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Howie58 Mentor

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Boy...it sounds like the Elvis movie, "Viva Las Vegas."  The idea of a Vegas franchise would have been shocking 20 years ago. Maybe they think of hockey as "Family Entertainment."

 

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On 6/2/2016 at 9:40 AM, Howie58 said:

Boy...it sounds like the Elvis movie, "Viva Las Vegas."  The idea of a Vegas franchise would have been shocking 20 years ago. Maybe they think of hockey as "Family Entertainment."

 

Howie

Can't wait to see the topless ice girls. They will sell the place out every night!  

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On 6/4/2016 at 6:40 PM, Howie58 said:

Von:

 

LOL!!!!

And I'm only half kidding. It is Vagas. Showgirls and Wayne Newton at intermission and slot machines at each seat. 

Hell, I'd buy a ticket. 

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Von. Humor aside, you are the first poster to bring up the 800 pound gorilla in the room. Las Vagus was developed by the mob, has legal prostitution, and gambling. Doesn't anyone in the NHL see potential problems with having a franchise here?

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Von and Lunatic:

 

I think you are both right. The franchise is likely to have a glitz factor that makes it valuable and interesting. Lunatic--30-40 years ago I would have agreed with you in terms of "source of revenue."  I think the gaming business is different and the casino control boards in Nevada, NJ, and PA are remarkably stringent.  If you saw the packets that prospective employees fill out in NJ (I can speak to it from personal experience); almost went to work for the Casino Control Commission), you'd think a national security clearance was on the line.  I agree there is sleaze and a moral factor in this business, but I think it is far less sleazy than the past.  And unlike Atlantic City, Vegas is pretty well run.

 

I think the league will green light the franchise. But you can bet your bottom bippy (give my age away on that) the principals are getting get a proctological exam.

 

Remember, until a few months ago, the SportsKings (supported in part by Comcast....) and other sites were going strong until NY and Nevada told them it was gaming, not a skill opportunity...I say that in part because the sports gaming online is still strong, but at least the "respectable" folks tried to rein it in, if only to stem financial losses.

 

Bottom line-- don't like the gaming industry--think it spawns a lot of financial problems and erodes families.  But it isn't going away.  I don't think these shortcomings will short circuit the Vegas franchise.  Sadly--Quebec City will be hurt a lot more by the Canadian dollar's shortcomings than Vegas will by "moral" ones.

 

Howie 

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@pilldoc

 

Then in the later rounds (4th or 5th)Flyers finally get them a Finn....

 

http://www.eliteprospects.com/player.php?player=221342

 

Then in the 6th maybe a smaller project forward...another Russian i know Flyers have lost their mind with all these Commies......

 

http://www.eliteprospects.com/player.php?player=295715

 

Oh well slow day...

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Here is an interesting take on expansion--It won't happen.  Carolina will be relocated instead:

 

http://www.yardbarker.com/nhl/articles/report_carolina_hurricanes_could_relocate_to_vegas/s1_10240_21055267

 

I honestly can't see the league giving up on Carolina but you never know.  This ownership mess sounds a lot like Phoenix.  If nothing else it's a distraction.  

 

Howie

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Slow day doing some research on the upcoming draft. After watching this kid he would bring some much needed size to the Flyers lineup for sure. But they will more than likely have to move up to grab him....

 

 

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So this rule is interesting...

 

Teams must expose one defenseman under contract for 2017-18 who played either 40 games in 2016-17 or 70 games combined in 2015-16 and 2016-17.

 

So of course my choice would be Mcdud...the only rub would be he has to have played a combined 70 games between 15-16 and 16-17 to be eligible.

 

So he only played 28 regular season games. 6 playoff games not sure if these count toward the 70 games. So if the 6 don't count Mcdud will have to suit up for 42 games next year to be able to be exposed. DAMN IT TO HELL!!!!

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This one too...

 

Teams must expose at least two forwards under contract for 2017-18 who played either 40 games in 2016-17 or 70 games combined in 2015-16 and 2016-17

 

I'm guess as of right now those two would/could be Read and Raffl.

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So i am going to go by their outline:

 

We've now cut the list down to 15 players. From that list, there are six players who are virtual locks to be protected, barring disastrous 2016-17 seasons.

  • Claude Giroux
  • Jakub Voracek
  • Sean Couturier
  • Wayne Simmonds
  • Brayden Schenn
  • Shayne Gostisbehere

Forward (can keep two)

  • Michael Raffl
  • Scott Laughton- I'm protecting him.
  • Nick Cousins-I'm protecting him.

Defense (can keep two)

  • Michael Del Zotto- I expect him maybe to be a deadline trade candidate or resigned after the season maybe at the earliest.
  • Radko Gudas- I'm protecting him.
  • Robert Hagg- I'm protecting him.

Goalie (can keep one)

  • Steve Mason- One of either Mason or Neuvy could be traded at the deadline...maybe...or resigned after the season
  • Michal Neuvirth-same as above. One could be moved or resigned after the season.
  • Anthony Stolarz- I think i'm going to protect the kid. His performance next season could change all this best case scenario he plays well enough to be called up to back up Mase or Neuvy and the loser of the starter battle could be moved. The worse he sucks and the Flyers decide to leave him exposed and resigns either Mase or Neuvy and protect the guy who is reupped.

