radoran Posted September 12, 2013 Share Posted September 12, 2013 A stopped clock is right twice a day. We don't celebrate and tell it what a good job it's doing during those two minutes... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyercanuck Posted September 13, 2013 Share Posted September 13, 2013 @radoran Well I may not be celebrating. But it is worth pointing out that they're not as useless as Clarke and Holmgren would lead you to believe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
radoran Posted September 13, 2013 Share Posted September 13, 2013 @radoran Well I may not be celebrating. But it is worth pointing out that they're not as useless as Clarke and Holmgren would lead you to believe. What? 2nd Rounders? True that. I'm just talking to the "Homer doesn't get enough credit" folks... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leach27 Posted September 13, 2013 Share Posted September 13, 2013 What? 2nd Rounders? True that. I'm just talking to the "Homer doesn't get enough credit" folks... He definitely gets his share of criticism, do we agree on that??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
radoran Posted September 13, 2013 Share Posted September 13, 2013 He definitely gets his share of criticism, do we agree on that??? He gets his fair share of both. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leach27 Posted September 13, 2013 Share Posted September 13, 2013 He gets his fair share of both. I havent seen anything postive posted about homer. I bet if you can find one positive post I can find 20 negative from this week alone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brelic Posted September 13, 2013 Share Posted September 13, 2013 Jack, I agree with this but must say that I do believe VL would have gotten that much from another Team. Call me crazy but someone would have ponied up the dough for his services. Maybe less of a term but I think he could have been pais as much or more by another team... Hartnell got 6 years @ $4.75M for 8 goals and 3 assists last year. To be fair, it was signed before knowing how he would do that year. Consider that the previous year, he had 67 points in 82 games (0.81 ppg) while VLC had 49 points in 64 games (0.77 ppg). Not much difference in terms of rate of production. VLC definitely would have gotten $4.5M with another team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
radoran Posted September 13, 2013 Share Posted September 13, 2013 I havent seen anything postive posted about homer. I bet if you can find one positive post I can find 20 negative from this week alone. Since when? What, exactly, is it that he deserves such kudos for in this off-season, much less the last week? Buying himself out of the mess he created? Signing another 35+ defenseman to a long term deal? Offering, or not offering, or whatever a deal to a 34-year-old third line winger with gammy knees that then turned his back on him? Spending $35 million on a defense that virtually everyone still has serious questions and concerns about? Having another huge question mark in goal two years after signing a nine-year deal with a player to "fix" the goalie problem? I praised him for the VLC signing, actually - with some reservations about the length of the deal. I've praised his re-signing of Voracek and Simmonds at reasonable numbers. I am on record praising the return he got for Crater and Richards (after he signed both to decade-long deals). That's the point - he gets his fair share of both. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fanaticV3.0 Posted September 13, 2013 Share Posted September 13, 2013 I made several statements in that post. Not sure which one you're referring to but if you disagree with any of them, fine by me. Given that I was nice enough to bold them for you, reply to them in the same order in which you made them, and even throw out some numbers to the specific point I was addressing, I think you are well aware of what I was talking about and was more butthurt than anything else, but I'll be polite for now. You stated Gagne has "far less wear and tear on his body than Cleary" and that's simply not true. Gagne has easily missed more time than Cleary in the last several years. I'm not even sure how one could make that statement with a straight face given Gagne's variety of injury problems, but that's another issue. The fact of the matter is, your statement was incorrect. It's obvious who the more beat up player of the two is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ruxpin Posted September 13, 2013 Share Posted September 13, 2013 Call me crazy You're crazy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ruxpin Posted September 13, 2013 Share Posted September 13, 2013 Holmgren sucks! (just trying to make the count easier for @Leach27 ) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyercanuck Posted September 13, 2013 Share Posted September 13, 2013 I :wub: Homer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doom88 Posted September 13, 2013 Share Posted September 13, 2013 Homer is okay I guess Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aziz Posted September 13, 2013 Share Posted September 13, 2013 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jammer2 Posted September 13, 2013 Author Share Posted September 13, 2013 I almost named my youngest cat "Homer". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
