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Gary Bettman is out there with another dumb idea. In an interview with the Boston Globe, he said that if Las Vegas and Quebec City receive expansion teams, the NHL would have to consider placing the Nordiques in the Western Conference, even while acknowledging that having Winnipeg in the Southeast Division was "less than ideal." Keep in mind, Quebec City is barely west of Boston.

 

In another thread, we've had a bevy of ideas for realignment floated, and while we all found some we liked and others we disliked, I think they all beat this idea. Being in the west would be more difficult logistically for a Quebec City-based team than it was for Detroit or Columbus.

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Absurd that we are still talking East and West but if we are, if that is the pride that Quebec has to pay to regain admission into the league than so be it. Rather them than an established team like, ahem, some other Eastern time zone teams that have already paid their dues with ridiculous multiple Western conference trips every year. Just sayin.

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And so the stage-setting for the relocation of an existing team/franchise begins...

 

Give Seattle an expansion team, let Quebec pay their entrance fee and make the Panthers the Newordiques™.

 

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I have been to Quebec City four times, an absolute jewel of a city, almost exclusively French, a lot of NHL players have had a difficult time adjusting to playing there. John Ogrodnick, an early hero of mine absolutely found Quebec City abhorrent. Others have as well.

But yeah, realignment needs to come, Quebec has no business in the West. Just follow the NFL pattern and put a Western division in each conference and get it over with and it all falls together nicely.

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@yave1964 The East/West thing was one of the driving forces of my "independent" divisions idea. That keeps them in divisions with geographically close teams, and limits travel somewhat because of the lack of "conferences."

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Gary Bettman is out there with another dumb idea. In an interview with the Boston Globe, he said that if Las Vegas and Quebec City receive expansion teams, the NHL would have to consider placing the Nordiques in the Western Conference, even while acknowledging that having Winnipeg in the Southeast Division was "less than ideal." Keep in mind, Quebec City is barely west of Boston.

 

In another thread, we've had a bevy of ideas for realignment floated, and while we all found some we liked and others we disliked, I think they all beat this idea. Being in the west would be more difficult logistically for a Quebec City-based team than it was for Detroit or Columbus.

 

There's no need to worry about this happening because I still think (with 99% confidence) that Quebec City is NOT going to receive an NHL expansion team. (Nobody is.) They're going to receive an EXISTING NHL team from the Eastern Conference. And I'm almost entirely certain that team will be the Florida Panthers. That way the Nordiques fit into the same division with the Leafs, Sens, and Canadiens.  :)

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@WordsOfWisdom I think we're going to continue to disagree on expansion, but Bettman's comments suggest to me that expansion is even more likely. Apparently, some thought has been put into this, because he had an answer ready.

 

@J0e Th0rnton I'd believe that if we weren't talking about Bettman...

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@WordsOfWisdom I think we're going to continue to disagree on expansion, but Bettman's comments suggest to me that expansion is even more likely. Apparently, some thought has been put into this, because he had an answer ready.

 

@J0e Th0rnton I'd believe that if we weren't talking about Bettman...

 

That's what makes life great.  :D

 

Another troubling issue of late is the fall of the Canadian dollar. Quebec City's timing couldn't be any worse. If I were them, I would pull my bid off the table and wait to see what happens. As the Canadian dollar plummets, revenue sharing dollars will decrease and teams like the Panthers will have to fold. If the prospective owners in Quebec City were smart, they would wait for the NHL to put the Panthers up for sale and then bring them home. It's inevitable. Trying to force the issue now is such a major financial blunder. It's a really bad time to buy for Canadian teams. :blink[1]:

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@WordsOfWisdom I think we're going to continue to disagree on expansion, but Bettman's comments suggest to me that expansion is even more likely. Apparently, some thought has been put into this, because he had an answer ready.

 

@J0e Th0rnton I'd believe that if we weren't talking about Bettman...

Expansion is virtually inevitable, especially if there are two cities willing to pony up ONE BILLION DOLLARS combined for the privledge.

"One billion dollars? Oh, please, no thank you!" - said no NHL owner ever...

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Expansion is virtually inevitable, especially if there are two cities willing to pony up ONE BILLION DOLLARS combined for the privledge.

"One billion dollars? Oh, please, no thank you!" - said no NHL owner ever...

 

I think the NHL would like to expand if they could. Having said that, I think they know that they can't.

 

This is the reality that is staring Gary Butthurt and the 30 owners in the face right now (and it's not going away):

  • Arizona Coyotes on life support... doctor's prognosis: imminent death.
  • Carolina Hurricanes in bad shape.
  • Florida Panthers in bad shape.
  • 77 cent Canadian dollar that continues to plummet.

