OccamsRazor Posted June 25, 2018 Author Share Posted June 25, 2018 I would love to see the Flyers trade Neuvy and Radko for Craig Anderson....two years it's worth the gamble I think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobbyClarkeFan16 Posted June 25, 2018 Share Posted June 25, 2018 So just saw that Riley Sheahan wasn't qualified by Pittsburgh. Going to be 27 in January, 6'3, 210 pounds and put up 32 points in a checking role. Is he worth signing to be the new third line center? Put him on a line with Laughton at left wing and Simmonds/Aube-Kubel on the right side. Yay or nay? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlaskaFlyerFan Posted June 25, 2018 Share Posted June 25, 2018 Some interesting names on the list. https://www.prohockeyrumors.com/2018/06/list-of-players-who-will-not-receive-a-2018-qualifying-offer.html List Of Players Who Will Not Receive A 2018 Qualifying Offer June 25, 2018 at 1:36 pm CDT | by Gavin Lee 6 Comments The deadline to issue a qualifying offer to pending restricted free agents comes down at 4pm today, making any player who has not received one eligible to become an unrestricted free agent, though it does not stop them from re-signing with the team for a different amount. Below are the players who will not be issued a qualifying offer. This page will continue to update as more teams release their lists: Anaheim Ducks Arizona Coyotes Boston Bruins Buffalo Sabres F Victor Antipin, G Robin Lehner, F Scott Wilson Calgary Flames F Austin Carroll, F Emile Poirier, F Daniel Pribyl, F Nick Shore, F Hunter Smith Carolina Hurricanes F Phillip Di Giuseppe, F Joakim Nordstrom, F Sergey Tolchinsky, D Klas Dahlbeck, D Tyler Ganly, D Keegan Kanzig Chicago Blackhawks D Adam Clendening, F Anthony Duclair, F Tomas Jurco, F Michael Chaput Colorado Avalanche D Duncan Siemens, F Nail Yakupov, F Reid Petryk, F Felix Girard, D Jesse Graham Columbus Blue Jackets F Ryan Kujawinski Dallas Stars F Cole Ully Detroit Red Wings D Dan Renouf, F Zach Nastasiuk Edmonton Oilers F Iiro Pakarinen, D Ben Betker, F Kyle Platzer Florida Panthers D Edward Wittchow, F Gregory Chase Los Angeles Kings F Tobias Rieder, F Justin Auger, D Jordan Subban Minnesota Wild G Steve Michalek, D Dylan Labbe, F Adam Gilmour, G Adam Vay Montreal Canadiens F Logan Shaw, F Daniel Carr, F Jeremy Gregoire, D Tom Parisi, G Zach Fucale Nashville Predators (none) New Jersey Devils G Ken Appleby, F Mario Lucia New York Islanders F Alan Quine, F Shane Prince, D Brandon Davidson, F Kyle Schempp New York Rangers F Adam Tambellini Ottawa Senators D Fredrik Claesson, F Nick Moutrey, G Chris Driedger Philadelphia Flyers G Petr Mrazek Pittsburgh Penguins D Frank Corrado, F Riley Sheahan, F Tom Kuhnhackl, F Vincent Dunn San Jose Sharks D Dylan DeMelo St. Louis Blues F Justin Selman, D Thomas Vannelli Tampa Bay Lightning F Alex Gallant Toronto Maple Leafs (none) Vancouver Canucks D Derrick Pouliot, F Cole Cassels, D Anton Cederholm, F Griffen Molino, D Mackenze Stewart Vegas Golden Knights Washington Capitals F Devante Smith-Pelly, G Adam Carlson, F Adam Chapie, F Tim McGauley Winnipeg Jets D Joseph Morrow, D Jan Kostalek, F Jimmy Lodge, G Jamie Phillips Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ruxpin Posted June 25, 2018 Share Posted June 25, 2018 38 minutes ago, BobbyClarkeFan16 said: So just saw that Riley Sheahan wasn't qualified by Pittsburgh. Going to be 27 in January, 6'3, 210 pounds and put up 32 points in a checking role. Is he worth signing to be the new third line center? Put him on a line with Laughton at left wing and Simmonds/Aube-Kubel on the right side. Yay or nay? Make it happen. I'm game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobbyClarkeFan16 Posted June 26, 2018 Share Posted June 26, 2018 22 minutes ago, AlaskaFlyerFan said: Some interesting names on the list. https://www.prohockeyrumors.com/2018/06/list-of-players-who-will-not-receive-a-2018-qualifying-offer.html List Of Players Who Will Not Receive A 2018 Qualifying Offer June 25, 2018 at 1:36 pm CDT | by Gavin Lee 6 Comments The deadline to issue a qualifying