Flyers 2023 Entry Level Draft - 7th overall (confirmed)

[ruxpin]

2 hours ago, GratefulFlyers said:

And unless somehow the Flyers acquire exclusive knowledge of the arrangement

 

Exactly.

Which is plausible given the warm relations the Flyers organization has always historically had with the Russians/Soviets.

[OccamsRazor]

1 hour ago, ruxpin said:

 

Exactly.

Which is plausible given the warm relations the Flyers organization has always historically had with the Russians/Soviets.

 

Thank you was my point around here somewhere.

 

The luck they have had with Vorobyev, Rubstov and the shipped to Siberia never to be heard from again.

 

No I'd rather gamble on the next best player on my board.

 

Sorry can't afford another 1st round miss.

[OccamsRazor]

So will Danny move Ivan for number 10 (Blues)??

 

[OccamsRazor]

Smaht scouting has this kid (Axel Sandin Pellikka) as the top rank defender so Flyers certainly need to do their due diligence on these kids because they must hit this draft.

 

RHD 5-11 180. And wearing Kimmo's number has me doing my research....very good skater.

 

 

Could have a very Swede top pair of the future with him and Andrea. Hhhhhhmmmmm...

[pilldoc]

2 hours ago, OccamsRazor said:

Smaht scouting has this kid (Axel Sandin Pellikka) as the top rank defender so Flyers certainly need to do their due diligence on these kids because they must hit this draft.

 

RHD 5-11 180. And wearing Kimmo's number has me doing my research....very good skater.

 

 

Could have a very Swede top pair of the future with him and Andrea. Hhhhhhmmmmm...

 

 

Unless the Flyers are able to somehow get beck into the 1st round there is no way  I rank Pellikka ahead of Reinbacker.   The general consensus among draft pundits is that Sandin Pellikka will go in the mid-to-late teens come draft day. NHL teams may be more attracted to David Reinbacher’s physical maturity and complete game.

 

The biggest knock on Pellikka is his size. (5'11" 181 lbs. vs 6'2" 187 lbs.)  Sandin Pellikka has the potential to be a top-four defenceman who is also a powerplay quarterback. Unless he greatly improves his defensive game he will more than likely never be a top-two defender. He has the makings of a 40-plus point powerplay specialist.  Is that someone you really want to draft at #7.  With this draft so deep, I really don't see teams trading their top 20 picks.  the other biggest question mark others have pointed out is his defensive game is not his strongest quality, but he knows how to position himself to create giveaway opportunities.

 

I will agree regardless of what he lacks, he makes up for it with his smart passes, mobility, and puck-carrying prowess.  He is one of the most offensively gifted defenders in the 2023 Draft. He has a high offensive IQ to go along with slick puck-moving abilities.

 

Again ... if the Flyers draft a forward at #7 and are able to somehow get back into the top 20, then yes, I agree, he should be a target.  There is not guarantee the Flyers can pull off that type of move therefore at #7 the Flyers must draft, IMHO BPA and if that is the case then  Pellikkas should not be in the conversation at #7.

[OccamsRazor]

43 minutes ago, pilldoc said:

Is that someone you really want to draft at #7. 

 

Hard to say at this point.

 

I wonder if you could trade Ivan to either the Blues for 10 or Yotes for 12 and maybe take the kid there.

 

I had seen rumors of them maybe working something out with those two clubs to try and get back into the top 15.

 

As I said just rumors and speculation at this point.

 

7 Dvorsky

 

12 Pellikka

 

Now I can get behind that.

 

Seen some mention he has a potential for top 2 and floor would be top 4.

 

At this point there is no sure thing outside the top 3 you have to roll the dice a little if you want to gain something.

 

[radoran]

On 5/26/2023 at 10:40 PM, OccamsRazor said:

So will Danny move Ivan for number 10 (Blues)??

 

 

Would you take Casey Mittelstadt+?

 

[OccamsRazor]

1 hour ago, radoran said:

 

Would you take Casey Mittelstadt+?

 

 

Hhhhmmmm that is a tricky one.

 

Depends on what the plus is.

 

But I'd rather have JJ Peterka instead never been the biggest fan of Casey's.

 

Peterka plus and yes why not.

 

 

 

Edited May 30, 2023 by OccamsRazor
Not sure why auto changed the 2nd spelling only.

[OccamsRazor]

 

[RonJeremy]

On 5/29/2023 at 7:55 PM, pilldoc said:

 

 

Unless the Flyers are able to somehow get beck into the 1st round there is no way  I rank Pellikka ahead of Reinbacker.   The general consensus among draft pundits is that Sandin Pellikka will go in the mid-to-late teens come draft day. NHL teams may be more attracted to David Reinbacher’s physical maturity and complete game.

 

The biggest knock on Pellikka is his size. (5'11" 181 lbs. vs 6'2" 187 lbs.)  Sandin Pellikka has the potential to be a top-four defenceman who is also a powerplay quarterback. Unless he greatly improves his defensive game he will more than likely never be a top-two defender. He has the makings of a 40-plus point powerplay specialist.  Is that someone you really want to draft at #7.  With this draft so deep, I really don't see teams trading their top 20 picks.  the other biggest question mark others have pointed out is his defensive game is not his strongest quality, but he knows how to position himself to create giveaway opportunities.

