yave1964 Posted June 25, 2016 Share Posted June 25, 2016 Wow. The Wings have wanted to trade Datsyuks contract, after seeing the Hawks forced to give up prospect/current top nine forward Terravainen to move out a bad contract, it looked as if the Wings were going to be forced to either a) keep the contract or b) part with Athanasiou or last years first, rugged winger Svletnichov. Instead, the Wings dumped Datsyuk's contract on the 'Yotes, trading pick 16 (Jakob Chychrum) and acquiring pick 20 and pick 53. So they moved down 4 spots, also got a second rounder and got rid of Pavel's contract. Ken Holland, thank you for waking up and doing something. We are now a real player in the Stamkos sweepstakes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ruxpin Posted June 25, 2016 Share Posted June 25, 2016 @yave1964 Your thread title says it all. Seriously, he pantsed him and took his Planet of the Apes lunch box. For the right to draft a second pairing defenseman. I guess it was mostly about the cap floor for the cheap as hell Coyotes, right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Samifan Posted June 25, 2016 Share Posted June 25, 2016 This has to be the best title for a thread EVER! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yave1964 Posted June 25, 2016 Author Share Posted June 25, 2016 Just now, ruxpin said: @yave1964 Your thread title says it all. Seriously, he pantsed him and took his Planet of the Apes lunch box. For the right to draft a second pairing defenseman. I guess it was mostly about the cap floor for the cheap as hell Coyotes, right? blows my mind. All week we have heard that Mantha, Athanasiou or another top prospect would be the cost. Instead we moved down 4 spots and added a second and got rid of Pavel's 7.5 million dollar albatross. Simply amazed that Holland pulled this off. Still giddy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ruxpin Posted June 25, 2016 Share Posted June 25, 2016 1 minute ago, yave1964 said: blows my mind. All week we have heard that Mantha, Athanasiou or another top prospect would be the cost. Instead we moved down 4 spots and added a second and got rid of Pavel's 7.5 million dollar albatross. Simply amazed that Holland pulled this off. Still giddy. Holland has to be holding Chayka's Care Bear collection hostage or something. Just utterly ridiculous trade. Yeah, if I'm a Wings fan I'm giddy, too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yave1964 Posted June 25, 2016 Author Share Posted June 25, 2016 1 minute ago, Samifan said: This has to be the best title for a thread EVER! I know that this is a politically correct world and I debated on if I should change it but this has to be the definition of the term, Hockey wise. Jeff Chayka is the youngest GM in hockey, many more trades like this and he will be the youngest GM fired. Still high fiving family members. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FD19372 Posted June 25, 2016 Share Posted June 25, 2016 Good God, couldn't Holland have at least bought Chayka a drink first? I can't believe he got a team to take that contract. Besides which, I thought Datsyuk was going back to Russia to play hockey. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpikeDDS Posted June 25, 2016 Share Posted June 25, 2016 45 minutes ago, FD19372 said: Good God, couldn't Holland have at least bought Chayka a drink first? I can't believe he got a team to take that contract. Besides which, I thought Datsyuk was going back to Russia to play hockey. Uh, he is. All the more reason this is completely beyond reason! Judging by Chayka's judgment, it appears Holland bought him SEVERAL drinks, and he drank them ALL! I am stunned--STUNNED--that KH pulled this off! If you told me he was going to do this, I would have laughed and my drink would have been coming out of my nostrils! The genius is that I wonder if the Wings ended up getting the 1st round pick they would have taken at #16 ANYWAY! It was well understood that they were looking for D. <shaking my head> Mr. Holland, you've still got it! As much as I have been critical of your history of late, you get MORE than full marks for this one! Trade of the decade? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlaskaFlyerFan Posted June 25, 2016 Share Posted June 25, 2016 1 hour ago, Samifan said: This has to be the best title for a thread EVER! I disagree. Fleeced would have been a better choice of words. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nossagog Posted June 25, 2016 Share Posted June 25, 2016 NOT SO FAST MY FRIENDS! I can't believe that the NHL let this happen. This is the most obvious case of cap circumvention there has ever been. For that matter, if I'm a GM of one of the teams that's looking at Stamkos or part of the Metro division, I'm on the line to the NHL tonight with a complaint. But you guys have it wrong with Pheonix, you seem to think they got jobbed, I don't get it. IT's about the MONEY. The 'yotes haven't gone near the cap ceiling in years, heck, they've been near the floor a few times. This deal let's them save even more money this year as I read it. They can be $7.5M under the cap this year in salary with this cap hit and not have to pay Datzyuk a dime of salary. The NHLPA has to be furious about that. This just put a few million in the pocket of the owner. Add in his expansion money and he's drinking some champagne tonight. This was a clear money thing, in the end, the owner may get $7.5M for a second round pick. Edit: Almost forgot, Vitale may not be ready for the season due to a serious concussion. So the 'yotes also save $1.3M in guaranteed salary for a player who may not be there next year. The title of the thread might have well said "Coyotes