Wild Deadline Watch

[Icechipper]

I'll kick this off: Credible news outlets say Wild looking at Philly's James Van Riemsdyk. He's on expiring contract but better yet he's 6'3, 210-pound scorer. Shoots left.

 

Personally, I'd say go for it if he's healthy, pick or lower prospect....

[Buffalo Rick]

21 minutes ago, Icechipper said:

I'll kick this off: Credible news outlets say Wild looking at Philly's James Van Riemsdyk. He's on expiring contract but better yet he's 6'3, 210-pound scorer. Shoots left.

 

Personally, I'd say go for it if he's healthy, pick or lower prospect....

The Wild seem to have dropped off from their previous good play of earlier?  Last night a beatdown in Dallas and tonight the Golden Knights and Eichel come in playing well.  I have to take Vegas.  I hope the Wild fix their problems.  I think they are close to being able to take the West. But they likely need a trade.

[Tomdog]

Not having a player like JVR is not this team's issue. 

Getting anything for Greenway and Dumba will be their problem. 

Addison is really proving that right now, he is a PP specialist only.

So the big questions, can they get a right handed D to replace Dumba?

Can they move Greenway to make room for a player like Sammy Walker or Marco Rossi?

Will they ever realize that they Ryan Reeves doesn't scare anyone away from roughing up our talent?

Before Reeves came in they had a decent amount of contribution from the 4th line, now, nothing..

[ClusterChuck]

5 hours ago, Tomdog said:

Not having a player like JVR is not this team's issue. 

Getting anything for Greenway and Dumba will be their problem. 

Addison is really proving that right now, he is a PP specialist only.

So the big questions, can they get a right handed D to replace Dumba?

Can they move Greenway to make room for a player like Sammy Walker or Marco Rossi?

Will they ever realize that they Ryan Reeves doesn't scare anyone away from roughing up our talent?

Before Reeves came in they had a decent amount of contribution from the 4th line, now, nothing..

 I'd be happy with some decent picks for them so then in turn use them along with other players for trades in the summer and next year.
Just 1 experience player signing isn't going to give us a long playoff run with the current group we have.
Too many boat anchors currently.

Edited February 9, 2023 by ClusterChuck

[IllaZilla]

2 hours ago, ClusterChuck said:

 I'd be happy with some decent picks for them so then in turn use them along with other players for trades in the summer and next year.
Just 1 experience player signing isn't going to give us a long playoff run with the current group we have.
Too many boat anchors currently.

 

Looking at what St Louis got for Tarasenko, I think the Wild will be lucky to get a mid- to late round pick for Dumba. Might as well just keep Greenway because probably all they'll get for him is "future considerations"..

 

And I don't think the team has too many boat anchors, I think the team is what it is. Last year they caught lightning in a bottle with all those players having career years. A good chunk of those guys have come back to earth, and this is the current result. I mean the team isn't bad (they are in third place), they're just not great...

[Tomdog]

43 minutes ago, IllaZilla said:

 

Looking at what St Louis got for Tarasenko, I think the Wild will be lucky to get a mid- to late round pick for Dumba. Might as well just keep Greenway because probably all they'll get for him is "future considerations"..

 

And I don't think the team has too many boat anchors, I think the team is what it is. Last year they caught lightning in a bottle with all those players having career years. A good chunk of those guys have come back to earth, and this is the current result. I mean the team isn't bad (they are in third place), they're just not great...

Does keeping Dumba and Greenway block the team from bringing up Walker or Rossi?

If so it may be time to get what they can?

[Icechipper]

Cap and cap hell (Suter and Parise) totally upsets the old one-for-one fun of trade deadlines passed. It's like we're trading paper clips and marbles and moving money on the side. 

[ClusterChuck]

1 hour ago, IllaZilla said:

 

Looking at what St Louis got for Tarasenko, I think the Wild will be lucky to get a mid- to late round pick for Dumba. Might as well just keep Greenway because probably all they'll get for him is "future considerations"..

 

And I don't think the team has too many boat anchors, I think the team is what it is. Last year they caught lightning in a bottle with all those players having career years. A good chunk of those guys have come back to earth, and this is the current result. I mean the team isn't bad (they are in third place), they're just not great...

Oh for sure. But I didn't think having career year meant they used up their entire career points in one season.  Never expected this year Foligno to score as much as last or even Hartman. But now if he stays with Kap-Zucc, He might get things going at a respectable level. Greenway is the boat anchor, He does very little on the ice. His spot is easily replacable. I'd rather have Bjugstad back for his spot. He at least is playing decent.
The other anchor is obviously Dumba. He has to know he has to be traded and is playing with little regard in helping the team win. High liability vs positive play.