radoran Posted September 13, 2013 Share Posted September 13, 2013 Trying is the first step towards failure, Lisa. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leach27 Posted September 14, 2013 Share Posted September 14, 2013 Holmgren sucks! (just trying to make the count easier for @Leach27 ) question rux - Can you say "sylvester"?? A simple yes or no answer will suffice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ruxpin Posted September 14, 2013 Share Posted September 14, 2013 question rux - Can you say "sylvester"?? A simple yes or no answer will suffice. Yethff Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JackStraw Posted September 17, 2013 Share Posted September 17, 2013 (edited) You stated Gagne has "far less wear and tear on his body than Cleary" and that's simply not true. Gagne has easily missed more time than Cleary in the last several years. I'm not even sure how one could make that statement with a straight face given Gagne's variety of injury problems, but that's another issue. The fact of the matter is, your statement was incorrect. It's obvious who the more beat up player of the two is. The time that Gagne has missed over the last few years was due to his concussion and the mass on his neck (which has been removed). I don't consider that "beat up". Cleary on the other hand has had recurring shoulder problems and his knees are shot. Gagne can probably skate circles around Cleary at this point. Cleary plays a gritty contact style, Gagne as we all know does not. I would think it would be fairly obvious who has more wear and tear on his body. I could link to post after post from Wings fans describing how broken down Cleary is, but I won't. If you're interested, just read through some of the threads on hfboards. I think Wings fans are a lot more familiar with his physical condition than either you or I. In any case, given that neither Cleary nor Gagne are in the Flyers camp now, this is a completely pointless argument. I'm out. Edited September 17, 2013 by JackStraw Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fanaticV3.0 Posted September 18, 2013 Share Posted September 18, 2013 The time that Gagne has missed over the last few years was due to his concussion and the mass on his neck (which has been removed). I don't consider that "beat up". Cleary on the other hand has had recurring shoulder problems and his knees are shot. Gagne can probably skate circles around Cleary at this point. Cleary plays a gritty contact style, Gagne as we all know does not. I would think it would be fairly obvious who has more wear and tear on his body. I could link to post after post from Wings fans describing how broken down Cleary is, but I won't. If you're interested, just read through some of the threads on hfboards. I think Wings fans are a lot more familiar with his physical condition than either you or I. In any case, given that neither Cleary nor Gagne are in the Flyers camp now, this is a completely pointless argument. I'm out. I don't care what kind of injuries they were, the fact of the matter is that Gagne is missed more time over the last several years than Cleary. Your notion that Clearly is "more broken down" - while somehow playing more games than Gagne - is complete and total bullshit. You're out, lol. Is that your way of admitting you were wrong? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jammer2 Posted September 18, 2013 Author Share Posted September 18, 2013 @fanaticV3.0 I'm no doctor, but when you hear a player is working with "bone on bone" in the knee area, that is pretty serious. Concussions can clear up, but bone on bone can't be fixed. I *think* that's what the Strawman was trying to convey. Cleary played more games than Gagne of late, no doubt, but I don't think it's guaranteed his knees will hold up. You can only "gut it out" so much. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fanaticV3.0 Posted September 30, 2013 Share Posted September 30, 2013 @fanaticV3.0 I'm no doctor, but when you hear a player is working with "bone on bone" in the knee area, that is pretty serious. Concussions can clear up, but bone on bone can't be fixed. I *think* that's what the Strawman was trying to convey. Cleary played more games than Gagne of late, no doubt, but I don't think it's guaranteed his knees will hold up. You can only "gut it out" so much. Gagne has had injury problems for years now. Not a few months or even the past season, but years. Not only that, it's not even one injury. The man's body is shot from head-to-toe. To say he's somehow less beat up than Cleary - who has played more and had less problems - is a stupid statement. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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