The NHL is going to have the Oilers, Flames, Senators, and Jets struggling to break-even very soon. The revenue sharing dollars are going to dry up. The cap is coming down. The league is in for some hard times the next few years. The Nordiques (if they re-emerge) will be in the red financially right off the hop and will have their hand out because of the Canadian dollar. Las Vegas is not going to be the NHL's white knight. They may prove to be a bigger disaster than Phoenix/Arizona. 

 

If the NHL puts teams in Quebec City and Las Vegas, then they will have to contract at least one or two teams in the next five years as a result. (Another NHL first.)

 

So if they go through with this, and these owners in Quebec City and Las Vegas are dumb enough to cough up the 500 mil for an expansion team, then they're going to watch the NHL fold two teams that they could have relocated for free. Or they're going to watch a Johnny-come-lately (smart cookie) owner swoop in, buy the Panthers for a song (~100 mil), and move them to Seattle without having to pay any extra fees.   :)

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I think the NHL would like to expand if they could. Having said that, I think they know that they can't.

 

I disagree with the idea that the league can't expand. Let the debate continue as to whether or not it should, but it definitely can. Ultimately, though, even if it is an unwise decision, it's pretty clear that Bettman and the league don't think it is. If so, they would have stuck to their same old story. They've been denying expansion rumors for years, even when everyone knew that something was probably in the works. If they felt that they couldn't add two new teams, they would have simply continued to sing the same old song.

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I think the NHL would like to expand if they could. Having said that, I think they know that they can't.

 

This is the reality that is staring Gary Butthurt and the 30 owners in the face right now (and it's not going away):

  • Arizona Coyotes on life support... doctor's prognosis: imminent death.
  • Carolina Hurricanes in bad shape.
  • Florida Panthers in bad shape.
  • 77 cent Canadian dollar that continues to plummet.

The NHL is going to have the Oilers, Flames, Senators, and Jets struggling to break-even very soon. The revenue sharing dollars are going to dry up. The cap is coming down. The league is in for some hard times the next few years. The Nordiques (if they re-emerge) will be in the red financially right off the hop and will have their hand out because of the Canadian dollar. Las Vegas is not going to be the NHL's white knight. They may prove to be a bigger disaster than Phoenix/Arizona. 

 

If the NHL puts teams in Quebec City and Las Vegas, then they will have to contract at least one or two teams in the next five years as a result. (Another NHL first.)

 

So if they go through with this, and these owners in Quebec City and Las Vegas are dumb enough to cough up the 500 mil for an expansion team, then they're going to watch the NHL fold two teams that they could have relocated for free. Or they're going to watch a Johnny-come-lately (smart cookie) owner swoop in, buy the Panthers for a song (~100 mil), and move them to Seattle without having to pay any extra fees.   :)

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I see the league doing one of these in a couple of years.

 

The NHL with 32 teams 16 in each conference 8 in each division 
 
Toronto 
Ottawa 
Montreal 
Buffalo 
Quebec (expansion)
Boston 
Detroit
Tampa 
 
Pittsburgh
Rangers 
Islanders 
Devils
Washington 
Carolina
Columbus 
Philadelphia 
 
St.Louis
Dallas 
Chicago
Winnipeg 
Minnesota 
Nashville 
Colorado 
Las Vegas (expansion)
 
Calgary 
Edmonton 
Vancouver 
Los Angeles 
Anaheim 
San Jose 
Phoenix 
Seattle (relocation of Florida)
 
But I wouldn't be opposed to 8 divisions either such as:  
 
Eastern Conference
 
Canada East Division
Montreal
Quebec
Toronto
Ottawa
 
US NorthEast Division
NY Islanders
NY Rangers
Boston
Buffalo
 
US Atlantic Division
Philadelphia
Washington
NJ Devils
Pittsburgh
 
US South Division
Carolina
Nashville
Florida
Tampa
 
Canada West Division
Edmonton
Calgary
Winnipeg
Vancouver
 
The US Lakes Division
Columbus
Detroit
Chicago
Minnesota
 
The US Plains Division
Dallas
St. Louis
Las Vegas
Colorado
 
The US Pacific Division
LA
Anaheim
San Jose
Phoenix
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I think if they went with 8 divisions I'd rank the top 4 division winners in each conference 1-4 and then pick the next top 4 teams in the East and West based upon points record thus some divisions may only have one team in the playoffs.