offer to pending restricted free agents comes down at 4pm today, making any player who has not received one eligible to become an unrestricted free agent, though it does not stop them from re-signing with the team for a different amount. Below are the players who will not be issued a qualifying offer. This page will continue to update as more teams release their lists: Anaheim Ducks Arizona Coyotes Boston Bruins Buffalo Sabres F Victor Antipin, G Robin Lehner, F Scott Wilson Calgary Flames F Austin Carroll, F Emile Poirier, F Daniel Pribyl, F Nick Shore, F Hunter Smith Carolina Hurricanes F Phillip Di Giuseppe, F Joakim Nordstrom, F Sergey Tolchinsky, D Klas Dahlbeck, D Tyler Ganly, D Keegan Kanzig Chicago Blackhawks D Adam Clendening, F Anthony Duclair, F Tomas Jurco, F Michael Chaput Colorado Avalanche D Duncan Siemens, F Nail Yakupov, F Reid Petryk, F Felix Girard, D Jesse Graham Columbus Blue Jackets F Ryan Kujawinski Dallas Stars F Cole Ully Detroit Red Wings D Dan Renouf, F Zach Nastasiuk Edmonton Oilers F Iiro Pakarinen, D Ben Betker, F Kyle Platzer Florida Panthers D Edward Wittchow, F Gregory Chase Los Angeles Kings F Tobias Rieder, F Justin Auger, D Jordan Subban Minnesota Wild G Steve Michalek, D Dylan Labbe, F Adam Gilmour, G Adam Vay Montreal Canadiens F Logan Shaw, F Daniel Carr, F Jeremy Gregoire, D Tom Parisi, G Zach Fucale Nashville Predators (none) New Jersey Devils G Ken Appleby, F Mario Lucia New York Islanders F Alan Quine, F Shane Prince, D Brandon Davidson, F Kyle Schempp New York Rangers F Adam Tambellini Ottawa Senators D Fredrik Claesson, F Nick Moutrey, G Chris Driedger Philadelphia Flyers G Petr Mrazek Pittsburgh Penguins D Frank Corrado, F Riley Sheahan, F Tom Kuhnhackl, F Vincent Dunn San Jose Sharks D Dylan DeMelo St. Louis Blues F Justin Selman, D Thomas Vannelli Tampa Bay Lightning F Alex Gallant Toronto Maple Leafs (none) Vancouver Canucks D Derrick Pouliot, F Cole Cassels, D Anton Cederholm, F Griffen Molino, D Mackenze Stewart Vegas Golden Knights Washington Capitals F Devante Smith-Pelly, G Adam Carlson, F Adam Chapie, F Tim McGauley Winnipeg Jets D Joseph Morrow, D Jan Kostalek, F Jimmy Lodge, G Jamie Phillips From that list, there's three guys I'd like to see the Flyers target. As mentioned previously, Riley Sheahan would be the first guy I hope they target. The next would be Robin Lehner. The third would be Derrick Pouliot. Sheahan would fit that third line spot real well and Lehner could be the guy who bridges between Elliott and Hart. Lehner also played behind an awful defense in Buffalo, so it would be interesting to see how he does behind a decent defense (I'm thinking he might actually out perform Elliott and allow for a two year AHL development window for Hart). As for Pouliot, it's a reclamation project, but this is a guy who has good wheels, has some offensive pop to his game and could fill on the bottom pairing along side Hagg. I get that Pouliot was a -22 in Vancouver, but I think there's untapped potential there. I'm sure you could probably get all three on sweetheart deals too. Plus, in the case of a guy like Pouliot, no big deal if you sign him to the minimum, he stinks up the joint and you send him to the AHL. Not a big loss. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ruxpin Posted June 26, 2018 Share Posted June 26, 2018 11 minutes ago, BobbyClarkeFan16 said: From that list, there's three guys I'd like to see the Flyers target. As mentioned previously, Riley Sheahan would be the first guy I hope they target. The next would be Robin Lehner. The third would be Derrick Pouliot. Sheahan would fit that third line spot real well and Lehner could be the guy who bridges between Elliott and Hart. Lehner also played behind an awful defense in Buffalo, so it would be interesting to see how he does behind a decent defense (I'm thinking he might actually out perform Elliott and allow for a two year AHL development window for Hart). As for Pouliot, it's a reclamation project, but this is a guy who has good wheels, has some offensive pop to his game and could fill on the bottom