Jam1986 Posted February 10, 2019 Share Posted February 10, 2019 Just got reading The Hockey News. Seattle will have the same draft like LV. So who do we keep? I know a year away just for fun. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OccamsRazor Posted February 10, 2019 Share Posted February 10, 2019 Protect: Hart Giroux Patrick Konecny Couturier Lindblom Vorobyev Rubtsov Ivan Sanheim Ghost Not sure if they will have to protect Myers if they do then Ghost will be the odd man out. But they could more than likely work out some trades with Seattle to not take certain players. And i believe they are required to expose 10% of their team salary which Jake and JVR's salary will come in handy. I may have missed over looked something. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyercanuck Posted February 10, 2019 Share Posted February 10, 2019 Please take JVR! Please take JVR! Please take JVR! 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elmatus Posted February 10, 2019 Share Posted February 10, 2019 (edited) I really hope Fletch gets some good trades in rather than lose talent away for nothing. Somehow I doubt he'll make the truly impactful ones we probably need though. Some options for them (the save eight route): Giroux Couturier TK Patrick Provorov Sanheim Ghost Myers Hart Hopefully Fletch would have the good sense to trade away Voracek before Seattle plucks him. I do think we could get a very nice return for him in a trade. Assuming he would, JVR would seem the most likely candidate to go, which I'm fine with. If somehow Fletch can trade both of those guys, I figure we'd probably lose Lindblom or Gudas. Losing Lindblom would suck, but there's only so much we can do. The seven and three split (imo the most likely scenario barring a trade right now): Giroux Couturier TK Patrick Voracek Lindblom JVR Provorov Sanheim Ghost Hart If Myers shows some serious promise in the next bit, I would probably dangle Ghost in a trade and keep Myers instead. I think Sanheim will be better, and I'd rather see what Myers can become before we lose him. If the above list is saved, I can see Seattle taking a flier on Myers. If they need depth, Laughton could be their pick here as well. This list is pretty much what I expect will be kept honestly. My guess is Myers or Laughton will be lost to the draft. It would also be possible to dangle either Voracek or JVR and keep Laughton, but I don't know that Fletch will go for that. Laughton is a solid depth player, but he's nothing more than that. As much as Voracek and JVR are not my favs, we don't currently have other players to replace them in the top six (aside from a bunch of essentially unproven prospects from much weaker leagues). If he goes this route, I'd much rather he trade whichever of the two he's not going to protect. Again, get something for em at least. Edited February 10, 2019 by elmatus Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OccamsRazor Posted February 10, 2019 Share Posted February 10, 2019 2 minutes ago, elmatus said: Hopefully Fletch would have the good sense to trade away Voracek before Seattle plucks him. See the catch here I think is about exposing 10% of your salary so Jake may be needed for that Jake and JVR together would make up what 15mill+ on a 75 mill cap. The will need another good contract to make that work. So unfortunately Jake needs to stay to make it work. Unless you have another bloated contract to throw in there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elmatus Posted February 10, 2019 Share Posted February 10, 2019 2 minutes ago, OccamsRazor said: See the catch here I think is about exposing 10% of your salary so Jake may be needed for that Jake and JVR together would make up what 15mill+ on a 75 mill cap. The will need another good contract to make that work. So unfortunately Jake needs to stay to make it work. Unless you have another bloated contract to throw in there. I didn't know there was such a rule. How does it work exactly? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OccamsRazor Posted February 10, 2019 Share Posted February 10, 2019 1 hour ago, elmatus said: I didn't know there was such a rule. How does it work exactly? I think IIRC you have expose at least 10% of your total cap expenditure. Maybe someone here can verify that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jam1986 Posted February 11, 2019 Author Share Posted February 11, 2019 So Flyers get on the bad side. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJgoal Posted February 13, 2019 Share Posted February 13, 2019 Don't make trades in fear of losing a player for nothing during the expansion draft. You're going to lose a player no matter what. Accept it. Make a deal with Seattle directly if you really have to save someone, but you're more likely to hurt yourself than help if you trade players for the sake of not losing them for nothing. If it's a hockey trade that somehow nets you a player that's exempt, that's something else entirely. