bertuzzi Moore lawsuit appears settled

[yave1964]

In a very surprising move, a month away from the long awaited lawsuit involving Steve Moore and Todd Bertuzzi appears to have been settled.

It is surprising because it appeared that Moore planned on dragging the NHL through court, he raised his request from 38 million to 68 million just a few months ago.

Terms have not been announced, supposedly a blanket is being thrown on things by the court, but that wont last, hell I have already read anywhere from 15-18 million and possibly a little more coming not from Bertuzzi but from the NHL itself.

Well that is that, unless rumors of a little snag here or there are true but snags will get worked out. No winners, Moore is getting a hell of a payday but at a tremendous personal cost, Bertuzzi will always be remembered for this one incident above all others, and the NHL taking so long to get this done has given them a black eye although not as large of a one as they would have gotten if Bettman, ect..all had been forced to testify.

Lets get on to some hockey.

[jammer2]

@yave1964  The very latest is a volatile e-mail may have put the whole deal in jeopardy. Just get this damn thing done already, 10+ years is long enough to drag out this crap.

[flyercanuck]

@jammer2

 

 The word is it's hung up on what Moore's allowed to say after he gets paid. I guess they want him to take the money and shutup.

[jammer2]

@jammer2

 

 The word is it's hung up on what Moore's allowed to say after he gets paid. I guess they want him to take the money and shutup.

 

 Good, then Windsor is well on it's way to having another millionaire....ha ha.

[J0e Th0rnton]

@jammer2

 

 The word is it's hung up on what Moore's allowed to say after he gets paid. I guess they want him to take the money and shutup.

I read another report that a third party was planning on financially aiding Bertuzzi to keep it from going to court because they did not want the ugly nature of "The code" and other violent stuff to become predominant in the media again in a long court battle. Can't remember if it was the NHLPA or NHL itself listed as the third party, but I can't find the article. It was linked on twitter. ill keep looking.

[Polaris922]

Kudos to Moore. If the NHL had made a $15 million dollar offer back then I think this would've ended ten years ago. I don't see this as unreasonable on Moore's part at all. I know some of you disagree, but the majority if what I see on hockey comments is anti-Bertuzzi over this issue, and Moore could've pushed that much farther.

[jammer2]

@Polaris922    Moore got a lot of coverage in Windsor, he moved here as a kid. I think he was an up and comer, could have even squeezed a few 20 goal seasons out of his skill set, who knows?  He was just starting to come into his own, got promoted to the 2nd line due to hustle and hard work....what a shame.

[Vanflyer]

Kudos to Moore.

 

Eff Moore AND Eff Bertuzzi, Crawford and the NHL and NHLPA. 

 

I wonder what this board would think had Hextall broken Chelios neck in retaliation for his hit to Propp? Or had Lemieux broken Drapers neck. 

 

Dont get me wrong, I hate dirty hits- yet they are a part of the game. For me, once you agree to cash your pay check, you acknowledge the risk involved. Its a waiver in my mind to any type of litigation (sans the Mcsorely type of stuff). 

 

Moore was a barely a pro hockey player. Horrible defensively with little to none offense skill- at any level. @jammer2 to suggest that he would have / could have been a 20 goal scorer at the NHL level is a complete joke- with all due respect. 

 

I think people forget that Steve Moore tried to decapitate Marcus Naslunds head. 

 

You have a punk (steve moore) gunning to take the best player on the Vancouver squad off the ice (and the leading scorer in the NHL) not just for the game, but for the playoffs. 

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XhnptY29ZZM

 

You know what moores NHL salary was? 425K. 

 

That mofo just hit the effing lottery. He could barely play hockey for the Hershey Bears and was only wearing an Avs sweater because it was the playoffs and an expanded roster. 

 

I think Crawford is an ass (not of the Tortella ilk, but not far away), but what he did was 100% correct. Unfortunately, Bertuzzi is / was a mammoth hockey player and that is what broke Moores neck. 

