MaineFlyFan Posted March 2, 2022 Share Posted March 2, 2022 53 minutes ago, radoran said: That said, the talented team still needs to put out work and effort on a relatively consistent basis. So what happens when you have an un-talanted team that is ANYTHING but consistent in any aspect of the game of hockey. Asking for a friend....(named Dave Scott.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
radoran Posted March 2, 2022 Share Posted March 2, 2022 2 minutes ago, MaineFlyFan said: So what happens when you have an un-talanted team that is ANYTHING but consistent in any aspect of the game of hockey. They get overjoyed by beating the Capitals and then get shut out by an undermanned Oilers team and say things like "we deserved better" during a six game losing streak. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyercanuck Posted March 2, 2022 Share Posted March 2, 2022 58 minutes ago, radoran said: They get overjoyed by beating the Capitals and then get shut out by an undermanned Oilers team and say things like "we deserved better" during a six game losing streak. Don't forget We don't need to rebuild...we're just a little tweak away from a cup Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
radoran Posted March 2, 2022 Share Posted March 2, 2022 10 minutes ago, flyercanuck said: Don't forget We don't need to rebuild...we're just a little tweak away from a cup Ol' Fletch has said they need to add "two or three" highly skilled players. He hasn't indicated how that's likely to happen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyercanuck Posted March 2, 2022 Share Posted March 2, 2022 5 minutes ago, radoran said: Ol' Fletch has said they need to add "two or three" highly skilled players. He hasn't indicated how that's likely to happen. Ya, if we could get McDavid, Draisaitl and Makar, we could be decent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
radoran Posted March 2, 2022 Share Posted March 2, 2022 7 minutes ago, flyercanuck said: Ya, if we could get McDavid, Draisaitl and Makar, we could be decent. I'd settle for Aho, deBrincat, and Heiskanen... McDavid and Draisaitl have as many playoff round wins as the Flyers over the course of their careers and are currently just over the playoff bubble ahead of Dallas and Anaheim... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyercanuck Posted March 2, 2022 Share Posted March 2, 2022 Just now, radoran said: I'd settle for Aho, deBrincat, and Heiskanen... McDavid and Draisaitl have as many playoff round wins as the Flyers over the course of their careers and are currently just over the playoff bubble ahead of Dallas and Anaheim... Sure, cause management can't find anyone else to make up a team. They'd fit right in on Philly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Howie58 Posted March 2, 2022 Author Share Posted March 2, 2022 2 hours ago, radoran said: "Hard work" and "effort" don't in and of themselves makes "success." A less talented team can work hard and beat a more talented team, but over the course of 82 games - or in most seven game series - the more talented team will win more often. That said, the talented team still needs to put out work and effort on a relatively consistent basis. From my old and tired eyes, our last truly "heroic" series was the seven-game loss to Tampa Bay in 2003-04. We were clearly outgunned but the team fought gallantly. Our poor performance in the "skills competition"--we are about .333, correct....says a lot about the kind of people we have drafted and trained the last 15 years. Sad! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
radoran Posted March 2, 2022 Share Posted March 2, 2022 1 minute ago, flyercanuck said: Sure, cause management can't find anyone else to make up a team. And, of course, those two guys make up 25.7% of the Oilers' cap... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyercanuck Posted March 2, 2022 Share Posted March 2, 2022 (edited) 2 minutes ago, radoran said: And, of course, those two guys make up 25.7% of the Oilers' cap... And are the top 2 scorers in the entire league. Meanwhile we have JVR Hayes and Ellis taking up our cap with a combined 34 points. Edited March 2, 2022 by flyercanuck Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
radoran Posted March 2, 2022 Share Posted March 2, 2022 2 minutes ago, flyercanuck said: And are the top 2 scorers in the entire league. And are on the playoff bubble just ahead of Dallas and Anaheim. #serve #volley The point is that all of those points aren't meaning very much and with two guys taking up a quarter of a team's cap space, it can be hard to "make up a team" around them. It is, of course, not all their fault... #notalltheirfault Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OccamsRazor Posted March 2, 2022 Share Posted March 2, 2022 9 minutes ago, Howie58 said: We were clearly outgunned but the team fought gallantly. They were outgunned because the defense was a mash unit...not many teams could have beat the Bolts with the injuries they had and it still almost happened. That Bruins comeback is one of favorites of all times still though in 2010. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Howie58 Posted March 2, 2022 Author Share Posted March 2, 2022 1 minute ago, OccamsRazor said: They were outgunned because the defense was a mash unit...not many teams could have beat the Bolts with the injuries they had and it still almost happened. That Bruins comeback is one of favorites of all times still though in 2010. Can't argue that....another good example. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyercanuck Posted March 2, 2022 Share Posted March 2, 2022 4 minutes ago, radoran said: And are on the playoff bubble just ahead of Dallas and Anaheim. #serve #volley The point is that all of those points aren't meaning very much and with two guys taking up a quarter of a team's cap space, it can be hard to "make up a team" around them. It is, of course, not all their fault... #notalltheirfault I don't think there's a problem with your highest paid players when they're your top scorers (or the leagues for that matter). But if your idiot management pays guys like they're top players and they're 15th...on your team, THAT is a problem. Or if they can't find other players who are any good. I mean after those two, the next highest Oiler has not even HALF the points. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OccamsRazor Posted March 2, 2022 Share Posted March 2, 2022 6 minutes ago, radoran said: The point is that all of those points aren't meaning very much and with two guys taking up a quarter of a team's cap space Yeah maybe they should trade one of them for a king's ransom. Wonder what it would cost the Flyers for Draisaitl asking for a friend... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JR Ewing Posted March 2, 2022 Share Posted March 2, 2022 (edited) 10 minutes ago, radoran said: And are on the playoff bubble just ahead of Dallas and Anaheim. #serve #volley The point is that all of those points aren't meaning very much and with two guys taking up a quarter of a team's cap space, it can be hard to "make up a team" around them. It is, of course, not all their fault... #notalltheirfault The issue isn't so much the cap space spent on those two, but the $3.1M on deadcap/buyout contracts, and the $31M spent on Duncan Keith, Tyson Barrie, Zach Kassian, and Mikko Koskinen. Edited March 2, 2022 by JR Ewing 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
radoran Posted March 2, 2022 Share Posted March 2, 2022 16 minutes ago, JR Ewing said: The issue isn't so much the cap space spent on those two, but the $3.1M on deadcap/buyout contracts, and the $31M spent on Duncan Keith, Tyson Barrie, Zach Kassian, and Mikko Koskinen. Sure #notalltheirfault But having contracts like that can make it harder to overcome others. I fully expect the Oil to be more competitive than the Flyers over the next five years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyercanuck Posted March 2, 2022 Share Posted March 2, 2022 15 minutes ago, radoran said: Sure #notalltheirfault But having contracts like that can make it harder to overcome others. I fully expect the Oil to be more competitive than the Flyers over the next five years. I'll say this Captain Obvious statement...I'd rather pay McDavid and Draisaitl, and at least have them to watch, than pay JVR, Hayes and Ellis to do absolutely nothing. And yes, Ellis can't help his injury. An issue that wouldn't surprise me the entire NHL knew about other than Flyers Wile. E Coyote Genius front office. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RonJeremy Posted March 2, 2022 Share Posted March 2, 2022 1 hour ago, radoran said: Ol' Fletch has said they need to add "two or three" highly skilled players. He hasn't indicated how that's likely to happen. Guarantee they go after Gadreau. Even though he's the kind of player that a team who is one piece away should sign. We need to get young up and coming players, not older fading players. We already have more than enough of those. If you don't bottom out and get multiple lottery picks to build around, then you have to go old school Flyers and build a balanced hardworking team that wins more by team play and determination than pure skill, just like the 85-87 Flyers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OccamsRazor Posted March 2, 2022 Share Posted March 2, 2022 25 minutes ago, RonJeremy said: Guarantee they go after Gadreau. Even though he's the kind of player that a team who is one piece away should sign. We need to get young up and coming players, not older fading players. We already have more than enough of those. If you don't bottom out and get multiple lottery picks to build around, then you have to go old school Flyers and build a balanced hardworking team that wins more by team play and determination than pure skill, just like the 85-87 Flyers. I would take Johnny Hockey because that would certainly mean they can't afford Risto and he walks or is traded. Sure he is a kid prospect and all but as we stated many times it is noise they are going to blow it up any ways. So yeah WTF is it going to hurt I do not want any part of Risto going forward. But that could all change once I see Johnny's contract. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
radoran Posted March 2, 2022 Share Posted March 2, 2022 49 minutes ago, flyercanuck said: I'll say this Captain Obvious statement...I'd rather pay McDavid and Draisaitl, and at least have them to watch, than pay JVR, Hayes and Ellis to do absolutely nothing. As would I, obviously. But just having a boatload of 1/2 overall picks hasn't worked out for Edmonton yet. Much less Buffalo. It worked out for Pittsburgh so everyone's been chasing that dragon. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyercanuck Posted March 2, 2022 Share Posted March 2, 2022 4 minutes ago, OccamsRazor said: I would take Johnny Hockey because that would certainly mean they can't afford Risto and he walks or is traded. Those who fail to learn from history.... This is exactly the kind of contract we need to STOP doing. Guy ending his prime years, looking for his last big payday and term to run out his career. In years 4, 5, 6, 7 you'll hate it as much as every other one we've got just like this. I mean would I take him over Ristolainen? Sure. But doing yet another stupid thing just so we don't do a different stupid thing? And we wonder why we can't get past mediocre. Cause we keep doing the exact same stupid **** over and over. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
radoran Posted March 2, 2022 Share Posted March 2, 2022 36 minutes ago, RonJeremy said: Guarantee they go after Gadreau. I guarantee they "go after" any top level FA on the market. The Flames are hot to keep Gaudreau. I'll wager the Flyers chase Gaudreau and catch Filip Forsberg... 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
radoran Posted March 2, 2022 Share Posted March 2, 2022 1 minute ago, flyercanuck said: Cause we keep doing the exact same stupid **** over and over. "It's the way we've always done things." - Dave Scott Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyercanuck Posted March 2, 2022 Share Posted March 2, 2022 1 minute ago, radoran said: As would I, obviously. But just having a boatload of 1/2 overall picks hasn't worked out for Edmonton yet. Much less Buffalo. It worked out for Pittsburgh so everyone's been chasing that dragon. Oilers hit well on 2 guys. Not so much on the rest. Buffalo has yet to hit on 1. Pens hit on 3 and filled in around them. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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