[IllaZilla]

1 hour ago, Tomdog said:

Does keeping Dumba and Greenway block the team from bringing up Walker or Rossi?

If so it may be time to get what they can?

Based on what Russo was saying, doesn’t sound like BG has any plans for bringing up Rossi this season. Wants him to keep developing in Iowa. 
 

Maybe moving Greenway would make room for Walker. I know Evason isn’t a fan of Greenway. Who knows. 
 

But I’m not sure bringing up the young guys is going to kickstart the team. I’d rather see the young guys mature in Iowa and maybe make a run in the AHL playoffs than come up here and learn to flame out in the first round…

[Tomdog]

I'm just tired of watching Dumba and Greenway lower their trade value with every game played.

I don't know what happened to Dumba, he's been especialy bad this year.

Greenway just seems to be lazy.

At least when the youngsters from Iowa show up they put out some effort. 

[IllaZilla]

47 minutes ago, Tomdog said:

I'm just tired of watching Dumba and Greenway lower their trade value with every game played.

I don't know what happened to Dumba, he's been especialy bad this year.

Greenway just seems to be lazy.

At least when the youngsters from Iowa show up they put out some effort. 

I’ve never been impressed with Greenway. I always felt he was overrated just because of his size. 
 

It is surprising that Dumba isn’t lighting it up. Usually with contract years players step it up, but you’re right, Dumba’s been a disappointment this year. But I think he’s never been the same since that puke Tkachuk jumped him…

[Tomdog]

I think the broken ribs/sternum really finished him off.

Did that injury affect his skating/ speed?

Either way it has been a sharp dropoff.

[Icechipper]

Brock Boeser other name out there. Obvious UND and Minnesota HS hockey fan appeal there.

[IllaZilla]

They keep playing the way they have been they won't be buying at the deadline...

[Tomdog]

They keep playing like this the only players that anyone would buy will be the ones we don't want to sell.

Plus it would be hard to sell our good players as they are expensive or have nmc or both.

Right now we will have to pay a team to take some of them.

[IllaZilla]

13 hours ago, Icechipper said:

Brock Boeser other name out there. Obvious UND and Minnesota HS hockey fan appeal there.

 

Russo made some comment about the term not working (still has 2 years @ $6.65M left), but from what CapFriendly.com shows, it should work. Particularly if Dumba leaves.

 

But I suppose it depends on what Steel, Duhaime, Shaw, Addison, and Gustavsson are re-signed for...

[Alexandron]

2 hours ago, IllaZilla said:

 

Russo made some comment about the term not working (still has 2 years @ $6.65M left), but from what CapFriendly.com shows, it should work. Particularly if Dumba leaves.

 

But I suppose it depends on what Steel, Duhaime, Shaw, Addison, and Gustavsson are re-signed for...

I would give for Brock Boeser especially if combined with a new promising talent in Vancouver Kuzmenko  our few experienced players Dumba; Greenway, Hartman and Reaves.

[ClusterChuck]

17 hours ago, Tomdog said:

I think the broken ribs/sternum really finished him off.

Did that injury affect his skating/ speed?

Either way it has been a sharp dropoff.

Including his general Hockey IQ for his position??

[Tomdog]

2 hours ago, ClusterChuck said:

Including his general Hockey IQ for his position??

Well that has always been a problem, this year it has just spiraled downhill. 

[Icechipper]

Russo on Barrerio on KFAN

 

1. Greenway likely be traded. Now or at draft.

2. He thinks Wild may waive Steel.

3. Poured cold water on thought of spending a second-round pick for Toews out of Chicago.

4. Poo-pooed idea of getting Boeser.

 

[TropicalFruitGirl26]

41 minutes ago, Icechipper said:

Russo on Barrerio on KFAN

 

1. Greenway likely be traded. Now or at draft.

2. He thinks Wild may waive Steel.

3. Poured cold water on thought of spending a second-round pick for Toews out of Chicago.

4. Poo-pooed idea of getting Boeser.

 

 

Some thoughts:
 

1-- Personally, I am cool with trading Greenway. He could improve his game a bit, or he could be what he is. I just don't see a real high ceiling for him, though he may still have a decent NHL career as a bottom sixer.

2-- Don't like the idea of waiving Steel. Waive a 25 yr old former first rounder who is finally coming into his own as a productive NHL'er AND likely won't cost much to retain past his RFA status AND can slot in anywhere in the top 9? Nah...Wild SHOULD hang onto him, IMO, especially since they are still under the dark Parise-Suter Cap Cloud.