to make profit in 2017 for a draft pick" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Polaris922 Posted June 25, 2016 Share Posted June 25, 2016 It's a shame the league allows a GM to cheapen the game with such tactics. It's not the first such move though so I would imagine it will stand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Polaris922 Posted June 25, 2016 Share Posted June 25, 2016 per Nicholas Cotsonika, NHL.com " This was not a bad deal for the Coyotes. They drafted the player they wanted, Jakob Chychrun, a defenseman from Sarnia of the Ontario Hockey League. They gave up a second-round pick, but they had cap space, won't have to pay Datsyuk's salary and got out of paying Vitale's salary. " Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ruxpin Posted June 25, 2016 Share Posted June 25, 2016 @nossagog I understand everything you wrote. I really do. Even I acknowledged this was about money for the erstwhile junior high intern. However, to take on $7.5M of a dead contact from a GM whose franchise actually wants to provide a product while making money and who clearly desperately wants to move that contact to clear room to do something huge... To only move 4 spots and give up a second in the meantime just to pick a second pairing defenseman.... Yeah, jobbed (to stick with your word). I realize the Coyotes just as desperately need to get to the cap floor and have no interest in actually investing in product-relevant materials/assets to do it. So I'm sure Holland knew Chaska wasn't in a strong Bluff position. But I still think The Mighty Hero Diaper Man could have and should have gotten more than 4 spots up for a second pairing Dean. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ruxpin Posted June 25, 2016 Share Posted June 25, 2016 6 hours ago, Polaris922 said: It's a shame the league allows a GM to cheapen the game with such tactics. It's not the first such move though so I would imagine it will stand. As a Flyer fan, the Pronger thing quickly comes to mind. Just like @yave1964, I was gleeful when that happened. But yeah, I don't really think it's in the spirit of the game or whatever. I don't know that the owners would be inclined to shut that down, though, and the NHLPA is basically prostrate. So this might continue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yave1964 Posted June 25, 2016 Author Share Posted June 25, 2016 8 hours ago, AlaskaFlyerFan said: I disagree. Fleeced would have been a better choice of words. fixed. With apologies, the title was post was placed mere seconds after the trade was announced, my wife used the term to describe the trade, I laughed and used it. Apologies to those who it offended. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yave1964 Posted June 25, 2016 Author Share Posted June 25, 2016 @nossagog @Polaris922 AGREED it is absolute BS that this is allowed to happen. It is equally BS that a player can retire and his cap hit, unpaid mind you, is alowed to count against the team for the following year or years if he retires mid-contract. It is also BS that a player can 'retire' and go play in another league while under said contract. No winners here in that regard. Just the absurdities of the current CBA. I pray to God that common sense legislation occurs in the next CBA. But that might be too much to hope for. If it were Malkin instead of Datsyuk you would understand my anger at the player, anger at the organization and anger at the stupidity of the rules. This is not Pronger or Horton or Marc Savard, this is a healthy player under contract who retired and went to play elsewhere and I am and will remain forever bitter towards him and it will take awhile to get over it enough to even look back in fondness. I understand your frustration with the rules of the game allowing this crap believe me. It should never occur, just as Datsyuk should be hit with an injunction disallowing him to play in Russia while under contract here. That is a slippery slope my friends. But the point of this thread is WOW, within the confines of the rule, did Holland ever get one over on a rookie GM. To move up four spots he paid one hell of a price, he gave up pick 20 which turned into a nice puck mover from the back end for the Wings, he gave up a second rounder as well. Vitale is useless, doubts are that he will ever play, but he will be LTIR'd and forgotten, the difference being Datsyuks contract will not have to be paid, Vitale will indeed receive his money but on LTIR it will not hurt the cap. So to move the contract of Datsyuk the cost was indeed minimal for Holland who did a wonderful job. @SpikeDDS yes I am over it as far as Holland is concerned. Great job by him. Still gonna be awhile with Dats. Wow what a trade. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJgoal Posted June 25, 2016 Share Posted June 25, 2016 I have no issues with it. Until the league makes a few fixes to the over-35 rule, teams are going to find a way around it. Besides, Datsyuk has only said he'd be retiring. He hasn't done so yet. Perhaps he'll change his mind. The bigger issue to me is that the league focused so hard on keeping a team in Arizona that's having to resort to picking up non-contracts in order to afford to meet the cap floor. Arizona should have moved out of Glendale several years ago. It's not working. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpikeDDS Posted June 25, 2016 Share Posted June 25, 2016 41 minutes ago, AJgoal said: I have no issues with it. Until the league makes a few fixes to the over-35 rule, teams are going to find a way around it. Besides, Datsyuk has only said he'd be retiring. He hasn't done so yet. Perhaps he'll change his mind. The bigger issue to me is that the league focused so hard on keeping a team in Arizona that's having to resort to picking up non-contracts in order to afford to meet the cap floor. Arizona should have moved out of Glendale several years ago. It's not working. Well, there's an opening in Las Vegas..oh, wait...never mind! <SMH!