King Knut Posted December 5, 2016 Share Posted December 5, 2016 I'm going out on a (very short) limb here and say that Provo is now this team's #1 Defenseman. He's now play as many or more minutes than anyone. He's playing on both the PP and PK. He's playing more PK minutes than anyone. And at this point, he's doing it all extremely well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyercanuck Posted December 5, 2016 Share Posted December 5, 2016 I don't think you're out on a limb...he's playing better than anyone else back there. And he's only going to get better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Knut Posted December 5, 2016 Author Share Posted December 5, 2016 24 minutes ago, flyercanuck said: I don't think you're out on a limb...he's playing better than anyone else back there. And he's only going to get better. I said it was a short one And I think I'm differentiating between people like us saying he's playing the best and Hakstol treating him like it and him responding like it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mojo1917 Posted December 5, 2016 Share Posted December 5, 2016 I'm fan, the young fella is player and not just with himself. He and TK make me feel funny, like - "future, it is bright". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
murraycraven Posted December 5, 2016 Share Posted December 5, 2016 Let's get real folks... the ONLY reason that Prov is playing well now is a direct result of Couts being out of the lineup. Let's not overthink it.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mojo1917 Posted December 5, 2016 Share Posted December 5, 2016 @murraycraven LOL i'm sure that's it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Knut Posted December 5, 2016 Author Share Posted December 5, 2016 54 minutes ago, murraycraven said: Let's get real folks... the ONLY reason that Prov is playing well now is a direct result of Couts being out of the lineup. Let's not overthink it.... Some things are just undeniable I guess. Color me converted.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
murraycraven Posted December 5, 2016 Share Posted December 5, 2016 1 hour ago, mojo1917 said: I'm fan, the young fella is player and not just with himself. He and TK make me feel funny, like - "future, it is bright". Well said... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brelic Posted December 5, 2016 Share Posted December 5, 2016 1 hour ago, murraycraven said: Let's get real folks... the ONLY reason that Prov is playing well now is a direct result of Couts being out of the lineup. Let's not overthink it.... Well, I wouldn't give Provorov all the credit. With Couturier - 9-8-3, giving up 3.3 goals/game Without Couturier - 5-2, giving up 2.4 goals/game. Clearly, Couturier is the problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Knut Posted December 5, 2016 Author Share Posted December 5, 2016 2 hours ago, brelic said: Well, I wouldn't give Provorov all the credit. With Couturier - 9-8-3, giving up 3.3 goals/game Without Couturier - 5-2, giving up 2.4 goals/game. Clearly, Couturier is the problem. Nice Try, but it seems far more likely that it's been MacDonald's presence that has stabilized things: With Mac: 12-6-1 .632 Without Mac: 2-4-2 .250 Since bringing him back up controversially in mid-November they are 7-2 ( a full game before Coots got hurt). I think the evidence is incontrovertible. Or maybe Hakstol's got the majority of the team playing better all around hockey and Mason is playing like the Mason we love. One or the other Joking aside, those number are very real and it confuses and frightens me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobbyClarkeFan16 Posted December 5, 2016 Share Posted December 5, 2016 5 hours ago, King Knut said: I'm going out on a (very short) limb here and say that Provo is now this team's #1 Defenseman. He's now play as many or more minutes than anyone. He's playing on both the PP and PK. He's playing more PK minutes than anyone. And at this point, he's doing it all extremely well. I'm with you man and honestly, it isn't even close. He just has that 'it' factor in terms of playing in all situations. People might point to his +/- as not being indicative of a number one defenseman, but Drew Doughty was a -17 his first year, PK Subban was -8, Erik Karlsson was -30, and the list goes on and on. I know that Werenski is the hot hand right now, but I'm willing to bet in the 2nd half of the season, his name will be heard less and less and Provorov's more and more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Podein25 Posted December 5, 2016 Share Posted December 5, 2016 9 minutes ago, King Knut said: With Mac: 12-6-1 .632 Without Mac: 2-4-2 .250 ! Does this mean we have to stop calling him McDud and start calling him McWin? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Knut Posted December 5, 2016 Author Share Posted December 5, 2016 4 minutes ago, Podein25 said: ! Does this mean we have to stop calling him McDud and start calling him McWin? I wish I knew what it meant. I've been struggling with it for a couple of weeks now and it keeps getting worse! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Podein25 Posted December 5, 2016 Share Posted December 5, 2016 5 minutes ago, King Knut said: I wish I knew what it meant. I've been struggling with it for a couple of weeks now and it keeps getting worse! Perhaps drinking will help? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Knut Posted December 5, 2016 Author Share Posted December 5, 2016 4 minutes ago, Podein25 said: Perhaps drinking will help? Nope, not yet. I'm buying an A Mac Jersey instead. I know it'll be accurate for several more years in any event. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Podein25 Posted December 6, 2016 Share Posted December 6, 2016 4 hours ago, King Knut said: Nope, not yet. I'm buying an A Mac Jersey instead. I know it'll be accurate for several more years in any event. If he keeps this up Vegas will snag him! It's a diabolical strategy to get rid of a guy, I have to say. . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Podein25 Posted December 6, 2016 Share Posted December 6, 2016 I'm old enough to remember when young Ivan was playing like crap and we questioned his ability to play in the bigs at his young age. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ruxpin Posted December 6, 2016 Share Posted December 6, 2016 12 minutes ago, Podein25 said: I'm old enough to remember when young Ivan was playing like crap and we questioned his ability to play in the bigs at his young age. Yeah, me too. Of course , I was already old enough at the time to think that was bollocks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Podein25 Posted December 6, 2016 Share Posted December 6, 2016 9 minutes ago, ruxpin said: Yeah, me too. Of course , I was already old enough at the time to think that was bollocks. It's gonna be hilarious when he goes -4 next game eh? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ruxpin Posted December 6, 2016 Share Posted December 6, 2016 7 minutes ago, Podein25 said: It's gonna be hilarious when he goes -4 next game eh? Yep. If not next game, there WILL be a game and... Well, you know. This isn't your first day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