 

Naslund has told some friends of mine in Vancouver that Moore was asked to dance 3 times by three different Vancouver players. He pussied out. Crawford was irate (as he should have been). The biggest mistake is that he sent Bertuzzi to do the dirty work (who at that time was one of best power forwards in the game). 

 

He should have sent a fourth line scrub. 

[jammer2]

@Vanflyer   I was watching Moore closely because he was from Windsor. First off, he stayed at Harvard for the 4 full years. He was a late bloomer. He started out with the Ave's as a defensive specialist, playing the 4th line checking role, taking a regular shift on the pk. He made the 3rd line center in his final year. His face off skills went from average to above average. He worked so hard, that 3 weeks before the fatal Bertuzzi ice slam, he had been promoted to the 2nd line center. The kid was smart, skated well and had a very underrated shot. He was rising through the ranks. Classic late bloomer due to the full NCAA stay. I believe 15-20 goals was not only possible, it was inevitable. He was steadily improving.

[Vanflyer]

I was watching Moore closely because he was from Windsor.

 

Hi Jammer- I will give you a pass on this because he is a home town boy. 

 

You are disillusioned about him. Its great that he is smart and well educated. But you will have to agree that the ECAC does not hold a candle to both CHL or USHL programs. 

 

Moore was lucky to be in the show. 

 

I am not sure how you can say late bloomer. At 25 y/o 57 gp, 5g, 7a, 12pts and a -5 (and 40% in the f/o circle).  He is not an Umbergur (who WAS a late bloomer and a good comparison regarding age). 

[J0e Th0rnton]

@Vanflyer   I was watching Moore closely because he was from Windsor. First off, he stayed at Harvard for the 4 full years. He was a late bloomer. He started out with the Ave's as a defensive specialist, playing the 4th line checking role, taking a regular shift on the pk. He made the 3rd line center in his final year. His face off skills went from average to above average. He worked so hard, that 3 weeks before the fatal Bertuzzi ice slam, he had been promoted to the 2nd line center. The kid was smart, skated well and had a very underrated shot. He was rising through the ranks. Classic late bloomer due to the full NCAA stay. I believe 15-20 goals was not only possible, it was inevitable. He was steadily improving.

I disagree.

He played in a 4th line energy role and was destined to be nothing more than that, despite his effort. The guy was sent down and recalled so many times due to the massive amounts of injuries(especially at center) the avs had that year, not because he had earned his place. Including several other call up's who were the avs's first choice call up's before him) who got injured. His faceoff skills were below average and he was a 3rd/4th choice for the center on the PK behind a left winger they had playing center.

[Polaris922]

Eff Moore AND Eff Bertuzzi, Crawford and the NHL and NHLPA. 

 

I wonder what this board would think had Hextall broken Chelios neck in retaliation for his hit to Propp? Or had Lemieux broken Drapers neck. 

 

Dont get me wrong, I hate dirty hits- yet they are a part of the game. For me, once you agree to cash your pay check, you acknowledge the risk involved. Its a waiver in my mind to any type of litigation (sans the Mcsorely type of stuff). 

 

Moore was a barely a pro hockey player. Horrible defensively with little to none offense skill- at any level. @jammer2 to suggest that he would have / could have been a 20 goal scorer at the NHL level is a complete joke- with all due respect. 

 

I think people forget that Steve Moore tried to decapitate Marcus Naslunds head. 

 

You have a punk (steve moore) gunning to take the best player on the Vancouver squad off the ice (and the leading scorer in the NHL) not just for the game, but for the playoffs. 

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XhnptY29ZZM

 

You know what moores NHL salary was? 425K. 

 

That mofo just hit the effing lottery. He could barely play hockey for the Hershey Bears and was only wearing an Avs sweater because it was the playoffs and an expanded roster. 

