DaGreatGazoo Posted April 15, 2014 Share Posted April 15, 2014 Philly Sportsspace @PHIsportsspace 3mThe #Flyers have signed D Andrew MacDonald to multi-year contract extension Tim Panaccio @tpanotchCSN 4mFlyers have re-signed Andrew MacDonald Retweeted by Tim PanaccioDave Isaac @davegisaac 2mMacDonald’s deal is six years $30 million. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJgoal Posted April 15, 2014 Share Posted April 15, 2014 Terms not disclosed, multi-year extension. http://flyers.nhl.com/club/news.htm?id=714852 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJgoal Posted April 15, 2014 Share Posted April 15, 2014 Beat me to it. Mods can probably merge the topics. 5 million is more than I'd like, less than I'd feared. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaGreatGazoo Posted April 15, 2014 Author Share Posted April 15, 2014 MacDonald's 6-year, $30M deal with Philly does not include a NTC or NMC Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyercanuck Posted April 15, 2014 Share Posted April 15, 2014 @AJgoal Good news . (holds breath on terms, length, NTC/NMCs) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyercanuck Posted April 15, 2014 Share Posted April 15, 2014 Annnnnd Homer overpays again. Not brutal, but 500,000 here, a million there adds up to less quality somewhere else. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pensuck Posted April 15, 2014 Share Posted April 15, 2014 It Is What It Is I Guess. Good, Solid Young Dman. He's Looked Pretty Good So Far. After Reading An Article On Kimmo Yesterday Im Not Sure He's Done Yet. I Have To Think Someone (Grossman) Gets Traded After This Season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaGreatGazoo Posted April 15, 2014 Author Share Posted April 15, 2014 Personally, I don't want Kimmo back. Sorry, but time to turn the page and start getting these young guys into the mix. It's a slight overpayment, IMO. However, it's the same money we would have paid Matt Carle. Not saying that MacDonald is equal/greater than Carle, but this just seems to be the going rate for D-men these days. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
murraycraven Posted April 15, 2014 Share Posted April 15, 2014 I like the signing... I like the Player and think he can be a steady staple to this defense for years. 5M is a little too much IMO... although, I like that Homer did not hand out his usual NMC... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JackStraw Posted April 15, 2014 Share Posted April 15, 2014 More than I expected but I think I can live with it. Early prediction... he wins the Ashbee next year. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
radoran Posted April 15, 2014 Share Posted April 15, 2014 Too much for too long. I like the player, but $5M for 6 is just too much. By way of comparison, Matt Carle scored 35, 40 and 38 points for the Flyers in the three years before the organization balked at giving him, what? $5.5M (or less before the FA market) Just for the record, that's more points than MacDonald has in his career. Four points in 19 games, -3 for the Flyers. 24 points in 63 games for the Islanders, -19. $5M Heckuvajob Homer 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brelic Posted April 15, 2014 Share Posted April 15, 2014 Too much for too long. I like the player, but $5M for 6 is just too much. By way of comparison, Matt Carle scored 35, 40 and 38 points for the Flyers in the three years before the organization balked at giving him, what? $5.5M (or less before the FA market) Just for the record, that's more points than MacDonald has in his career. Four points in 19 games, -3 for the Flyers. 24 points in 63 games for the Islanders, -19. $5M Heckuvajob Homer Agreed. I like the guy, and I think he fits in nicely here. But $5M for a 2nd pairing guy with mediocre offensive skills for SIX years is too much for too long. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