> See my sig line. Vegas is the next Phoenix. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJgoal Posted June 25, 2016 Share Posted June 25, 2016 Just now, SpikeDDS said: Well, there's an opening in Las Vegas..oh, wait...never mind! <SMH!> See my sig line. Vegas is the next Phoenix. I don't like a team in the desert, But I could see the Vegas team doing well just because of the casinos. You'll have hockey fans in town of various other teams that will want tickets, and the casinos will probably use tickets and boxes as comps. When and if the team starts to have sustained success, locals will start to compete with the casinos for tickets. The unique setup that Vegas has gives it an edge to a team surviving and possibly even thriving that places like Carolina and Arizona don't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old School Hockey Posted June 25, 2016 Share Posted June 25, 2016 13 hours ago, yave1964 said: Wow. The Wings have wanted to trade Datsyuks contract, after seeing the Hawks forced to give up prospect/current top nine forward Terravainen to move out a bad contract, it looked as if the Wings were going to be forced to either a) keep the contract or b) part with Athanasiou or last years first, rugged winger Svletnichov. Instead, the Wings dumped Datsyuk's contract on the 'Yotes, trading pick 16 (Jakob Chychrum) and acquiring pick 20 and pick 53. So they moved down 4 spots, also got a second rounder and got rid of Pavel's contract. Ken Holland, thank you for waking up and doing something. We are now a real player in the Stamkos sweepstakes. Didn't they also take back a 1.5m contract in Joe Vitale??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old School Hockey Posted June 25, 2016 Share Posted June 25, 2016 10 hours ago, nossagog said: NOT SO FAST MY FRIENDS! I can't believe that the NHL let this happen. This is the most obvious case of cap circumvention there has ever been. For that matter, if I'm a GM of one of the teams that's looking at Stamkos or part of the Metro division, I'm on the line to the NHL tonight with a complaint. But you guys have it wrong with Pheonix, you seem to think they got jobbed, I don't get it. IT's about the MONEY. The 'yotes haven't gone near the cap ceiling in years, heck, they've been near the floor a few times. This deal let's them save even more money this year as I read it. They can be $7.5M under the cap this year in salary with this cap hit and not have to pay Datzyuk a dime of salary. The NHLPA has to be furious about that. This just put a few million in the pocket of the owner. Add in his expansion money and he's drinking some champagne tonight. This was a clear money thing, in the end, the owner may get $7.5M for a second round pick. Edit: Almost forgot, Vitale may not be ready for the season due to a serious concussion. So the 'yotes also save $1.3M in guaranteed salary for a player who may not be there next year. The title of the thread might have well said "Coyotes to make profit in 2017 for a draft pick" BULLSH1T. The Pronger deal set the tone!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpikeDDS Posted June 25, 2016 Share Posted June 25, 2016 53 minutes ago, Old School Hockey said: Didn't they also take back a 1.5m contract in Joe Vitale??? Yes, they did. Still a great deal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Samifan Posted June 25, 2016 Share Posted June 25, 2016 3 hours ago, AJgoal said: I have no issues with it. Until the league makes a few fixes to the over-35 rule, teams are going to find a way around it. Besides, Datsyuk has only said he'd be retiring. He hasn't done so yet. Perhaps he'll change his mind. The bigger issue to me is that the league focused so hard on keeping a team in Arizona that's having to resort to picking up non-contracts in order to afford to meet the cap floor. Arizona should have moved out of Glendale several years ago. It's not working. Arizona Coyotes: Where bad NHL contracts go to die. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpikeDDS Posted June 25, 2016 Share Posted June 25, 2016 2 hours ago, AJgoal said: I don't like a team in the desert, But I could see the Vegas team doing well just because of the casinos. You'll have hockey fans in town of various other teams that will want tickets, and the casinos will probably use tickets and boxes as comps. When and if the team starts to have sustained success, locals will start to compete with the casinos for tickets. The unique setup that Vegas has gives it an edge to a team surviving and possibly even thriving that places like Carolina and Arizona don't. If Vegas also ends up getting an NFL franchise (being seriously considered, and a MUCH better fit), it will mean the certain demise of the hockey franchise in Vegas. If Vegas is just being considered the place to start a new franchise in order to eventually move it to a city where a hockey franchise will actually have a serious chance to flourish, then OK. Phoenix would already be long gone if it wasn't Bettman's baby. See Atlanta. See my sig line. Again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old School Hockey Posted June 25, 2016 Share Posted June 25, 2016 3 minutes ago, SpikeDDS said: Yes, they did. Still a great deal. Very cheap depth player. But I think I read he has concussion issues, so they just LTIR him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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