pairing along side Hagg. I get that Pouliot was a -22 in Vancouver, but I think there's untapped potential there. I'm sure you could probably get all three on sweetheart deals too. Plus, in the case of a guy like Pouliot, no big deal if you sign him to the minimum, he stinks up the joint and you send him to the AHL. Not a big loss. Damn. I'm all about your choices on this. Make it happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyer4ever Posted June 26, 2018 Share Posted June 26, 2018 agree Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobbyClarkeFan16 Posted June 26, 2018 Share Posted June 26, 2018 anyone know Hextall's e-mail address? Lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ruxpin Posted June 26, 2018 Share Posted June 26, 2018 21 minutes ago, BobbyClarkeFan16 said: anyone know Hextall's e-mail address? Lol BlameHolmgren@philadelphiaflyers.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OccamsRazor Posted June 26, 2018 Author Share Posted June 26, 2018 On 6/24/2018 at 7:32 PM, ruxpin said: I'm okay with O'Reilly Well if you trade for O'Reilly I would certainly wait till after July 1st and his bonus has been paid. But man I think I would prefer to use the resources and money for Panarin instead of if I am trading for guy. Panarin has said he wants to play in a bigger hockey market. Philly is a good one. However it may take a three team trade like the Panthers did to the Sens to get Hoffman. Because I know the Jackets would hate to face the Breadman every year and regret that trade. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ruxpin Posted June 26, 2018 Share Posted June 26, 2018 7 minutes ago, OccamsRazor said: Well if you trade for O'Reilly I would certainly wait till after July 1st and his bonus has been paid. But man I think I would prefer to use the resources and money for Panarin instead of if I am trading for guy. Panarin has said he wants to play in a bigger hockey market. Philly is a good one. However it may take a three team trade like the Panthers did to the Sens to get Hoffman. Because I know the Jackets would hate to face the Breadman every year and regret that trade. Yeah, I'm good with that. I'd want to make sure he'll resign, but he's at an age that a longer contract doesn't bother me. They'll still need to plug the hole at 3C, but it looks like they'll have to go cheap there anyway. Get'er done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vis Posted June 26, 2018 Share Posted June 26, 2018 8 hours ago, brelic said: I don't think they will. Agree. Probably would have done it already. I just hate the thought of them in the organization. I hope at least one of them is AHL bound. I don’t like Hakstol being tempted to play either of them. 8 hours ago, brelic said: How long would you sign Bozak? No more than three years. Again, I’m not a huge Bozak fan, but I disagree that he isn’t an improvement over Laughton. Laughton brings little to the table and my 5 year old as better hockey sense. As for Vorobyev, I don’t know how well he progressed in the AHL this year. Same thing with Vecchione. If anything, I could see either slotted at 4C. Not sure about 3C. 8 hours ago, brelic said: Honestly, are they any better than Gudas? I don't think so. It would just be change for the sake of change. No. I don’t see anyone supplanting Gudas. If Hextall wants a righty, he’s got Myers waiting. 8 hours ago, brelic said: I think it's going to be a really slow and uneventful summer for Hextall when I look at the free agent options. For sure. I am not expecting much on July 1. 8 hours ago, brelic said: Trade is another story. I haven’t given full thought to the mechanics of acquiring ROR from a cap and trade perspective, but he’d be an awesome addition on the ice. They would be amazing down the middle for the next few years. Given where this team is cap wise, I kinda think I’d be ok taking on his contract. However, I wonder what we would have to give up to take him on. What other trade options are out there? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vis Posted June 26, 2018 Share Posted June 26, 2018 1 hour ago, OccamsRazor said: Well if you trade for O'Reilly I would certainly wait till after July 1st and his bonus has been paid. Why? Doesn’t move his cap hit. Probably the reason why Buffalo wants to trade him before then. It’s just $$$. I suspect the Flyers can afford it. 1 hour ago, OccamsRazor said: But man I think I would prefer to use the resources and money for Panarin instead of if I am trading for guy. How much do you think it will cost to sign Panarin long term? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OccamsRazor Posted June 26, 2018 Author Share Posted June 26, 2018 1 hour ago, ruxpin said: Yeah, I'm good with that. I'd want to make sure he'll resign, but he's at an age that a longer contract doesn't bother me. They'll still need to plug the hole at 3C, but it looks like they'll have to go cheap there anyway. Get'er done. They be money to sign a 3C options still I think. However I would love to know what they want for him before signing off on it. I would prefer to give them mostly draft pick compensation those so it would maybe be a deal killer depending on who the player the wanted back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OccamsRazor Posted June 26, 2018 Author Share Posted June 26, 2018 50 minutes ago, vis said: Why? Doesn’t move his cap hit. Probably the reason why Buffalo wants to trade him before then. It’s just $$$. I suspect the Flyers can afford it. How much do you think it will cost to sign Panarin long term? Can't say for sure. My biggest concern is what they want in return for him...and that could change my mind greatly...and yeah I know you have to give up something to get something. So it is fanstasy more likely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brelic Posted June 26, 2018 Share Posted June 26, 2018 9 hours ago, vis said: Agree. Probably would have done it already. I just hate the thought of them in the organization. I hope at least one of them is AHL bound. I don’t like Hakstol being tempted to play either of them. I know what you mean... I really do think they'll bury one of them. 9 hours ago, vis said: No more than three years. Again, I’m not a huge Bozak fan, but I disagree that he isn’t an improvement over Laughton. Laughton brings little to the table and my 5 year old as better hockey sense. Yeah, fair point. But is he a $5M/year improvement? Someone will definitely offer $5M/year for, say 5-6 years. I think it would be a mistake for the Flyers to be that team. I guess it comes down to what the plan is with 3C. Are they looking for a short term stopgap until Frost or Vorobyev are ready? Or are they looking for something a bit longer without worrying about prospects pushing for the job? 9 hours ago, vis said: No. I don’t see anyone supplanting Gudas. If Hextall wants a righty, he’s got Myers waiting. Exactly. Very slim pickins'. I'd try out Myers, especially since Morin is out most of the season. Provorov/Ghost Sanheim/MacDonald Myers/Gudas Hagg Or put Myers with MacDonald if you don't want two righties on the same pairing. I'd roll with that and see what happens. 9 hours ago, vis said: I haven’t given full thought to the mechanics of acquiring ROR from a cap and trade perspective, but he’d be an awesome addition on the ice. They would be amazing down the middle for the next few years. Given where this team is cap wise, I kinda think I’d be ok taking on his contract. However, I wonder what we would have to give up to take him on. What other trade options are out there? Good question. ROR would be interesting. Who replaces him in Buffalo? Reinhart? They would have to believe he's ready. Is Simmonds part of that trade? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ruxpin Posted June 26, 2018 Share Posted June 26, 2018 36 minutes ago, brelic said: Provorov/Ghost Sanheim/MacDonald Myers/Gudas Hagg Personally, I think Hagg is better than sitting. I'd make Gudas my 7th. This has a glaring problem especially early on, but I'd do this: Provorov /Ghost Hagg /MacDonald Sanheim /Myers Gudas My glaring problem is the two really green guys on the third pair. I think it will be okay in time, but it could prove to have problems early on, especially given our just slightly less than incredible goaltending. Might want to consider splitting Provorov and Ghost early on just to spread out the guys with some experience (can you believe we're already talking about Provorov as the guy with experience??). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brelic Posted June 26, 2018 Share Posted June 26, 2018 Eklund says the Flyers are interested in JVR. Regardless of the source, I'd be ok with that. 29 years old, 25-35 goals per year. I'd give him 4-5 years tops. 4 would be better. G/Coots/TK JVR/Patrick/Voracek Lindblom/3C/Simmonds Raffl/Vorobyev/Laughton That leaves Weal, Leier, Lehtera, and Weise. I'm also wondering if NAK is no longer waiver-eligible. Same draft as Morin. Thoughts? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brelic Posted June 26, 2018 Share Posted June 26, 2018 2 minutes ago, ruxpin said: Personally, I think Hagg is better than sitting. I'd make Gudas my 7th. This has a glaring problem especially early on, but I'd do this: Provorov /Ghost Hagg /MacDonald Sanheim /Myers Gudas 2 minutes ago, ruxpin said: My glaring problem is the two really green guys on the third pair. I think it will be okay in time, but it could prove to have problems early on, especially given our just slightly less than incredible goaltending. Lol, I thought for sure the problem would be Hagg and MacDonald. I agree that Hagg is better than sitting, but Gudas is a rightie, and I think he deserves a chance to redeem himself if he's still on the team come the fall. 2 minutes ago, ruxpin said: Might want to consider splitting Provorov and Ghost early on just to spread out the guys with some experience talent (can you believe we're already talking about Provorov as the guy with experience talent??). There was just a small typo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJgoal Posted June 26, 2018 Share Posted June 26, 2018 My biggest concern with O'Reilly is that 5th year could get dicey. Buffalo wants a Mike Richards-esque value for him. Not sure they'll get that. He'd be cheaper to acquire pre-July 1 though. Otherwise I'm fine with the player, and he can play wing when/if Frost is ready. Panarin appears to only want to play in New York, LA, or Chicago - though that's just a beat rumor, nothing he's outright stated. Pass on trading anything of value for him if he's just going to bolt next year. This is the first offseason that the Flyers might seriously be able to move MacDonald with some retained salary. I don't expect it to happen, but stranger things and all that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pilldoc Posted June 26, 2018 Share Posted June 26, 2018 25 minutes ago, brelic said: Eklund says the Flyers are interested in JVR. The prodigal son returning home ....... So inquiring minds want to know...if the Flyers bring back JVR, does Luke Schenn go back to the Leafs?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vis Posted June 26, 2018 Share Posted June 26, 2018 2 hours ago, brelic said: Yeah, fair point. But is he a $5M/year improvement? Someone will definitely offer $5M/year for, say 5-6 years. I think it would be a mistake for the Flyers to be that team. Agree. I could tolerate $5m for 2 or maybe 3 years given the cap space. But I do not want him signed at that amount beyond that. Might be able to tolerate a lower hit and that length, thinking he'd be a buyout candidate after year 3. I do wonder a little bit about how buyouts will work if the league opts out of the CBA in 2019. 2 hours ago, brelic said: I guess it comes down to what the plan is with 3C. Are they looking for a short term stopgap until Frost or Vorobyev are ready? Or are they looking for something a bit longer without worrying about prospects pushing for the job? Unless they trade for ROR or someone of that ilk, I would think stopgap. 