radoran Posted April 15, 2014 Share Posted April 15, 2014 Agreed. I like the guy, and I think he fits in nicely here. But $5M for a 2nd pairing guy with mediocre offensive skills for SIX years is too much for too long. Just posted this in the shoutbox, but Meltzer says on teh Twitters MacDonald got his open market value to sign and pre-empt UFA. No more and no less. To recap Meltzer's opinion - the "market value" for a guy who has never hit 30 points in his career is $500K less than the value of a guy who has hit 40 twice and 30+ five times (Carle) - not to mention the prorated 22 points in 48 games last season. That's in-frikkin-sane from where I sit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brelic Posted April 15, 2014 Share Posted April 15, 2014 Just posted this in the shoutbox, but Meltzer says on teh Twitters To recap Meltzer's opinion - the "market value" for a guy who has never hit 30 points in his career is $500K less than the value of a guy who has hit 40 twice and 30+ five times (Carle) - not to mention the prorated 22 points in 48 games last season. That's in-frikkin-sane from where I sit. Yeah, I'm not sure that's market value. Here are his hit comparables: http://capgeek.com/comparables/?player_id=1110&year_id=2014 Martin, Paul » 33 PIT 5 2010 2015 $5,000,000 $5,000,000 8.42% $0Edler, Alexander » 27 VAN 6 2013 2019 $4,250,000 $5,000,000 7.78% $0Gonchar, Sergei » 40 DAL 2 2013 2015 $5,000,000 $5,000,000 7.78% $0MacDonald, Andrew » 27 PHI 6 2014 2020 $5,000,000 $5,000,000 7.03% $0Pronger, Chris » 39 PHI 7 2010 2017 $4,000,000 $4,941,429 8.32% $58,571Bogosian, Zach » 23 WPG 7 2013 2020 $4,000,000 $5,142,857 8.00% $142,857Faulk, Justin » 22 CAR 6 2014 2020 $2,500,000 $4,833,333 6.80% $166,667Byfuglien, Dustin » 29 WPG 5 2011 2016 $5,750,000 $5,200,000 8.09% $200,000Visnovsky, L. » 37 NYI 2 2013 2015 $6,000,000 $4,750,000 7.39% $250,000Yandle, Keith » 27 PHX 5 2011 2016 $5,500,000 $5,250,000 8.16% $250,000Streit, Mark » 36 PHI 4 2013 2017 $6,250,000 $5,250,000 8.16% $250,000Kronwall, Niklas » 33 DET 7 2012 2019 $6,000,000 $4,750,000 6.77% $250,000Wideman, Dennis » 31 CGY 5 2012 2017 $5,000,000 $5,250,000 7.48% $250,000McDonagh, Ryan » 24 NYR 6 2013 2019 $4,300,000 $4,700,000 7.31% $300,000Goligoski, Alex » 28 DAL 4 2012 2016 $4,800,000 $4,600,000 6.55% $400,000Garrison, Jason » 29 VAN 6 2012 2018 $5,000,000 $4,600,000 6.55% $400,000Bouwmeester, Jay » 30 STL 5 2014 2019 $5,000,000 $5,400,000 7.59% $400,000Bieksa, Kevin » 32 VAN 5 2011 2016 $4,000,000 $4,600,000 7.15% $400,000Hamhuis, Dan » 31 VAN 6 2010 2016 $4,250,000 $4,500,000 7.58% $500,000Wisniewski, James » 30 CLB 6 2011 2017 $5,000,000 $5,500,000 8.55% $500,000Tyutin, Fedor » 30 CLB 6 2012 2018 $4,750,000 $4,500,000 6.41% $500,000 I would take the majority of those guys over AMac at this salary. So by "market value" Meltzer must surely mean this summer's market. Which makes sense. But taken holistically, AMac is not worth $5M, not based on what he's actually accomplished in the NHL, and the potential development he offers. But it is what it is, I guess. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
radoran Posted April 15, 2014 Share Posted April 15, 2014 I would take the majority of those guys over AMac at this salary. So by "market value" Meltzer must surely mean this summer's market. Which makes sense. But taken holistically, AMac is not worth $5M, not based on what he's actually accomplished in the NHL, and the potential development he offers.But it is what it is, I guess. Let's look apples to apples. Keith Yandle is 27, with two 50 point seasons, two 40 point seasons and two 30 point seasons. He's signed for $5.5M on a deal from 2011. Andrew MacDonald is 27, with a 27 point season, a 19, 12 in 48 and then 28 points (combined this season). He's now signed for $5M. For the record, I do think Yandle will get more on his next deal. In 2016. Jason Garrison is 29, scored 30 points in his second season and got a $4.6M AAV contract with Vancouver through 2018. He then posted 16 in 47 and hit 30 again this season. Neither of those guys IMO makes MacDonald's "market value" $5M per for six years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
murraycraven Posted April 15, 2014 Share Posted April 15, 2014 Neither of those guys IMO makes MacDonald's "market value" $5M per for six years. puts it into context... I was hoping nothing more than 4.5M and would have walked at 5M. Again, I like the player but that is a big contract for a guy who really is a 2nd pairing type player. No wonder we have the highest defensive payroll in the league - Homer throws at any defensman he can... If I were a servicable NHL defenseman I would target the Flyers as a FA - God knows Homer will shower any defenseman with cash. Letting Matt Carle walk just looks dumb and dumber... 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Green Man Posted April 15, 2014 Share Posted April 15, 2014 This is a solid move and the going rate for a #2 d-man - so I have no issue with the deal. Not great, but a solid move for a young player who has played very well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yave1964 Posted April 15, 2014 Share Posted April 15, 2014 I like the signing, I was hoping the Wings would have went after him at the deadline. Led the league in blocks with 242. Has a nice intelligent crisp first pass. Can run the power play if called upon. Six years seems a bit long but hey, defense is a bit thin in the UFA market this year and it is best to get him locked up so you don't wind up with a slug. Overall decent signing but contract a tad long. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
