caluso Posted March 25, 2013 Share Posted March 25, 2013 Am i the only one who noticed Couturier turn that 5 on 4 advantage into a 5 on 3 by standing in one spot and doing NOTHING during the penalty kill?Am i the only one to watch him lose puck battle after puck battle and then stand idly by while the Pens get scoring chance after scoring chance.PLEASE, PLEASE trade this clown - who is living off of one playoff series- for a young d-man. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pensuck Posted March 25, 2013 Share Posted March 25, 2013 He's having a bad year like a few other guys for sure. He's still young and I'll give him a mulligan this year being just his 2nd. If a team offered a "promising" young man is seriously consider it... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pensuck Posted March 25, 2013 Share Posted March 25, 2013 Young dman i'd consider it. That is. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jammer2 Posted March 25, 2013 Share Posted March 25, 2013 @pensuck I don't trade him for a big of peanuts or anything like that...Like you said, it's gotta be a smart move, like making him the centerpiece of the Yandle deal. The Yoes are starved for centers who matter. Even coots stinking like he has, would be a nice upgrade for the Yotes. If you can make that deal without giving up another roster player, or Shelly...lol, then you pull the trigger. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post doom88 Posted March 25, 2013 Popular Post Share Posted March 25, 2013 Let him develop, sheesh. Not everyone can be an allstar in year two. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fishbulb Posted March 25, 2013 Share Posted March 25, 2013 Yeah, coots has reeeeeeeallly struggled this year. It's odd... i didn't notice his speed being such an issue last year. Heck, he shadowed Malkin, who isn't exactly slow.But this year, he looks like he's skating in mud. It will be awful to see him develop into another Pat. Sharp, but if there's a Dman out there...Skating is such a dicey area... you can always improve it, but it's kinda like "ice vision"... you're either born with it or not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OccamsRazor Posted March 25, 2013 Share Posted March 25, 2013 I'm torn......it depends on who the young defensman coming back is......need a name...like Cam Fowler...Hhhhhhmmmm.... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bakanekimiwa Posted March 25, 2013 Share Posted March 25, 2013 it's been a what? 2 month season? you're going to trade him based on that? AND it's his sophomore slump year? he gets a mulligan this year.. from me at least. of course i'm always listening if he could be moved for the right D man.... but, that's a big IF. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vincent05 Posted March 25, 2013 Share Posted March 25, 2013 Wow, no patience for a young player huh? How are we ever going to develop any defenseman or goalie here, they would take longer to develope. Give the kid a break, he is still learning, if it's a vet like Briere I can see the frustration but these are young guys we need to give time to. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pensuck Posted March 25, 2013 Share Posted March 25, 2013 How about Hartnell? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brelic Posted March 25, 2013 Share Posted March 25, 2013 I wouldn't trade Coots for a guy like Yandle. But I would trade him for a guy like Oliver Ekman-Larsson (Yes, I know he just signed an extension so he's not going anywhere).A move for a guy like Yandle, even though he's 26, is still the same old same old. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyercanuck Posted March 25, 2013 Share Posted March 25, 2013 Wow, no patience for a young player huh? How are we ever going to develop any defenseman or goalie here, they would take longer to develope. Give the kid a break, he is still learning, if it's a vet like Briere I can see the frustration but these are young guys we need to give time to. This^ I just shake my head when I read comments like the OPs. Most NHLers are still in the minors at 20.Then a few years from now when Couturiers playing well the same guy will be ripping Holmgren for trading away our youth. How about some patience? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyercanuck Posted March 25, 2013 Share Posted March 25, 2013 (edited) I'm torn......it depends on who the young defensman coming back is......need a name...like Cam Fowler...Hhhhhhmmmm....Cam Fowler? Who's having an equally horrible year? On a great team! Edited March 25, 2013 by flyercanuck Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TedZep Posted March 25, 2013 Share Posted March 25, 2013 If a team offered a "promising" young man is seriously consider it...I'm glad you corrected that statement next post... I thought I'd wandered onto the wrong site for a second. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pensuck Posted March 25, 2013 Share Posted March 25, 2013 Yes I know. No "stud" dmen. Lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OccamsRazor Posted March 26, 2013 Share Posted March 26, 2013 Cam Fowler? Who's having an equally horrible year? On a great team!I was just using that as an example but you have to deal from a strength (Flyers have 28 centers ready to go) to address a weakness...once again it is an example...yet what better senario than to trade two struggleing players for each other... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vegas Flyer Posted March 26, 2013 Share Posted March 26, 2013 (edited) I will be more pissed if we trade Couts for a Dman....after all...we would have Weber if Homer said yes....so I would rather keep him...Looking back.....we could have traded Schenn in the Weber deal....and kept JVR.......WOW.....if only we knew Edited March 26, 2013 by Vegas Flyer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jammer2 Posted March 26, 2013 Share Posted March 26, 2013 @OccamsRazor Actually, I don't think you were far off in suggesting Cam Fowler. Here we have a kid who scored an amazing 40 pts in his rookie season. He then dipped to 29 last year, and a startling 4 assists this season. Don't know what's going on with his offense, even weirder that he is still on the Ducks top power play. The Ducks regularly use Cory Perry and Fowler at the points in the power play. I do know though, that Cam has excellent puck dispersal skills, and the Ducks use a post in front, play down low kinda power play.....so a lot of times Fowler gets cut out of the secondary assist when the Ducks pass mulitple times down low, which they do frequently. He's not an overly physical type in his own end, but he does the job done, his minus -1 while only having 4 pts basically means not many goals get scored on the Ducks while he is on the ice. Cam currently sits a solid 99th in time on ice per game stats. Even though the points are not coming, he is really showing off his puck lugging skills this year, it's a rare skill, one that makes him super valuable. Factor in the fact he's 22 years old, already has a 40 pt season under his belt (to me this proves the offense is there, and it will come back), has a graceful skating stride with a really nice top speed....you have yourself a pretty valuable player and a building block of a cup contender. The guy will be an excellent power play qb for the next 15 years. I see future 50 point seasons for Cam. Now would be the time to strike, while he is in this horrid slump. I would not have suggested Fowler for Coots a year ago, actually, I would have laughed at the suggestion....but the truth is, Coots is not nearly as valuable as last year, his value took a huge hit when his skating problems came to light, or at least IMHO. I would do this trade now, because Fowlers value will never be this low, and Coot's value is decreasing while I type. This is the kind of trade that you will be doing for Coots, somebody with a flaw but has potential. In this case, the extended pts slump for Cam would be the preresquite flaw....after all, Coots is now viewed as flawed, in least in my eyes, due to the skating problems, he will never be a 1st line center because of it...if he is on the ice that much, his team will get exposed to a lot of odd man rushes. Cam is struggling, but he can skate, so advantage Flyers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Polaris922 Posted March 26, 2013 Share Posted March 26, 2013 I think many of you overrated Couturier last season. I also think he shows good promise. He's going through the same thing the rest of the team is... he just needs time to mature and find his way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyercanuck Posted March 26, 2013 Share Posted March 26, 2013 I think many of you overrated Couturier last season. I also think he shows good promise. He's going through the same thing the rest of the team is... he just needs time to mature and find his way. We overrated an 18 year old player who was our best defensive forward, was the highest ppg player coming out of junior and was known to possess great vision? How were we supposed to rate him? You can't teach smart, and he has that. He'll be fine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyercanuck Posted March 26, 2013 Share Posted March 26, 2013 @jammer2 So Couturier, playing on the 3rd and 4th lines is having a bad year and has lost value. But Fowler, who's a pp specialist on a way better team, is older than Couturier and has half the points he does hasn't? Take off those Spitfire coloured glasses jammer. You don't hear me asking to trade Couturier for Jan Bulis. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Polaris922 Posted March 26, 2013 Share Posted March 26, 2013 We overrated an 18 year old player who was our best defensive forward, was the highest ppg player coming out of junior and was known to possess great vision? How were we supposed to rate him? You can't teach smart, and he has that. He'll be fine.He was talked about as the second coming after the playoffs last year. Obviously he's not. My point was many fans thought he'd "arrived" and he hasn't. As I said he just needs time to mature and he'll be fine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyercanuck Posted March 26, 2013 Share Posted March 26, 2013 @Polaris922 The guys who talked about the 2nd coming are the same guys who'd trade him now for a 30 something year old defenceman so we can try and make the playoffs. I honestly didn't even think Couturier should be in the NHL last year. He showed he could play. Im just didn't see the rush. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Polaris922 Posted March 26, 2013 Share Posted March 26, 2013 @flyercanuckUnless it gets you that #1 D-man I'd keep him too. See what next season brings. Just hope all the criticism hasn't shattered his confidence. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyercanuck Posted March 26, 2013 Share Posted March 26, 2013 @Polaris922 I think Couturier is the kind of guy that can take it. He doesn't come across as the "headcase" type. I'm sure he'll be fine. And ya, I'd trade him in a package for a #1 defenceman (under 30 years old, a lot under) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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