icehole Posted December 6, 2016 Share Posted December 6, 2016 I can't help but feel like some shots are being fired at me...some probably deserved. I'll still try to defend some of my beliefs though. I wanted to try to prove this topic wrong, but then I tried to think of a defenseman playing better right now...I couldn't. Provorov is playing well, but sometimes it could be the tallest "little person" in the circus theory. I don't want to take anything away from him though. I can still see faults in his game, but he's improving and helping the team. You know what else is improving the team...couturier not being in the lineup! I don't know...maybe it's just a coincidence, but I honestly feel a jolt in the offense since he went down. In general, the offense has pinned teams in their own zone more often and for longer periods of time. Against good defenses too. I feel like that new second line has had a lot more scoring chances too. Those top two lines are very dangerous now. Also, team defense has been much better. We'll see what happens when couturier comes back. Hopefully he has a permanent spot on the third line. MacDonald has been a surprise but I still have an uneasy feeling when he's on the ice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ruxpin Posted December 6, 2016 Share Posted December 6, 2016 1 hour ago, icehole said: I can't help but feel like some shots are being fired at me...some probably deserved. I'll still try to defend some of my beliefs though. I wanted to try to prove this topic wrong, but then I tried to think of a defenseman playing better right now...I couldn't. Provorov is playing well, but sometimes it could be the tallest "little person" in the circus theory. I don't want to take anything away from him though. I can still see faults in his game, but he's improving and helping the team. You know what else is improving the team...couturier not being in the lineup! I don't know...maybe it's just a coincidence, but I honestly feel a jolt in the offense since he went down. In general, the offense has pinned teams in their own zone more often and for longer periods of time. Against good defenses too. I feel like that new second line has had a lot more scoring chances too. Those top two lines are very dangerous now. Also, team defense has been much better. We'll see what happens when couturier comes back. Hopefully he has a permanent spot on the third line. MacDonald has been a surprise but I still have an uneasy feeling when he's on the ice. Lol, just for the record, if I take a shot at you, you'll be sure. It wasn't just you, though. Seriously, if people are criticizing Provorov, they're simply going out of their way to point out he's human rather than just enjoying the rookie year of a star in the making. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
icehole Posted December 6, 2016 Share Posted December 6, 2016 38 minutes ago, ruxpin said: Lol, just for the record, if I take a shot at you, you'll be sure. It wasn't just you, though. Seriously, if people are criticizing Provorov, they're simply going out of their way to point out he's human rather than just enjoying the rookie year of a star in the making. Not necessarily. It's just me...I look at things differently. I don't want to ruin anyone's fun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyercanuck Posted December 6, 2016 Share Posted December 6, 2016 21 minutes ago, icehole said: Not necessarily. It's just me...I look at things differently. I don't want to ruin anyone's fun. Just to point out...after a heck of a performance for anyone, let alone a 19 year old defenceman where he scored twice AND batted a sure goal out of the air while diving across the back of the net, your first impression about him was the Hawks first goal being his fault (he lost an edge...something you can't learn NOT to do). I mean that's what stands out to you in that game? Cause there were a lot of stand outs by Provorov...and that wasn't one of them. I have no problem with pointing out bad plays...that was bad luck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
icehole Posted December 6, 2016 Share Posted December 6, 2016 1 minute ago, flyercanuck said: Just to point out...after a heck of a performance for anyone, let alone a 19 year old defenceman where he scored twice AND batted a sure goal out of the air while diving across the back of the net, your first impression about him was the Hawks first goal being his fault (he lost an edge...something you can't learn NOT to do). I mean that's what stands out to you in that game? Cause there were a lot of stand outs by Provorov...and that wasn't one of them. I have no problem with pointing out bad plays...that was bad luck. He had a great game against the Hawks. I didn't point that out as the play that defined his day. His transition from facing backward and making that turn to skate forward the opposite way has been a little bit of a struggle on many occasions this year. If we can put blame on Mason, Macdonald, couturier, read, umberger (for old time sake), vandevelde, schenn or anyone else, we can also point out when provorov is to blame. But as I said earlier, I don't want to drain the excitement from everyone so I'll try to stay out of that conversation. I wish I could be as optimistic as the rest...it would make my life a lot better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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