3-- Hmmm...on the one hand, Toews COULD be the type of center who would go perfectly with some combination of Kap/Zucc/Boldy. On the other hand, he likely IS a pure rental and giving up a second, with the team not really considered a serious SC contender could prove to be a mistake. I'm ambivalent here, can see both sides, but if the Wild want to err on the side of caution, perhaps hanging onto their 2nd rounder is more prudent.

4-- Boeser is gonna cost quite a bit to get, gonna hit the cap pretty hard at 6.5M, and if the Wild want to keep him beyond his current contract, in two seasons, he will likely cost a tidy sum to keep.

While he is GREAT when he is scoring, when he isn't, he is pretty much Invisible with a capital "I". Textbook one dimensional player and IMO, the Wild are built as a versatile group. I don't see where he fits properly. I'd pass on him too.

[Tomdog]

I like most of what you said, Greenway could turn it around after he gets his shoulder re-repaired, but I never saw him having as big of an upside as some. 
Steel isn’t the problem, he could play better but he would also be a cheap healthy scratch. 
I’m not on the Toews bandwagon. If you could rent him for a 3rd or a Sam Steel OK, but otherwise, no. 
I do think they need to shake up the lineup. They were much better without Reeves, Greenway and Hartman. 
Boeser is one guy. This team needs more than one guy. 
The Wild really only have 3 dependable defenseman, and one is undersized.

Addison is fine on the PP but defensively may not be any better than Dumba. Merril is a 3rd pair guy. 
And we still need at least a first line center and another center that can reliably win a faceoff. 
Unless Boeser can do all that they will need to spread that money out. 

[CreaseAndAssist]

On 2/9/2023 at 4:28 PM, IllaZilla said:

 

Looking at what St Louis got for Tarasenko, I think the Wild will be lucky to get a mid- to late round pick for Dumba. Might as well just keep Greenway because probably all they'll get for him is "future considerations"..

 

And I don't think the team has too many boat anchors, I think the team is what it is. Last year they caught lightning in a bottle with all those players having career years. A good chunk of those guys have come back to earth, and this is the current result. I mean the team isn't bad (they are in third place), they're just not great...

 

I would agree.  I think the time is right to sell.  But @IllaZilla is correct, we're probably going to have to settle for a pittance or something as nebulous as 'future considerations.'  If Dumba had any real value at all, he'd be gone by now.  Greenway is probably not interesting too many GM's right now as a 6'6" power forward who stays on the perimeter PMB-style.  

 

Another name I'll toss out there that might generate more interest is Marcus Foligno.  Like Greenway, he's having a rough season and the offense has pretty much eluded him most of the season.  But teams like to add toughness at the deadline and he can at least do that.  Because if he's not scoring, you're paying a 4th liner over $3 million per season.  

 

I would be buying if I'm a team in the Wild's situation.  Its not worth it.  We might as well let the fanbase embrace the suck...and stock up for the future.  

[bbgarnett]

I could see them doing a Greenway for JVR swap, not saying I'd do it 1 for 1  but I think Fletcher might have interest in Greenway.

[CreaseAndAssist]

On 2/9/2023 at 6:41 PM, IllaZilla said:

Based on what Russo was saying, doesn’t sound like BG has any plans for bringing up Rossi this season. Wants him to keep developing in Iowa. 
 

Maybe moving Greenway would make room for Walker. I know Evason isn’t a fan of Greenway. Who knows. 
 

But I’m not sure bringing up the young guys is going to kickstart the team. I’d rather see the young guys mature in Iowa and maybe make a run in the AHL playoffs than come up here and learn to flame out in the first round…

 

I am not sure if anyone read the Joe Smith article about Marco Rossi (Roh-see is how its pronounced according to him), but I would somewhat disagree with some of what it said about him.  In the article it stated he was dominant.  I wouldn't go that far, I would say he's playing more assertively.  He's getting involved more in all situations and is showing the same level of hustle and attentiveness at both ends of the ice.  He's making more plays but he's not just scoring 2-3 points per game in Iowa either.  

 

I agree with Guerin for leaving him there because I don't think his arrival would move the needle with the big club at this point.  Walker and Petan are still their best point producers in Iowa in case anyone is curious what is going on down on the farm.  Strangely enough, Iowa is kind of going through a similar slump scoring-wise that Minnesota is.  Especially at even strength, goals are hard to come by.  

 

Even though the team has some significant cap space right now; I don't see this team being a real threat in the post-season even if it has enough in the tank to make it in the first place.  Russo suggested this, that perhaps the Wild should weaponize its cap space by taking some bad contracts at the deadline and acquiring picks and prospects as teams want to give themselves more flexibility at the deadline.  I'm for that because I think the next two years are going to be bad because the crunch is even tighter.