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Knut Posted February 14, 2019 Share Posted February 14, 2019 On 2/9/2019 at 9:02 PM, OccamsRazor said: Protect: Hart Giroux Patrick Konecny Couturier Lindblom Vorobyev Rubtsov Ivan Sanheim Ghost Not sure if they will have to protect Myers if they do then Ghost will be the odd man out. But they could more than likely work out some trades with Seattle to not take certain players. And i believe they are required to expose 10% of their team salary which Jake and JVR's salary will come in handy. I may have missed over looked something. The real question I have is guys like Frost and anyone else who makes the team out of camp next fall. They will technically have completed two years of pro hockey at that point. Are they still automatically protected or do the Flyers have to use a protection spot for them? I forget how that works. It's different for position players than it is for goalies. I think position players require more actual NHL games than goalies do? I wouldn't worry about Rubstov and probably not Vorobyev because I expect that they will sign someone this off season that we'll want to protect more. I'm still not convinced Ghost is going to be a Flyer by then and either way, it is concievable that Myers may earn his spot. No matter what, if nothing changes too drastically on the roster, the FLyers are almost 100% going to lose a defenseman. It will either be Ghost, Myers, Morin or a vet they might sign between then and now (like Tyler Myers). It's possible Sandstrom or even Ustimenko may prove themselves irresistible over the next two years, but if I'm betting, my guess is neither will see enough NHL time to make them more desirable than one of the D men the flyers will be unable to protect at that point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OccamsRazor Posted February 14, 2019 Share Posted February 14, 2019 (edited) 7 minutes ago, King Knut said: The real question I have is guys like Frost and anyone else who makes the team out of camp next fall. No those guys will be safe Frost and the ones still in juniors this year. Rubtsov and Vorobyev won't be safe. But there will be some that get exposed. Edited February 14, 2019 by OccamsRazor playoffs or bust Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Knut Posted February 14, 2019 Share Posted February 14, 2019 On 2/9/2019 at 8:19 PM, Jam1986 said: Just got reading The Hockey News. Seattle will have the same draft like LV. So who do we keep? I know a year away just for fun. Two years away. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Knut Posted February 14, 2019 Share Posted February 14, 2019 On 2/10/2019 at 10:08 AM, OccamsRazor said: See the catch here I think is about exposing 10% of your salary so Jake may be needed for that Jake and JVR together would make up what 15mill+ on a 75 mill cap. The will need another good contract to make that work. So unfortunately Jake needs to stay to make it work. Unless you have another bloated contract to throw in there. I'm honestly not worried about Jake. He will be 31-32 with 3 years left on an $8.5 million contract. If he's still producing well enough for Seattle to take him, there will be other forwards available via Free agency, but with any luck, the Flyers would be shifting his salary to a long term deal for Hart or Provo or Sanheim. I'm one of the few people on this board who actually don't want Jake traded, but it's my hope that with the cap space available between now and then, Fletcher will have brought in a Stone and or Panarin. If it comes to it, on 7/1/21, Fletcher (if he's still around) could be looking at signing a 28 year old UFA Landeskog. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OccamsRazor Posted August 13, 2019 Share Posted August 13, 2019 (edited) BUMP!!!!!!! EXPANSION PLAN: PROJECTING THE PHILADELPHIA FLYERS’ PROTECTION LIST FOR THE 2021 EXPANSION DRAFT https://thehockeynews.com/news/article/expansion-plan-projecting-the-philadelphia-flyers-protection-list-for-the-2021-expansion-draft Hart Giroux Patrick Konecny Couturier Lindblom Hayes Rubtsov Ivan Sanheim Myers I'm going with this. I know they have to expose 10% of their salary and Jake + JVR + Ghost would be 19.75 mill and go a long way in making that happen. Edited August 13, 2019 by OccamsRazor Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
notfondajane Posted August 13, 2019 Share Posted August 13, 2019 On 2/9/2019 at 9:02 PM, OccamsRazor said: Protect: Hart Giroux Patrick Konecny Couturier Lindblom Vorobyev Rubtsov Ivan Sanheim Ghost Not sure if they will have to protect Myers if they do then Ghost will be the odd man out. But they could more than likely work out some trades with Seattle to not take certain players. And i believe they are required to expose 10% of their team salary which Jake and JVR's salary will come in handy. I may have missed over looked something. I little surprised that you would protect Giroux! I didn't think he was a favorite among Flyers fans. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
notfondajane Posted August 13, 2019 Share Posted August 13, 2019 11 hours ago, OccamsRazor said: BUMP!!!!!!! EXPANSION PLAN: PROJECTING THE PHILADELPHIA FLYERS’ PROTECTION LIST FOR THE 2021 EXPANSION DRAFT https://thehockeynews.com/news/article/expansion-plan-projecting-the-philadelphia-flyers-protection-list-for-the-2021-expansion-draft Hart Giroux Patrick Konecny Couturier Lindblom Hayes Rubtsov Ivan Sanheim Myers I'm going with this. I know they have to expose 10% of their salary and Jake + JVR + Ghost would be 19.75 mill and go a long way in making that happen. Why not protect Ghost? I thought Giroux was paid more? Ghost would be in his 3rd year this coming season I think. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyercanuck Posted August 13, 2019 Share Posted August 13, 2019 12 hours ago, OccamsRazor said: BUMP!!!!!!! EXPANSION PLAN: PROJECTING THE PHILADELPHIA FLYERS’ PROTECTION LIST FOR THE 2021 EXPANSION DRAFT https://thehockeynews.com/news/article/expansion-plan-projecting-the-philadelphia-flyers-protection-list-for-the-2021-expansion-draft Hart Giroux Patrick Konecny Couturier Lindblom Hayes Rubtsov Ivan Sanheim Myers I'm going with this. I know they have to expose 10% of their salary and Jake + JVR + Ghost would be 19.75 mill and go a long way in making that happen. I'd trade Ghost long before I'd give him up to Seattle. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OccamsRazor Posted August 13, 2019 Share Posted August 13, 2019 24 minutes ago, flyercanuck said: I'd trade Ghost long before I'd give him up to Seattle. Oh absolutely i am not giving Seattle anything like that talent wise...no sir...i hate it Ghost but he would be sent somewhere before he is plucked for nothing like to Chicago for Adam Boqvist...( just for an example)... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elmatus Posted August 13, 2019 Share Posted August 13, 2019 13 hours ago, OccamsRazor said: Jake + JVR + Ghost would be 19.75 mill and go a long way in making that happen. I think one of JVR or Voracek will be exposed but not both. They don’t need to expose both to satisfy the salary requirement. Just one would do it. And as you mentioned, Ghost is easily tradable over losing him outright. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OccamsRazor Posted August 13, 2019 Share Posted August 13, 2019 1 minute ago, elmatus said: I think one of JVR or Voracek will be exposed but not both. Sure but this upcoming season will tell us a lot i think JVR may have more value for the Flyers since he may actually hit 30+ goals this year compared to Jake's regular 20. It will more than likely be one of the two. And how soon they can replace one of them in the lineup the following season. You have Farabee ready to go by then at LW and maybe Allison at RW. We'll know more later this season will be huge in going forward with the plan....maybe a kid like Frost is ready for the 3rd line center spot and you more Hayes into the 2nd line RW spot. It's only a issue if say they actually take Jake then what...no matter i hope they don't give away any good talent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elmatus Posted August 13, 2019 Share Posted August 13, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, OccamsRazor said: Sure but this upcoming season will tell us a lot i think JVR may have more value for the Flyers since he may actually hit 30+ goals this year compared to Jake's regular 20. It will more than likely be one of the two. And how soon they can replace one of them in the lineup the following season. You have Farabee ready to go by then at LW and maybe Allison at RW. We'll know more later this season will be huge in going forward with the plan....maybe a kid like Frost is ready for the 3rd line center spot and you more Hayes into the 2nd line RW spot. It's only a issue if say they actually take Jake then what...no matter i hope they don't give away any good talent. Yeah, a lot is up in the air. I think it's probably a bit much to expect any rookie to come in and produce at that level right away though. As much as we crap on JVR and Voracek here, they are both productive top six NHL forwards with solid career numbers all around. I certainly hope one some of our kiddos get to that level, but I don't think it's very likely Frost or Farabee are going to score 60-70pts as NHL rookies. Hayes is a known commodity as far as offensive acumen is concerned. I wouldn't place much money on him becoming a replacement for Voracek or JVR any time soon. It's far more likely he gets displaced to 3C over the next year or two imo. The other option worth noting of course is what happens at the deadline if the team is actually playing well and looking at a playoff spot (i.e. not just fighting on the bubble). At that point, Fletch may be reluctant to trade Ghost away. If Ghost has a good year under new coaching and thrives, this convo could get even more daunting going into next off-season. Edited August 13, 2019 by elmatus Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OccamsRazor Posted August 13, 2019 Share Posted August 13, 2019 12 minutes ago, elmatus said: I think it's probably a bit much to expect any rookie to come in and produce at that level right away though. All I would expect is for someone to plug the 3rd line winger hole and go from there. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Poconono Posted August 14, 2019 Share Posted August 14, 2019 Giroux has a NMC so he can't be exposed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OccamsRazor Posted August 14, 2019 Share Posted August 14, 2019 On 8/13/2019 at 9:29 AM, notfondajane said: I little surprised that you would protect Giroux! I didn't think he was a favorite among Flyers fans. Sure phlfly hates him but that is all I can think of off the top of my head. Since he has switched to LW only one other winger has put up more points than him. (Kucherov) Giroux ain't going anywhere. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoachX Posted August 16, 2019 Share Posted August 16, 2019 (edited) On 2/10/2019 at 8:03 AM, elmatus said: , I figure we'd probably lose Lindblom or Gudas. Im all for losing Gudas If Fletch can get them to take him, everyone here will laud him a genius Edited August 16, 2019 by CoachX Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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