OccamsRazor Posted July 12, 2023 Share Posted July 12, 2023 1 hour ago, mojo1917 said: Other guys can take the body It's not even this I just envisioned him bringing some suped up offense or something...something to the damn table and he is the definition of meh if you look it up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoachX Posted July 12, 2023 Share Posted July 12, 2023 1 hour ago, OccamsRazor said: he is the definition of meh if you look it up. I did...i found this pic 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Podein25 Posted July 12, 2023 Author Share Posted July 12, 2023 48 minutes ago, CoachX said: I did...i found this pic Good look at the Paralyzer 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OccamsRazor Posted July 13, 2023 Share Posted July 13, 2023 20 hours ago, CoachX said: I did...i found this pic Big Poppa Pump!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Podein25 Posted July 13, 2023 Author Share Posted July 13, 2023 Is it Scotty L? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoachX Posted July 13, 2023 Share Posted July 13, 2023 33 minutes ago, Podein25 said: Is it Scotty L? thats too much weight for him Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Podein25 Posted July 13, 2023 Author Share Posted July 13, 2023 1 minute ago, CoachX said: thats too much weight for him Sure maybe, but if it's not him why is it in the Scott Laughton Appreciation Thread? Only Scott Laughton appreciative posts are allowed in here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoachX Posted July 13, 2023 Share Posted July 13, 2023 7 minutes ago, Podein25 said: Sure maybe, but if it's not him why is it in the Scott Laughton Appreciation Thread? Only Scott Laughton appreciative posts are allowed in here. I didnt get that memo....you might get one of the mods to kick me out Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Podein25 Posted July 13, 2023 Author Share Posted July 13, 2023 5 minutes ago, CoachX said: I didnt get that memo....you might get one of the mods to kick me out Nah, you're keeping the thread going man, all good. Deep down you do appreciate Scott Laughton. He's a Flyer. Plays the game the right way, with plenty of grit and leadership. Sticks up for his teammates. As a a natural center, he should be better on faceoffs, which is a legitimate criticism of his game. But even his career 49.8% average is dragged down by his first few years in the NHL. Anyway, nice to see you here paying respects to the big man. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoachX Posted July 13, 2023 Share Posted July 13, 2023 4 minutes ago, Podein25 said: Sticks up for his teammates. could you please elaborate on this POV? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Podein25 Posted July 13, 2023 Author Share Posted July 13, 2023 56 minutes ago, CoachX said: could you please elaborate on this POV? Sure, in this video he fights Murphy after a big hit on Taylor Leier, who you've never even heard of. But Lots doesn't care who you are, he's gonna be there for you. Even you! He'd be there for you. Think about that for a second. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoachX Posted July 13, 2023 Share Posted July 13, 2023 59 minutes ago, Podein25 said: Sure, in this video he fights Murphy after a big hit on Taylor Leier, who you've never even heard of. But Lots doesn't care who you are, he's gonna be there for you. Even you! He'd be there for you. Think about that for a second. this is an example....Its one..... One from 2017. According to Hockeyfights, he's fought 10 times in 8 seasons, or just over one per season on average. If, in all those instances, he was sticking up for teammates, that means he does so once per season (i'll give him the benefit of the doubt). So this POV, which I have heard a lot, is disingenuous. Its part of the problem that I have with him. Not that he isnt a fighter, he's not, but that he's often given more credit than he deserves for something he just doesnt do. It's like referring to him as a goal scorer for having some memorable highlight goals. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Podein25 Posted July 13, 2023 Author Share Posted July 13, 2023 6 minutes ago, CoachX said: this is an example....Its one..... One from 2017. According to Hockeyfights, he's fought 10 times in 8 seasons, or just over one per season on average. If, in all those instances, he was sticking up for teammates, that means he does so once per season (i'll give him the benefit of the doubt). So this POV, which I have heard a lot, is disingenuous. Its part of the problem that I have with him. Not that he isnt a fighter, he's not, but that he's often given more credit than he deserves for something he just doesnt do. It's like referring to him as a goal scorer for having some memorable highlight goals. I disagree. And since we've already established that you don't have a clue when it comes to knowing what makes a good hockey player better than a poor hockey player, we're gonna go with my POV. Plus, this is the Scott Laughton Appreciation Thread, or SLAT. So you're in the wrong place to be making spurious claims about disengenuity, which is a word you just learnt anyway. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoachX Posted July 13, 2023 Share Posted July 13, 2023 excellent rebuttal. I stand emended 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OccamsRazor Posted July 13, 2023 Share Posted July 13, 2023 3 hours ago, Podein25 said: Taylor Leier I remember him. Was the return from the Bob trade...(the picks)....Stolarzs too that 2nd. Oh and low and behold who was the 1st round pick that same year for the Flyers?? THIS GUY!!! Worked out well... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Podein25 Posted July 13, 2023 Author Share Posted July 13, 2023 3 minutes ago, OccamsRazor said: I remember him. Was the return from the Bob trade...(the picks)....Stolarzs too that 2nd. Oh and low and behold who was the 1st round pick that same year for the Flyers?? THIS GUY!!! Worked out well... Lauts! Lots! Lotty! