to spend a ton on Kahkonen. The big lynch pin is the offense. Every single year the offense goes in the tank around the Holidays. This more or less forces the coach to overplay Dubnyk to stay in the Playoff hunt.

Part of the problem is the owner. He wants to win a Cup. Now. So in order to get into the Playoffs, you need to play the goaltender that will give you the best chance of making it into the Playoffs. And that ain’t Stalock. So the coach is under pressure to get into the Playoffs. If the offense isn’t scoring, you have to play the goaltender that will allow the least amount of goals. Again, that ain’t Stalock. If the offense could keep scoring on a regular basis, it probably would allow the coach to play the backup more. But because the offense goes in the tank every Holiday season it forces the coach to overplay Dubnyk, because the owner wants to be into the Playoffs in order to get a Cup. It’s a vicious cycle that won’t stop until the owner recognizes that he doesn’t have a great team. He’s got a good team, but not a great team. 

Perfectly said. The Wild are really a bad mix right now. A owner who wanted to buy a cup and wants it now and wiling to mortgage the future. Issue being is we have no real game changers or players able to take a slumping team on his shoulders and carry them. Now the "key players" are getting into their twilight of their careers with contracts we can't move. We given up on young talent who went elsewhere and take the next step on another team. Guys that should have been at least serviceable are going in full speed in reverse. They are a good team who is a WC contender but not a great team who can make the deep run. And it's really put the Wild in a bad spot. Drafting isn't good and part of that is due to where we pick in the draft. And the most frustrating thing is our Owner is so blinded by the want to win and so stubborn that he sees making the playoffs as us on the edge of breaking through so he refuses to allow anything but minor changes. I think the only way any major change happens is if the Wild miss the playoffs a couple years in a row.

 

On ‎1‎/‎12‎/‎2019 at 1:23 AM, Lonkkis said:

Interesting read, especially the part of Cup-winning goalies average about 46 games starts during regular season.

 

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Basically this article completely counters what the Wild are doing. Only one time since 2009 has a goalie had 60 games in a season and gone in to win the Cup. And Dubnyks comment makes me extremely worried.

"It's probably good for the body and mind to be at that 60-game mark," he said. "I don't think I'm going to sit here and tell you that I felt way better in one scenario than I did the other."

This points to it appears Dubnyk is making the decision to play and not the coaching staff. And since the 2015-16 season Dubnyk has played at least 60 games in the regular season and the Wild were first round punching bags. Dubnyk has had a total of 4 wins in all these playoff games since then. His save percentage overall drops in the playoffs. His first season he got 4 playoff wins for us and only played 39 games in the regular season before we ran into the Wild's Kryptonite, Blackhawks. And right now we are looking at Dubnyk playing another 60 and it's very possible we don't make the playoffs. The Wild need some major change.

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20 hours ago, Hockey-78 said:

Relax Chuck. 🙂My point was there are all kind of stats. Based on some stats Dubnyk probably doesn't stand out as a regular season problem. It's the grand scheme of things that's wrong, both with him and this organization's decisions to manage the goalie situation. I don't have to compare his stats to anyone. His history and failure to pass (my) eye test is enough for me.

 

I really don't understand why people have such difficulties to digest different opinions in here. Express, argument and tolerate'em. Even Patrick Roy has divided opinions, a lot.

Lol, No problems, I just thought my original post was misinterpreted. That's all. 

I'm here for different info, Ideas and opinions and the discussions.

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      Not hate agenda for him but hate agenda for riding him into the ground so if they do make it to the playoffs he is exhausted and not going to look good. On top of it the back up just sits and rusts for a good 3 weeks if not longer. It does nobody any good and rust does happen from not playing any games. Take any player and have them sit for 2 to 3 weeks with only practice and you will see rust.   I also think it's foolish of BB if he does in fact just base his decision on if a guy will actually say he isn't ready. These guys are pro and very few if any will ever say they are not good to go. You got to rest them once and awhile and give the back up a few games every few weeks to keep your starter fresh. Look at those guys they started Dubs and within the first 10 minutes he is pulled cause he is playing so poorly. If it's true he asked Dubnyk if he was good to go then that is a huge error on a veteran coach.
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      A UFA, making about the same that Stalock is making now (both sub 700K), 4 years younger than our current backup, he nonetheless, has put up better numbers and that is working behind a Pittsburgh defense that has lots of holes in it.

      If he can be convinced to come over, maybe give the 27 yr old double his current salary (something in the 3yr, 1.5-1.7M per range) to be Dubnyk's backup, I think Duby's workload can be reduced enough to keep him fresh, while still playing the lion's share of games, but I rather like DeSmith to not only not miss a beat having Dubnyk sit, but even push Duby for the starter job.

      Good healthy goalie competition for ice time isn't necessarily a bad thing. I don't think Stalock can push Dubnyk the way a guy like DeSmith possibly can.   Here is a quick comparison of Stalock and DeSmith this season (I even threw in Devan Dubnyk for further comparison)

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      I would think a 1 out 3 ratio for staylok would be about right. That's pretty close to what they're doing.

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