pilldoc Posted November 8, 2013 Share Posted November 8, 2013 @murraycraven@canoliI honestly have a gut feeling that if Giroux continues to struggle they will package him another player and look to get a monster return. Again, I do not want that one bit at all as I do not think Giroux's struggles are indicative of his talent level. I hate seeing stupid Hartnell on his wing turning over the puck every chance he gets too. I saw the look of frustration a few times on Giroux's face when Hartnell made a stupid move. It was easier when Jagr could contain the puck and all Hartnell had to do was plop his butt in front of the net. Anyhow, I do digress, Giroux is a goner. The contract says it all.Sadly you may be correct. Would love to see Hartnell gone, but who would take that hideous contract. I could drug him into waiving his NMC/NTC clause. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
murraycraven Posted November 8, 2013 Author Share Posted November 8, 2013 Glad to be of service. That will now cost you a six pack of my choice The fee for my consulting services. Sorry... I drank it after last nights game!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bertmega Posted November 8, 2013 Share Posted November 8, 2013 @pilldoc "I could drug him into waiving his NMC/NTC clause." Whatever you give him can I have some before I watch tomorrow's game Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pilldoc Posted November 8, 2013 Share Posted November 8, 2013 Sorry... I drank it after last nights game!! LOL - what and you didn't share? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
murraycraven Posted November 8, 2013 Author Share Posted November 8, 2013 Sadly you may be correct. Would love to see Hartnell gone, but who would take that hideous contract. I could drug him into waiving his NMC/NTC clause. Bert / Doc... As much as I am killing G these days (deservedly so) I think it would be a mistake to trade him. A player of his skill and talent does not simply lose his ability to play, right? I mean, I really do not know what to think of any of this anymore. It is a preplexing situation... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post mojo1917 Posted November 8, 2013 Popular Post Share Posted November 8, 2013 (edited) I call Shenanigans on this crap. I would not walk across the street to piss on carchidi, hayes , ford severalli or any of those jackholes if they were on fire, on my best day. There is nothing to add. We suck, we're not getting "it", he's said that , repeatedly. Several times in fact.what has changed ?"well the older slow guys we brought down from the press box, provided the same result as the younger dumb guys ?" He felt the need to talk to crazy Ed ? or the Godfather summoned him ? I think i'm going to go and talk to the crazy boss take my lumps or whatever , rather than add meaningless platitudes for hack writers to regurgitate. I really don't care that Sam now thinks Claude is a "bad captain" like he's a ****** labrador retriever or something. Claude has answered the questions for the team, maybe Metzaros and Simmonds et al can answer for their own shitty play .... Edited November 8, 2013 by mojo1917 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fanaticV3.0 Posted November 8, 2013 Share Posted November 8, 2013 The media coverage today is a joke. Giroux talks to the media after almost every game, on off days and at practice, and the one time he doesn't want to, the press destroys him.They're a joke. I don't agree that press coverage has turned into little more than kids on the school yard arguing. It's pretty, they ask questions they know won't get answered (who Chip Kelly each week is starting for example) and do it just because they know it will piss the person off, and get into these little personal wars when the person doesn't give them what they want. However, if a guy literally flees the arena, which is what G is rumored to have done, he deserved to get destroyed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pilldoc Posted November 8, 2013 Share Posted November 8, 2013 Bert / Doc... As much as I am killing G these days (deservedly so) I think it would be a mistake to trade him. A player of his skill and talent does not simply lose his ability to play, right? I mean, I really do not know what to think of any of this anymore. It is a preplexing situation...Agreed! I'm not advocating that G be moved, however the M.O. Of current management strongly suggests that this could be a very real possibility. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canoli Posted November 8, 2013 Share Posted November 8, 2013 However, if a guy literally flees the arena, which is what G is rumored to have done, he deserved to get destroyed. "rumored"? by whom? Sam Carchidi? Fk him. I'm not defending Giroux for blowing off the media. I'm also not surprised or bothered that he did. He'll pay his little fine and that'll be it - or would be if these lame Philly writers would let it alone. But Carchidi apparentely got personally insulted - that's how his column reads to me anyway. So instead of writing something that shows a little understanding of Giroux's actions, speculate on what he and Ed talked about, etc. - and cut the guy some slack in the process...NO, Carchidi writes the typical "let's blow it up into melodrama" Flyers article. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