 

I think Crawford is an ass (not of the Tortella ilk, but not far away), but what he did was 100% correct. Unfortunately, Bertuzzi is / was a mammoth hockey player and that is what broke Moores neck. 

 

Naslund has told some friends of mine in Vancouver that Moore was asked to dance 3 times by three different Vancouver players. He pussied out. Crawford was irate (as he should have been). The biggest mistake is that he sent Bertuzzi to do the dirty work (who at that time was one of best power forwards in the game). 

 

He should have sent a fourth line scrub. 

 

It's simple math though...  the bottom NHL salary remains upwards of half a million per year.  Let's say the guy is  Craig Adams type who just remains comfortably in the fourth line role all of his career, and manages to work out a ten year stint.  Nothing extreme right?  Add to that investment opportunities at an average 10% growth rate through safe mutual funds.. and you have a very sizable chunk of change.  Add to that the fact that he is battling a lifetime of spinal problems and I don't see where anything here is out of this world.  In fact, you could easily blame the NHL for not offering up a reasonable settlement earlier and putting it all behind them ten years ago.  

 

In addition, you say "Its a waiver in my mind to any type of litigation (sans the Mcsorely type of stuff). "... but that is exactly what this is.  100% McSorley type stuff.  Moore had already fought in the game to answer for his sins.  Do you just keep going round after round?  And how chicken **** was Bertuzzi here?  At least skate up face to face and drop a glove letting him know it's coming.  He wants to take the punch it's his choice, but at least he sees it coming.  How many videos do you see of thug teenagers sucker punching pedestrians and say "those kids should rot in hell".  How is this any different?  To say the hit on Naslund was malicious is ridiculous.  He didn't even throw his elbow out.  Naslund is going down and Moore had him lined up for a shoulder check.  Naslund slides down and Moore catches his head instead.  Should Moore have tried to avoid contact?  Sure.. but it's hardly the lynching everybody has made it out to be.  In fact, we see worse than that on a regular basis if not in every single game.  Really wasn't much to it. 

[Old School Hockey]

@Vanflyer   I was watching Moore closely because he was from Windsor. First off, he stayed at Harvard for the 4 full years. He was a late bloomer. He started out with the Ave's as a defensive specialist, playing the 4th line checking role, taking a regular shift on the pk. He made the 3rd line center in his final year. His face off skills went from average to above average. He worked so hard, that 3 weeks before the fatal Bertuzzi ice slam, he had been promoted to the 2nd line center. The kid was smart, skated well and had a very underrated shot. He was rising through the ranks. Classic late bloomer due to the full NCAA stay. I believe 15-20 goals was not only possible, it was inevitable. He was steadily improving.

Moore was NOT cracking that lineup when they were healthy.

Moore was board line AHL play at best.

[Vanflyer]

And how chicken **** was Bertuzzi here?  At least skate up face to face and drop a glove letting him know it's coming.

 

I do agree with that. Especially someone like Bertuzzi who was Lindros esque in his ability to be both a power forward and more than adequately handle himself with dropping the mitts. I think it was just a completely eff'd up situation that starts and stops with Crawford. There was no reason in the world to send Bertuzzi for retaliation. As I mentioned previously, send out a 4th line hacker- even if it screwed the line match-ups, if the intent was to send a stronger message. 

[Vanflyer]

To say the hit on Naslund was malicious is ridiculous.  He didn't even throw his elbow out.  Naslund is going down and Moore had him lined up for a shoulder check.  

 

The problem for me is that Moore had ZERO interest in playing the puck. The puck slid right by him. He had Naslund lined up in the trolley tracks and his ONLY thought was to nail Naslund. Naslund was vulnerable, for sure. But its not like when a player intentionally turns their back along the boards putting themselves into a vulnerable position. Naslund was trying to make a hockey play. 

 

Neither of us are swammies, so we have not idea what Moore might have done. Yet, if his past was any indication of his future, he would have been riding the buses in the AHL, or less. 