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoachX Posted July 13, 2023 Share Posted July 13, 2023 (edited) 4 minutes ago, OccamsRazor said: THIS GUY!!! Worked out well... yes, it did. the Flyers have been a juggernaut ever since Edited July 13, 2023 by CoachX Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OccamsRazor Posted July 13, 2023 Share Posted July 13, 2023 4 minutes ago, CoachX said: yes, it did. the Flyers have been a juggernaut ever since laying waste to everyone in their way.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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pilldoc Posted July 20, 2023 Share Posted July 20, 2023 How Flyers’ Scott Laughton had a career year by remaining the same core player https://theathletic.com/4702038/2023/07/20/flyers-scott-laughton-stats-trade/ An unbiased approach to Laughton for those who like him and for those who are not a fan. ....... Laughton quickly established himself as a coach’s favorite, willing to take on any duty, no matter how limited the ice time, and do it as well as possible. Slowly but surely, Laughton’s offense came back. Not in the sense of making him a dynamic NHL scorer, but by 2019-20, he was regularly producing in the 30-40 point range over an 82-game slate. Suddenly, Laughton wasn’t merely a solid fourth-liner. He was a jack-of-all-trades forward who could toil as the team’s 4C for a few weeks and then play wing on Line 2 for a few games and not look out of place. Which made it little surprise when new head coach John Tortorella quickly took a liking to Laughton in 2022-23, giving him the most ice time of his career and a leadership letter for his jersey — the only such letter Tortorella handed out in his debut season in Philadelphia. Laughton not only fits with the Flyers now; he’s arguably the team’s leader, and a standard-bearer for the type of culture that Tortorella and the rest of the new triumvirate of leadership are looking to instill in the rest of the group. Now, they need to decide whether Laughton has more value to them in that role, or if the club’s pivot to a rebuild demands that they look to cash out on one of the organization’s few developmental success stories of the past decade. When looking at Laughton’s end-of-season numbers now, it’s easy to forget that the only real highlight of his first two months of 2022-23 was getting that “A” stitched on his uniform. Laughton had just seven points when November ended, his last goal coming way back on Oct. 27. He had suffered a shoulder injury which knocked him out of action for four contests, but when Laughton was playing, he wasn’t making much of an impact. And that was in spite of the fact that Tortorella had granted him a larger on-ice role than he had ever before been given at the NHL role — over 19 minutes a game. He didn’t appear ready for it. At least until December rolled around. After finally halting his goalless drought — which reached 16 games — in Las Vegas on Dec. 9, Laughton established himself as one of the Flyers’ most effective forwards. Over the next 20 games, Laughton scored nine goals and 10 assists, nearly scoring at a point-per-game pace. As the Flyers crawled their way back into the outskirts of playoff contention, Laughton was leading the way. In February, however, Laughton began to slow down a bit. Tortorella theorized publicly that the 28-year-old might be wearing down — after all, this was easily the largest workload of Laughton’s NHL career, and given his gritty style, he wasn’t exactly taking care of himself physically in the process. Through Feb. 21, Laughton had averaged 19:03 minutes per game — his highest per game total as an NHL player by nearly three full minutes. So the rest of the way, Tortorella and the coaches pulled back on Laughton’s usage. Sure, it was in part due to a desire to test young players like Owen Tippett, Morgan Frost, Noah Cates and Tyson Foerster in bigger roles. But it also was likely because the coaching staff believed Laughton might be getting a bit gassed. He averaged just 16:28 over the final 23 games of the season — still more than he had in any other year in the league, but a far cry from his massive role over the season’s first five months. Laughton accepted it with no public complaints, however. And at the end of the 2022-23 campaign, he still had produced the best counting stats of his NHL career. Laughton had missed just four games due to injury, while averaging more minutes than ever before in his NHL career — and the result was career highs in both goals and points. Most importantly, Laughton fully earned the trust of his coaches, more so than ever before. So why did Tortorella like Laughton so much? It’s the same reason why saying that Laughton didn’t improve all that much in 2022-23 isn’t an insult. Laughton was already a darn good NHL forward, and remaining his usual self shouldn’t be viewed as a bad thing. Let’s start with Laughton’s play-driving ability at even strength. It may not have gotten better in 2022-23 — but it’s just as good as it always has been, right in that borderline between second-line and third-line quality. Laughton always helps boost the results of his team and his linemates at evens, and that didn’t change. It was just Laughton being Laughton. As far as underlying results go, that’s about as stable as it gets. Laughton consistently grades out positive — but not too positive. Just enough that he’s helping but not supercharging his lines. In other words, a natural middle-sixer. The same has tended to be the case about his even strength scoring. Aside from two outlier campaigns, Laughton has consistently produced offense at the rate of a quality third-liner, and while his efficiency rates dipped a bit in 2022-23, they didn’t drop by much — and it was back up to 1.63 Points/60 from January through the end of the season, right in his usual wheelhouse. What happened last season is the result of a player of his caliber being asked to take on top-of-the-lineup