murraycraven Posted November 8, 2013 Author Share Posted November 8, 2013 Agreed! I'm not advocating that G be moved, however the M.O. Of current management strongly suggests that this could be a very real possibility. That is my underlying fear here too... we have history on our side so I think it would be foolish to just brush it off like there was not a chance. I am getting more and more confused w/ each passing day. I just don't understand how this Team got to be so dreadful. I always thought that they were not a playoff team (at best a 6-8 seed) but I never thought they would be this bad. It is just shocking... Is there something going on in the room? Do the players not like G? Do they hate the management group? I mean something is clearly wrong... ugly situation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
murraycraven Posted November 8, 2013 Author Share Posted November 8, 2013 I thought this was a very telling tweet from puck daddy: Greg Wyshynski@wyshynski10hCongrats to the LA Kings on their eventual acquisition of Claude Giroux. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canoli Posted November 8, 2013 Share Posted November 8, 2013 god only knows what the hell is wrong with this team. Apparently Ed sold the Flyers soul in 1973, made a bargain that sounded good at the time...You get to win TWO Stanley Cups! Not just 1 but TWO!! You'll be a dynasty! You'll show all those pansies who said it couldn't be done, you'll show them how you can brawl your way to the Cup! the fine print - "no Flyers' team will ever win the Stanley Cup again" - well Ed figured he'd eventually be in a position to rewrite the contract or at least buy it out. We're still waiting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pilldoc Posted November 8, 2013 Share Posted November 8, 2013 I thought this was a very telling tweet from puck daddy:Greg Wyshynski@wyshynski10hCongrats to the LA Kings on their eventual acquisition of Claude Giroux.That is not funny. The thought of Carter. Richards, and Roo together on the Kings makes me wanna puke. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brelic Posted November 8, 2013 Share Posted November 8, 2013 Hate to say it and I do not agree with it at all, but mark my words Giroux will be moved before the contract extension kicks in. Which in my mind stinks and it just goes to show the state of this organization. If that happens, I will be honestly done as a Flyers fan. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phillygrump Posted November 8, 2013 Share Posted November 8, 2013 Oh how would that be my Christmas wish! I know others on here have argued against it saying it would destroy what confidence he has left, but hey, I think he is low as he can go. I agree with others on here. Have no captain this year because quite frankly no one on this team deserves it right now.I can't imagine anyone would want the C on this team. You're going to wonder if it will be stripped off you or you'll be traded if you struggle talking to this awful Philly sports media just trying to create more drama. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phillygrump Posted November 8, 2013 Share Posted November 8, 2013 If that happens, I will be honestly done as a Flyers fan.I think I'd have to agree with that. Not forever, but that would be enough to find something else to do besides watch hockey for me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brelic Posted November 8, 2013 Share Posted November 8, 2013 However, if a guy literally flees the arena, which is what G is rumored to have done, he deserved to get destroyed. Why? This loss is no different than the other 9 losses, or the OT loss, or even their 4 wins. They're just a bad team. They clearly don't have any answers, and they're out of cliches and platitudes. Why is it so bad that Giroux didn't want to talk to the press last night? I just don't understand why they're making such a huge deal out of this. Actually, I do understand... they want to sell papers, and nothing sells papers like an controversy and skewering people. Their stories add no value, and I have no problem with Captain Giroux not talking to them yesterday. Where I would care is if he's checked out on his teammates... but there's no evidence that that's the case. So, keep calm and carry on, I guess. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OH1FlyersFan Posted November 8, 2013 Share Posted November 8, 2013 If he doesn't want to be the team leader, to be the captain, and to take on the duties and responsibilities of being that person and to set the right example, I'm ok with it. I'm not going to bash him for it. Just take the "C" off your sweater and turn it in. Sometimes you're just not ready. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fanaticV3.0 Posted November 8, 2013 Share Posted November 8, 2013 "rumored"? by whom? Sam Carchidi? Fk him. I'm not defending Giroux for blowing off the media. I'm also not surprised or bothered that he did. He'll pay his little fine and that'll be it - or would be if these lame Philly writers would let it alone. But Carchidi apparentely got personally insulted - that's how his column reads to me anyway. So instead of writing something that shows a little understanding of Giroux's actions, speculate on what he and Ed talked about, etc. - and cut the guy some slack in the process...NO, Carchidi writes the typical "let's blow it up into melodrama" Flyers article. No, the article I read was written by Hayes. It said he took off right after the meeting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
murraycraven Posted November 8, 2013 Author Share Posted November 8, 2013 That is not funny. The thought of Carter. Richards, and Roo together on the Kings makes me wanna puke. and throw in Williams just for good measure Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fanaticV3.0 Posted November 8, 2013 Share Posted November 8, 2013 Why? This loss is no different than the other 9 losses, or the OT loss, or even their 4 wins. They're just a bad team. They clearly don't have any answers, and they're out of cliches and platitudes.Why is it so bad that Giroux didn't want to talk to the press last night? I just don't understand why they're making such a huge deal out of this. Actually, I do understand... they want to sell papers, and nothing sells papers like an controversy and skewering people.Their stories add no value, and I have no problem with Captain Giroux not talking to them yesterday.Where I would care is if he's checked out on his teammates... but there's no evidence that that's the case.So, keep calm and carry on, I guess. I think it is just another example of how bad a leader he has been. I do agree with you that they are just trying to sell papers and that they will blow the situation up to do that, but it doesn't mean he still didn't do it. To his credit though, he hasn't reached Richards level of being bad with the media yet imo. He's been nothing but professional with them and blowing them off once is not the end of the world. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
murraycraven Posted November 8, 2013 Author Share Posted November 8, 2013 No, the article I read was written by Hayes. It said he took off right after the meeting. I read the same thing - here is the quote from the article (although I despise M Hayes): "The Flyers, assumedly led by Captain Claude, held a players-only meeting after their mind-numbing, 3-0 loss to the visiting Devils. Afterward, Giroux was seen heading into the training room, assumedly to regroup before addressing the press. Soon thereafter, Flyers staffers told the press that Giroux had left the building." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mojo1917 Posted November 8, 2013 Share Posted November 8, 2013 No, the article I read was written by Hayes. It said he took off right after the meeting.there are two articles boo-hooing over Claude not speaking to the media one is by Sam the other is by Marcus. You read the one with the festive references to camelot and King Arthur, Canoli read the woe-is me Claude is a bad captain , bad... you're a bad captain article from Carchidi. they're both... fine examples of sports journalism. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fanaticV3.0 Posted November 8, 2013 Share Posted November 8, 2013 there are two articles boo-hooing over Claude not speaking to the media one is by Sam the other is by Marcus. You read the one with the festive references to camelot and King Arthur, Canoli read the woe-is me Claude is a bad captain , bad... you're a bad captain article from Carchidi. they're both... fine examples of sports journalism. What I'm seeing in your post is "I don't like these journalists, therefore they are making it up." Sorry, I just don't subscribe to that line of thinking. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fanaticV3.0 Posted November 8, 2013 Share Posted November 8, 2013 I read the same thing - here is the quote from the article (although I despise M Hayes): "The Flyers, assumedly led by Captain Claude, held a players-only meeting after their mind-numbing, 3-0 loss to the visiting Devils. Afterward, Giroux was seen heading into the training room, assumedly to regroup before addressing the press. Soon thereafter, Flyers staffers told the press that Giroux had left the building." First of all, why the F is Marcus Hayes covering hockey? I though the was a football guy? I don't like him either, but it doesn't really matter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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