 

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On 6/5/2016 at 7:21 PM, Lunatic said:

Von. Humor aside, you are the first poster to bring up the 800 pound gorilla in the room. Las Vagus was developed by the mob, has legal prostitution, and gambling. Doesn't anyone in the NHL see potential problems with having a franchise here?

 

Prostitution isn't "legal" in Vegas - it is in adjoining counties, however. That said, they don't seem to do much to discourage it.

 

There simply isn't a lot of "mobbed up" Vegas any more (although they aren't entirely gone).

 

However, you do bring up some legitimate concerns. I believe the NHL would point to their morals clauses in contracts and if players want to risk their careers violating them, they can easily do it throughout the United States and Canada already.

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1 hour ago, OccamsRazor said:

So this rule is interesting...

 

Teams must expose one defenseman under contract for 2017-18 who played either 40 games in 2016-17 or 70 games combined in 2015-16 and 2016-17.

 

So of course my choice would be Mcdud...the only rub would be he has to have played a combined 70 games between 15-16 and 16-17 to be eligible.

 

So he only played 28 regular season games. 6 playoff games not sure if these count toward the 70 games. So if the 6 don't count Mcdud will have to suit up for 42 games next year to be able to be exposed. DAMN IT TO HELL!!!!

That rule doesn't specify NHL games though!

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If they specified number of games played at the various levels, it would be a heckuva lot clearer. But they haven't done that so far.  If not, it tells me years experience is in the AHL or NHL with the franchise. 

 

I think our goal situation is really interesting.  If he has a great year, Mason may be too expensive to retain.  If his numbers are this year's or worse, he plays himself out of a job. Either way, I guess he could be left unprotected.  As for MN--he might be too expensive as backup but too injury-prone for starting material.  Whatever....I hope we have someone in the wings with value.  Expansion aside, we didn't have a solid third stringer if our principals were injured. 

 

Howie

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3 hours ago, OccamsRazor said:

Projecting the Philadelphia Flyers' approach to an expansion draft

 

http://www.broadstreethockey.com/2016/6/16/11944280/projecting-the-philadelphia-flyers-approach-to-an-expansion-draft

 

A good read.......

 

Great read!  Thanks for sharing.....  Gives a very concise and logical plan of who the Flyers will or will not protect in the upcoming expansion draft.  It is very comforting to know that most of the high end prospects are safe from the expansion draft.  Honestly I would love for McDud to be poached and say good bye to that hideous contract.  Then that would surely give Hexy some room to maneuver.

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1 hour ago, Howie58 said:

If they specified number of games played at the various levels, it would be a heckuva lot clearer. But they haven't done that so far.  If not, it tells me years experience is in the AHL or NHL with the franchise. 

 

I think our goal situation is really interesting.  If he has a great year, Mason may be too expensive to retain.  If his numbers are this year's or worse, he plays himself out of a job. Either way, I guess he could be left unprotected.  As for MN--he might be too expensive as backup but too injury-prone for starting material.  Whatever....I hope we have someone in the wings with value.  Expansion aside, we didn't have a solid third stringer if our principals were injured. 

 

Howie

 

 

I don't think it matters how many games at each level is played because both leagues are considered pro leagues. It is more about which ones are on their entry level deals i think.

 

So games played last year by Mcdud in the AHL should count toward that limit i think. I can't say for certain  but i think both count.

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On May 24, 2016 at 8:42 AM, JJMason33 said:

Lets not forget the topic of this thread and how the expansion draft effects these decisions.  Next season Morin and Ghost have to be protected.  And when they do another expansion the next year you will only be able to protect 3 out of Morin, Sanheim, Provorov, and Ghost.  Unless you keep Provorov in the Juniors for another year. 

 

It's not like those of us advocating for a trade are asking to trade "All our top prospects".  And we are definitely not saying to trade them for some "all-star" on a huge contract.  We are saying trade 1 of the 4 we have to give us offensive talent.  In the past the Flyers would trade players like Sbisa, Pitkanen, and Niinimaa early, but the difference is back then there was nothing in the pipeline to replace those guys.  Now is different because if you trade 1 guy, you still have 3 others... possibly 4 that are about equal.  And you can also hold onto guys that play a part of veteran leadership like Del Zotto, Gudas, and Manning.

 

I keep hearing that if you hold onto this defense we will be scary in a few years.  Not true.  Just because you can hold a team to 1-2 goals does not mean your going to win.  Especially if you cant score more than 1 goal.  Look at Nashville.  They are a great example of a team having amazing defensive prospects, that turn into amazing players, but can't win to save their lives.  Heck, they lost Suter and how many others.  You have to be able to ice a well rounded team.  Not just one stacked in defense and goalie.  That is why I say make a move for this Laine kid.  I'm ok with losing Schenn and Morin for him.  Even Schenn and Sanheim if need be.  Schenn is going to cost us big money soon.  Not Giroux money, but the longer we eat into his UFA years the worse its going to be.  I'm guessing 5-6.5 depending on the years.  He just isn't a 6.5 million a year player IMO.

 

Half Those young D man have very high up shots as luck movers.  First pass guys.  Point men and PP QB's.  Excellent eyes and great passing. 

 

I.e. Their D is the stuff their working on developing, but NOT the only thing that makes them impressive and so promising. 

 

 

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