 

Also, Moore did not answer the bell. There was a mild scrum after the hit, but ZERO fight. Bertuzzi repeatedly challenged Moore to fight on that shift and Moore puss ied out instead of manning up. Had he just fought Bertuzzi, it would be a none-issue today. While Moore certainly is not a Claude Lemieux, he still is a chump in my book. 

[Polaris922]

The problem for me is that Moore had ZERO interest in playing the puck. The puck slid right by him. He had Naslund lined up in the trolley tracks and his ONLY thought was to nail Naslund. Naslund was vulnerable, for sure. But its not like when a player intentionally turns their back along the boards putting themselves into a vulnerable position. Naslund was trying to make a hockey play. 

 

Neither of us are swammies, so we have not idea what Moore might have done. Yet, if his past was any indication of his future, he would have been riding the buses in the AHL, or less. 

 

Also, Moore did not answer the bell. There was a mild scrum after the hit, but ZERO fight. Bertuzzi repeatedly challenged Moore to fight on that shift and Moore puss ied out instead of manning up. Had he just fought Bertuzzi, it would be a none-issue today. While Moore certainly is not a Claude Lemieux, he still is a chump in my book. 

 

Actually Moore did drop the gloves with Cooke prior to the Bertuzzi incident.  No problem though.  Just differing opinions.  

[Vanflyer]

Actually Moore did drop the gloves with Cooke prior to the Bertuzzi incident.  No problem though.  Just differing opinions.  

 

I did not know that, but I find it humorous in a sardonic kind of way that Cooke would be the one to challenge/fight Moore. I guess its kettle meet pot. :-) 

[yave1964]

@Vanflyer

He DID answer the bell. Earlier in the Bertuzzi game, he fought Matt Cooke. That should have been the end of it. Crawford decided to keep it going by having Bert lumber after him.

What he might or might have earned in the future is relevant but not the only issue. The fact is, Bertuzzi pled guilty to assault in Canadian court and Bettman made a bad situation worse by a combination of douchery and playing hardball/burying his head in the sand letting this drag on, the longer it went the more that Moore was destined to get. If a real commish had simply stepped in and said make this happen, nine, ten years ago it would be a forgotten footnote by now.

[Vanflyer]

He DID answer the bell. Earlier in the Bertuzzi game, he fought Matt Cooke. That should have been the end of it. Crawford decided to keep it going by having Bert lumber after him.

 

I will have to look for that (and have tried prior). If its true, its odd for me that one of the dirtiest players in the league.

 

I watched it.

 

Matt Cooke was / is a light weight. The culpability really lays with crawford.

 

Scott Stevens ended Eric Lindros career and there was no court case. Steve Moore and his havard degree and his millions as a punk player., Hmmmmmm 

[Vanflyer]

The fact is, Bertuzzi pled guilty to assault in Canadian court and Bettman made a bad situation worse by a combination of douchery and playing hardball/burying his head in the sand letting this drag on, the longer it went the more that Moore was destined to get. If a real commish had simply stepped in and said make this happen, nine, ten years ago it would be a forgotten footnote by now.

 

This is the rub for me. I could post dozens upon dozens of plays that should go to court at the NHL level. Christ, look at the hit Ryan (flyers) put on Bergeon!! Ulf Sameulson, Eric Lindros, Kasparitis. All made plays to intentionally injure players. I guess I just cant get it. Call me stupid if you want. While it was an egregious play, there are tons of plays I could show that are worse. Moore is a *****. 

[J0e Th0rnton]

It's simple math though...  the bottom NHL salary remains upwards of half a million per year.  Let's say the guy is  Craig Adams type who just remains comfortably in the fourth line role all of his career, and manages to work out a ten year stint.  Nothing extreme right?  Add to that investment opportunities at an average 10% growth rate through safe mutual funds.. and you have a very sizable chunk of change.  Add to that the fact that he is battling a lifetime of spinal problems and I don't see where anything here is out of this world.  In fact, you could easily blame the NHL for not offering up a reasonable settlement earlier and putting it all behind them ten years ago.  