 

I will agree regardless of what he lacks, he makes up for it with his smart passes, mobility, and puck-carrying prowess.  He is one of the most offensively gifted defenders in the 2023 Draft. He has a high offensive IQ to go along with slick puck-moving abilities.

 

Again ... if the Flyers draft a forward at #7 and are able to somehow get back into the top 20, then yes, I agree, he should be a target.  There is not guarantee the Flyers can pull off that type of move therefore at #7 the Flyers must draft, IMHO BPA and if that is the case then  Pellikkas should not be in the conversation at #7.

We already have two small offensive style dmen in Andre and York,.so we are better off going for the all around dman with better size .

[OccamsRazor]

5 minutes ago, RonJeremy said:

We already have two small offensive style dmen in Andre and York,.so we are better off going for the all around dman with better size .

 

You have to always go BPA i think till those guys are on the scene and shown they can be keepers you still go BPA. York looks good so far but at one time so did Provorov.

[OccamsRazor]

On 5/29/2023 at 9:27 PM, radoran said:

 

Would you take Casey Mittelstadt+?

 

 

 

How about this???

 

This is hard one....

 

just to clarify ONLY if Carlsson is there.

 

 

Edited May 31, 2023 by OccamsRazor

[radoran]

1 minute ago, OccamsRazor said:

This is hard one....

 

I think San Jose says no.

 

If the winner of a trade is the team that got the best player, the player at #4 c/should be the best player of that group.

[OccamsRazor]

6 minutes ago, radoran said:

 

I think San Jose says no.

 

If the winner of a trade is the team that got the best player, the player at #4 c/should be the best player of that group.

 

Would depend on if they thought they could get Ivan (was a 7th himself) playing well like he was with Niskanen.

 

I think he and Karlsson could be damn good.

 

Then you only move back 3 spots and still get a good to great player plus your backup goalie and maybe more.

 

 

[pilldoc]

16 minutes ago, radoran said:

 

I think San Jose says no.

 

If the winner of a trade is the team that got the best player, the player at #4 c/should be the best player of that group.

 

6 minutes ago, OccamsRazor said:

 

Would depend on if they thought they could get Ivan (was a 7th himself) playing well like he was with Niskanen.

 

I think he and Karlsson could be damn good.

 

Then you only move back 3 spots and still get a good to great player plus your backup goalie and maybe more.

 

 

 

Let's think this through .....

 

1. Chicago takes Bedard (no brainer)

2. Anaheim take Fantilli (again no brainer)

 

Now the interesting part ......what does Columbus do?

3. Carlsson? / Smith? / Michkov

 

If Columbus takes Carlsson whom is SJ target? Smith? Michkov?  If SJ is targeting Michkov (as I have seen some mocks) if the Sharks really feel Michkov would drop because of his Russian status, I could potentially see a trade  with Flyers. Then ..

 

4. Flyers take Smith

5. Montreal goes Benson

6. Arizona take Reinbacher

7. SJ takes Michkov .....

 

I don't think Montreal or Arizona goes Michkov if available.

 

What if Columbus goes Smith? (again I have seen some mocks with this scenario)

3.  Columbus goes Smith

 

Then I can still see a trade potentially happen with SJ.

4. Flyers take Carlsson

5. Montreal goes Benson

6. Arizona goes Reinbacher

7. SJ goes Michkov .... top 3 talent going at #7

 

However if Columbus goes Michkov then all bets are off the table....

3 Columbus goes Michkov

 

I don't think SJ makes the trade with the Flyers .....

4. SJ goes Michkov

5. Montreal goes either Carlsson or Benson

6. Arizona goes Carlsson or Benson (outside shot at maybe Reinbacher)

7 Flyers Carlsson or Benson if Reinbacker goes at #6 to Arizona.

 

If I'm the Flyers .... I'm ok moving Provy to get top 4 if it means getting top rated forward (which they need regardless)

 

I'm in the camp with @radoran  I just don't think SJ pulls the trigger ..... unless they feel Michkov would drop to #7 to them.

[radoran]

29 minutes ago, pilldoc said:

If I'm the Flyers .... I'm ok moving Provy to get top 4 if it means getting top rated forward (which they need regardless)

 

 I do that deal today.

 

I hope San Jose bites.

[pilldoc]

55 minutes ago, radoran said:

 

 I do that deal today.

 

I hope San Jose bites.

agreed….,

to SJ …. You WILL trade your #4 overall pick to Flyers

 

 

[GratefulFlyers]

2 hours ago, pilldoc said:

If I'm the Flyers .... I'm ok moving Provy to get top 4 if it means getting top rated forward (which they need regardless)

Like everyone I’d say yes to the trade (though no one is trading a top 4 pick in this draft for Provorov). But I would say no to the Flyers needing a “top rated forward” because I like the forward group now with or without Couturier and/or Atkinson coming back. I think I like it more without the 2 veterans. Those roster spots should be filled by the younger forwards we’ve already seen play well last year. Most of them took big strides in their NHL games. Then there’s also Bobby Brink who’s said to be ready…I forget who else….