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I see the league doing one of these in a couple of years.

 

The NHL with 32 teams 16 in each conference 8 in each division 
 
Toronto 
Ottawa 
Montreal 
Buffalo 
Quebec (expansion)
Boston 
Detroit
Tampa 
 
Pittsburgh
Rangers 
Islanders 
Devils
Washington 
Carolina
Columbus 
Philadelphia 
 
St.Louis
Dallas 
Chicago
Winnipeg 
Minnesota 
Nashville 
Colorado 
Las Vegas (expansion)
 
Calgary 
Edmonton 
Vancouver 
Los Angeles 
Anaheim 
San Jose 
Phoenix 
Seattle (relocation of Florida)
 
But I wouldn't be opposed to 8 divisions either such as:  
 
Eastern Conference
 
Canada East Division
Montreal
Quebec
Toronto
Ottawa
 
US NorthEast Division
NY Islanders
NY Rangers
Boston
Buffalo
 
US Atlantic Division
Philadelphia
Washington
NJ Devils
Pittsburgh
 
US South Division
Carolina
Nashville
Florida
Tampa
 
Canada West Division
Edmonton
Calgary
Winnipeg
Vancouver
 
The US Lakes Division
Columbus
Detroit
Chicago
Minnesota
 
The US Plains Division
Dallas
St. Louis
Las Vegas
Colorado
 
The US Pacific Division
LA
Anaheim
San Jose
Phoenix

 

 

Except Florida is NOT moving. We're talking about expansions, NOT relocation.

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I still like the idea of three conferences.  :D  It could work, and the NHL could introduce another new trophy (the Bettman trophy?) that players would never touch. It's perfect. :ph34r:

 

How would you set up the playoffs?

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Eastern Conference
  • Ottawa 
  • Montreal
  • Quebec City
  • Boston 
  • Tampa Bay
  • Pittsburgh
  • Rangers
  • Islanders
  • Devils
  • Washington
  • Philadelphia 
 
Central Conference
 
  • Toronto 
  • Detroit
  • Chicago
  • St.Louis
  • Minnesota
  • Winnipeg
  • Nashville
  • Markham (the second team in the GTA)
  • Columbus
  • Buffalo
 
Western Conference
 
  • Calgary 
  • Edmonton 
  • Vancouver 
  • Los Angeles 
  • Anaheim 
  • San Jose
  • Colorado
  • Seattle
  • Dallas
  • Las Vegas

 

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How would you set up the playoffs?

 

Like this:

 

DIVISION VIEW (with no thought put into the teams in each division):

 

Eastern Conference
  • Ottawa 
  • Montreal
  • Quebec City
  • Boston 
  • Tampa Bay

 

  • Pittsburgh
  • Rangers
  • Islanders
  • Devils
  • Washington
  • Philadelphia 
 
Central Conference
 
  • Toronto 
  • Detroit
  • Chicago
  • St.Louis
  • Minnesota

 

  • Winnipeg
  • Nashville
  • Markham (the second team in the GTA)
  • Columbus
  • Buffalo
 
Western Conference
 
  • Calgary 
  • Edmonton 
  • Vancouver 
  • Los Angeles 
  • Anaheim 

 

  • San Jose
  • Colorado
  • Seattle
  • Dallas
  • Las Vegas

 

I made up two divisions per conference (teams would have to be shuffled around a bit, but this is quick and dirty)......

 

Top team in each division is in for sure. The rest are determined by points within their conference until you arrive at 16 total teams. Each conference will send at least 5 teams into the playoffs (total). The remaining team will be a "wildcard" team that can come from any conference. 

 

 

CONFERENCE VIEW (with teams sorted by points for pretend):

 

 

Eastern Conference
  • Ottawa - 1
  • Montreal - 2
  • Quebec City - 3
  • Boston - 4
  • Tampa Bay - 5
  • Pittsburgh  (wildcard team)
  • Rangers
  • Islanders
  • Devils
  • Washington
  • Philadelphia 
 
Central Conference
 
  • Toronto - 1
  • Detroit - 2
  • Chicago - 3
  • St.Louis - 4
  • Minnesota - 5
  • Winnipeg
  • Nashville
  • Markham (the second team in the GTA)
  • Columbus
  • Buffalo
 
Western Conference
 
  • Calgary - 1
  • Edmonton - 2
  • Vancouver - 3
  • Los Angeles - 4
  • Anaheim - 5
  • San Jose
  • Colorado
  • Seattle
  • Dallas
  • Las Vegas
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