 

In addition, you say "Its a waiver in my mind to any type of litigation (sans the Mcsorely type of stuff). "... but that is exactly what this is.  100% McSorley type stuff.  Moore had already fought in the game to answer for his sins.  Do you just keep going round after round?  And how chicken **** was Bertuzzi here?  At least skate up face to face and drop a glove letting him know it's coming.  He wants to take the punch it's his choice, but at least he sees it coming.  How many videos do you see of thug teenagers sucker punching pedestrians and say "those kids should rot in hell".  How is this any different?  To say the hit on Naslund was malicious is ridiculous.  He didn't even throw his elbow out.  Naslund is going down and Moore had him lined up for a shoulder check.  Naslund slides down and Moore catches his head instead.  Should Moore have tried to avoid contact?  Sure.. but it's hardly the lynching everybody has made it out to be.  In fact, we see worse than that on a regular basis if not in every single game.  Really wasn't much to it. 

 

Sorry. A pedestrian is an innocent bystander.

 

I liken bertuzzi's sucker punch more to this situation.

 

Not so innocent recipient.

[JR Ewing]

Sorry. A pedestrian is an innocent bystander.

I liken bertuzzi's sucker punch more to this situation.

Not so innocent recipient.

Moore wasn't so innocent (though I still don't think the hit was THAT bad) but there was three weeks between games, not 5 seconds like this. Moore had paid his price, according the idiotic Code, and shouldn't reasonably expected Bertuzzi to do what he did, though I've never known you to make that claim in all these years.

[jammer2]

  Is this the second time that an NHL play has hit the court system?  The only other one I can recall was the infamous Wayne Maki vs Ted Green stick swinging incident. They were both found not guilty. A nice write up with some still shots....

 

 http://www.greatesthockeylegends.com/2013/01/wayne-maki-and-terrible-stick-swinging.html

[J0e Th0rnton]

Moore wasn't so innocent (though I still don't think the hit was THAT bad) but there was three weeks between games, not 5 seconds like this. Moore had paid his price, according the idiotic Code, and shouldn't reasonably expected Bertuzzi to do what he did, though I've never known you to make that claim in all these years.

It might have been 3 weeks between games, however, the canucks were absolutely convinced Moore was a cup of coffee barely NHL caliber call up trying to make a name for himself by showing he will headhunt and take out star players. Revenge was going to happen one way or the other, and not the "fight another small guy" type revenge. The "get your head beat in for intentionally taking out our top player" type. A mere fight is not enough. Bettman attending the next game as a "Behave, or else" gesture delayed it.

 

Obviously, no, he was not expecting that type of revenge. Neither was I. but I was not surprised. It is hardly the worst thing I have ever seen. In fact, I have seen far worse sucker punches and deliberate baseball swinging of sticks. Of course, the way he landed and the end result of several thousand pounds of bodies, legs and skates piling on top of his head was not what was intended at all IMO.

 

Either way, it was the result being punished, not the crime. And it was punished. I agree Moore is entitled to some repayment financially. But IMO, he is a 2-3 year at most 4th line shrub only there because of injuries call up at league minimum pay, and then a 10 year AHLer. Even Avs fans at the time were never surprised when he was sent back down to the minors 4 times and could not wait for real players and bottom liners to get healthy. The Avs had ridiculous amount of injuries that year.

[Polaris922]

Sorry. A pedestrian is an innocent bystander.

I liken bertuzzi's sucker punch more to this situation.

Not so innocent recipient.

I'm thinking you must be following "the green stuff" topic because to relate Moore skating up the ice to get into a play in a professional sport with some punk kid picking fights on the street and being the aggressor tells me you're high. Lol