 

Anyway the Flyers have forwards what they need is one or two D-men who can actually defend the net, handle the puck under pressure and pot some goals. Not easy to find and Provorov’s pretty close but he and Sanheim need help, the kind of help Rasmus Ristolainen can’t provide.

[GrittyForever]

On 5/24/2023 at 6:55 PM, radoran said:

 

2016 was a terrible draft. Look at all the players around the 22nd pick and Tage Thompson has JUST emerged seven years later and 20 other teams "missed."

 

The chances that Thompson's career arc matches any time in Philadelphia are slim.

Tage Thompson is an anomaly and shouldn't be used for any comparables. He's a freakishly big man but looked like a giraffe on skates at first. Not a banger or power forward type so it took him a long time to grow into his body and find a way to play and use his skills. Uses his reach now and controls space before unleashing a cannon of a wrist shot. Kind of a unique player in many ways. 

 

If you're going to talk late picks you might as well go Henrik Zetterberg , Brett Hull, or Pavel Datsyuk. But there's no point to that. It's just luck.

 

I'm not sure how all the Buffalo stuff got in here but why are people talking Casey Mittelstat and JJ Peterka? Sabres might deal Mittlestadt but I wouldn't want him and Peterka won't be dealt. Can't see that after his world's performance. If we did deal for him it would be pretty ironic though. We trade all our 2nd rounders away to Buffalo and then trade for one of their earlier 2nd round picks. Brilliant. 

 

You might be able to interest Buffalo in Provorov I suppose. They do want a D man. 

 

 

[radoran]

23 minutes ago, GrittyForever said:

I'm not sure how all the Buffalo stuff got in here but why are people talking Casey Mittelstat and JJ Peterka?

 

It's rumors about who might be available, that's all.

 

23 minutes ago, GrittyForever said:

If you're going to talk late picks you might as well go Henrik Zetterberg , Brett Hull, or Pavel Datsyuk

 

Zetterberg and Datusyuk won't happen again because eyerone's Euro scouting is so much better - because of those guys.

 

Hull was "pudgy, fun-loving, music-crazed bum" (his autobiography) and no one saw him as a dedicated player. He changed.

 

23 minutes ago, GrittyForever said:

Tage Thompson is an anomaly and shouldn't be used for any comparables.

 

Right, the reason he was even brought up is that he's sitting there in the 20s of 2016 and stands out (and not just because he's a giraffe).

 

But it also took him six years to "break out" and that's time that no player Travis Sanheim and Scott Laughton get in Philadelphia.

Edited May 31, 2023 by radoran
Sanheim/Laughton, duh

[JR Ewing]

18 minutes ago, radoran said:

Hull was "pudgy, fun-loving, music-crazed bum" (his autobiography) and no one saw him as a dedicated player. He changed.

 

 

This article from Eric Duhatschek, the day after the trade, is good stuff. Classic hometown reporting, right down to comparing the team to the 1927 Yankees.

 

 

My favourite Brett Hull story was from when he playing for Ken Hitchcock in Dallas, and they were just oil and water. The day after being shutout 1-0, Hitch gathered the team at practice and spent a long time eulogizing about how the team shouldn't be looking to score goals, that goals don't matter.

 

 

[GrittyForever]

42 minutes ago, radoran said:

 

It's rumors about who might be available, that's all.

 

Peterka isn't available. 

 

They are definitely looking to move Olafsson though. Speaking of late rounders   One dimensional player with a big shot who does score goals and might help a PP but definitely not an all around player. He's on the block though for sure. 

[radoran]

1 minute ago, GrittyForever said:

Peterka isn't available. 

 

That was Occ responding to me bringing up Mittelstadt.

 

Occ likes to covet players.

 

2 minutes ago, GrittyForever said:

He's on the block though for sure. 

 

We'll see where Danny goes. (I don't think Olofsson is "his type" of player, but stranger things...)

 

[OccamsRazor]

7 hours ago, pilldoc said:

What if Columbus goes Smith? (again I have seen some mocks with this scenario)

3.  Columbus goes Smith

 

Then I can still see a trade potentially happen with SJ.

4. Flyers take Carlsson

 

I agree.

 

7 hours ago, pilldoc said:

I'm in the camp with @radoran  I just don't think SJ pulls the trigger ..... unless they feel Michkov would drop to #7 to them.

 

I agree to it just feels to unreal to work out like that for the Flyers why?? Please see Nolan Patrick!

 

But all of this certainly is worth the wishing right?? What else do we have to do??

[OccamsRazor]

3 hours ago, GrittyForever said:

JJ Peterka?

 

Diamond in the rough and trying to swindle the Sabres Flyers could steal him from them i am hoping for a shot at center and another left hand shot which they need and i have never like ol Casey very much.

 

I think the kid is a star in the making - can never have enough young forwards plus he has two more years on his entry level contract which would help with the Flyer and their lack of cap space damn you Chuck!!!