minutes: he remains the same in terms of true talent, just with more opportunities to make his counting stats look shiny. Laughton may not be a first-liner on a contending NHL team. But he showed nothing in 2022-23 to disabuse one of the notion that he could certainly find a spot on one of them — and not as the 11th or 12th forward, either. So … does he fit the rebuild? And now, we come to the as-of-yet unmentioned question underpinning all of this analysis: Does Laughton make sense to keep around on a rebuilding Flyers club? If the goal is to only keep around players who are young enough to realistically be a part of the next great Flyers team, then Laughton absolutely does not fit. For starters, he just turned 29 in late May. Laughton is still basically delivering “peak Laughton” results now, but as he moves into his 30s, the risk of a dropoff increases significantly. In addition, Laughton will be up for a new contract at 32, and while it’s unlikely he’ll be in line for a big raise, it’s also easy to envision a scenario where he’s being pushed out of his spot in the lineup by young players at that point, and wouldn’t even make sense to re-sign. Per this line of thinking, if Laughton has real value around the NHL right now — and by all accounts, it appears that he does — then the Flyers should sell him now, and pick up future assets that could potentially be part of a post-rebuild Philadelphia team. But as the offseason enters its quiet period, Laughton is still a Flyer. Why have they apparently chosen to keep him — at least for now? As noted back in May, it really comes down to culture. Laughton is the closest thing the Flyers have right now to a captain. He’s the only player with an “A” on his jersey. His relentless playing style sets a strong example for young players and veterans alike. He’s long been a welcoming presence to new Flyers (young and old) off the ice. And Laughton very much wants to be in Philadelphia and be part of the idea of “the Flyers,” signing what was probably a below-market deal back in 2021 on trade deadline day to ensure that he wouldn’t be shipped out as a rental. In other words, Laughton may not be a likely part of the next great Flyers team. But the front office suspects that he can help to shape that team, via his intangible impact on the players who will be part of it. From a pure asset management standpoint, Laughton probably should be moved. His value around the league isn’t likely to go any higher than it is right now, given his increasing age and the fact that as the Flyers’ rebuild progresses, Laughton’s days of getting top-line minutes will come to an end, as will the inflation of his point totals. If the Flyers truly were getting offers around the draft headlined by a late first-round pick — as was rumored — it’s reasonable for outsiders to wonder if the Flyers might be valuing his intangibles just a bit too highly given their current situation. But the Flyers never entered this offseason with the goal of trading Laughton. They’ve always viewed him as an integral short-term piece of the planned rebuild and were only going to send him elsewhere if they were bowled over by a trade package. Apparently, that hasn’t happened yet. Laughton would absolutely be a great fit right now on a Stanley Cup contender. He’s the type of gritty, actually useful depth forward that good teams can convince themselves is their “missing piece” that will push them across the finish line. But the Flyers believe Laughton is a strong fit for their rebuild, too. And they’re not exactly wrong. Laughton is good enough to provide solid on- and off-ice veteran support to the youth they’re looking to develop, but not quite enough support to push them out of prime drafting position. On a great team, he’s a versatile third- or fourth-liner, a heart-and-soul type expected to shine in the playoffs. On a bad team, he’s a top-of-the-lineup player working to build a culture and holding down the big minutes until the high-skill kids are ready to take the reins. Will that organizational view of Laughton’s usefulness to the Flyers hold throughout the rest of the summer and into 2023-24? Stay tuned. Let the debate continue ....... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCFlyguy Posted July 20, 2023 Share Posted July 20, 2023 2 hours ago, pilldoc said: After finally halting his goalless drought — which reached 16 games — in Las Vegas on Dec. 9, Laughton established himself as one of the Flyers’ most effective forwards. Over the next 20 games, Laughton scored nine goals and 10 assists, nearly scoring at a point-per-game pace. As the Flyers crawled their way back into the outskirts of playoff contention, Laughton was leading the way. Someone should have caused Scott to have an accident. Just kidding, but if anyone is offering even in the same universe as what has been reported, they should sell high. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoachX Posted July 20, 2023 Share Posted July 20, 2023 It's the slow season. In the absence of real news writers have to report on something 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
radoran Posted July 21, 2023 Share Posted July 21, 2023 (edited) 6 hours ago, pilldoc said: If the goal is to only keep around players who are young enough to realistically be a part of the next great Flyers team, then Laughton absolutely does not fit. Laughton can be everything Pierre-Edouard Bellemare was for Vegas, Colorado, and Tampa Bay. First rounder and change. Edited July 21, 2023 by radoran 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Podein25 Posted July 21, 2023 Author Share Posted July 21, 2023 What a beauty of a thread this is. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobbyClarkeFan16 Posted August 1, 2023 Share Posted August 1, 2023 Laughton makes $3 million a year. For $3 million, your getting a 40 point scorer who can play all over your lineup. That's great value. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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