2 hours ago, brelic said: Provorov/Ghost Sanheim/MacDonald Myers/Gudas Hagg Now that I am looking at things, that's a pretty crowded defense. It doesn't even reflect Morin, who should get ice time once he's healthy. I don't see them shelving MacDonald or Gudas in the press box or in the AHL. So, two of Hagg, Morin, Myers and Sanheim will be out of luck. Sanheim and Myers are waiver exempt, so they are the likely candidates to end up in the AHL (please do not carry 8 d-men again). Really interested to see what they do with this logjam. Of course, they could trade someone, likely one of the younger guys. 2 hours ago, brelic said: Good question. ROR would be interesting. Who replaces him in Buffalo? Reinhart? They would have to believe he's ready. No idea, but that's Buffalo's problem. They have Middlestadt coming up, but maybe he's a couple of years away. 2 hours ago, brelic said: Is Simmonds part of that trade? Probably. I don't think I'd have a major issue with that, sadly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vis Posted June 26, 2018 Share Posted June 26, 2018 1 hour ago, AJgoal said: My biggest concern with O'Reilly is that 5th year could get dicey. Buffalo wants a Mike Richards-esque value for him. Not sure they'll get that. He'd be cheaper to acquire pre-July 1 though. Otherwise I'm fine with the player, and he can play wing when/if Frost is ready. Agree, but chances are that Buffalo won't trade him after July 1 since they will be on the hook for his bonus. Re: value: Richards brought back Simmonds, Schenn and a second rounder. At the time, Richards was considered to have a cap friendly contract. Don't think that's the case with ROR's contract (which has a higher cap hit, but does have less term remaining than Richards' contract at the time of the trade). Moreover, I think it would be fair to argue that Richards was a better player leading up to the trade. 1 hour ago, AJgoal said: Panarin appears to only want to play in New York, LA, or Chicago - though that's just a beat rumor, nothing he's outright stated. Pass on trading anything of value for him if he's just going to bolt next year. Any trade for Panarin has to be conditioned upon getting an extension in place in advance of the trade going through. 1 hour ago, AJgoal said: This is the first offseason that the Flyers might seriously be able to move MacDonald with some retained salary. I don't expect it to happen, but stranger things and all that. Possible. But he's one of only two vets on the blueline (though Provorov plays like one and Ghost is approaching vet status). I would be surprised if he and Gudas are not in the lineup on opening night (unless another vet replaces them). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vis Posted June 26, 2018 Share Posted June 26, 2018 2 hours ago, brelic said: Eklund says the Flyers are interested in JVR. My level of "Yuck" depends on the contract. I don't know if he improves things all that much. Sadly, he and Neal are the only LW out there worth looking at. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mojo1917 Posted June 26, 2018 Share Posted June 26, 2018 17 hours ago, BobbyClarkeFan16 said: So just saw that Riley Sheahan wasn't qualified by Pittsburgh. Going to be 27 in January, 6'3, 210 pounds and put up 32 points in a checking role. Is he worth signing to be the new third line center? Put him on a line with Laughton at left wing and Simmonds/Aube-Kubel on the right side. Yay or nay? I guess if the term and cap hit are short and small it's not a bad move. On it's face this seems good, then I remember the Pens thought so highly of Sheahan they traded for Brassard. At the time I thought Sheahan was a significant drop off from Bonino. I guess I wasn't the only one. Does signing him gum up the works as far as seeing what becomes of, Rubstov, Voyrobev, and Veccione ? There's a lot to like about Sheahan, he looks great getting of the bus, and is a good player too, but is he really an upgrade ? I don't remember him on the the Pens PK, (that doesn''t mean he wasn't on it} having some speed and PK ability is paramount for me for the player in our 3C role. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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