radoran Posted April 15, 2014 Share Posted April 15, 2014 Six years seems a bit long but hey, defense is a bit thin in the UFA market this year and it is best to get him locked up so you don't wind up with a slug. Overall decent signing but contract a tad long. My issue is that they are filling a "next year" need with a "six year" deal - again. Well, that and the concept that the Flyers' "#2" defenceman next season has never scored 30 points in a season. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
murraycraven Posted April 15, 2014 Share Posted April 15, 2014 My issue is that they are filling a "next year" need with a "six year" deal - again. Well, that and the concept that the Flyers' "#2" defenceman next season has never scored 30 points in a season. Deep breathing Rad... it will help. Wait until homer brings back Kimmo for another 1 yr deal worth 6M. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
radoran Posted April 15, 2014 Share Posted April 15, 2014 Deep breathing Rad... it will help. Wait until homer brings back Kimmo for another 1 yr deal worth 6M. No, really, murray - having last year's top two Islanders' defencemen as the Flyers' 1/2 is an upgrade for the Flyers. Or, you know, something... Again, I can't even imagine what some people around here would say if, for example, the Pens or Rangers (or, say, Sabres) had decided to sign the Islanders' top D pairing as an "improvement." For the next three years at a combined $10.25M on the cap. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JackStraw Posted April 15, 2014 Share Posted April 15, 2014 Six years seems a bit long but hey, defense is a bit thin in the UFA market this year and it is best to get him locked up so you don't wind up with a slug. Overall decent signing but contract a tad long. A bit long yes but he'll only be 33 when it ends. So basically they've got him locked up (but without a NTC/NMC) for his prime years. For Paul Holmgren, this represents progress. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commander Clueless Posted April 15, 2014 Share Posted April 15, 2014 Good player, and he seems to have played well for the Flyers. Good on them to keep him. That said, $5 mil per for MacDonald seems a bit...steep. Of course this is coming from a fan of the team that pays Phagoof $7 mil, so....what do I know? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brelic Posted April 15, 2014 Share Posted April 15, 2014 My issue is that they are filling a "next year" need with a "six year" deal - again. Well, that and the concept that the Flyers' "#2" defenceman next season has never scored 30 points in a season. I think this is a good point here, rad: we're filling a need for the next few years with a six-year commitment. Morin, Hagg, and Ghost *should* surpass AMac within six-years for sure. It just seems like Homer gives out long expensive contracts to players who are not necessarily part of the core. A six-year contract is for your top pairing guy(s), IMO. Not your bottom 4 defensemen. Those guys typically get 2-4 year deals. I just went through the top 10-12 teams on Capgeek, and the Flyers are basically the only team that has multiple defensemen (6) committed to 3+ years. One of those guys is Pronger. And 5 of those 6 have some form of NMC/NTC - only AMac does not. Most of those top 12 teams have 2 or 3. TB and Chicago have 4. LA has 0. I just don't see any evidence that AMac *earned* a $30 million payday based on his play with the Flyers (19 GP, 4 pts, -3)? What about his career (295 GP, 89 pts, -11)? He will also be 28 when the next season starts. He's pretty close to being a finished product, if he isn't already, so there shouldn't be much expectation for growth. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TedZep Posted April 15, 2014 Share Posted April 15, 2014 Does the six years make him more tradeable three years from now, when the current crop of young'ns is ready for the Bigs? A 30 year old defensmen, making "only" $5 million for three more years might be attractive at the 2017 deadline. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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