Frank S says there is a trade buzz around Flyers

[brelic]

Does anyone on this board think a trade is going to fix anything?

Curtis Glencross? An aging middling forward is going to make a difference? Call me crazy, but I think I know a fella named Gagne that would probably fill that exact same role that we're apparently trying to fill through trade.

There's no plan, folks.

http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/flyers/20131007_Poor_Flyers_start_fuels_trade_buzz.html

With the Flyers limping to an 0-3 start, the whispers are quickly growing louder and louder that jobs are on the line.

No one has ever accused Flyers chairman Ed Snider of being a patient man.

Is it possible that the Flyers would consider making a trade first?

"I think we just need to breathe a little bit here," Claude Giroux said last night. "It's obviously not the way we wanted to start the season, but we're going to turn it around. There's no doubt in my mind. We've got to stick with the plan."

Despite what the Flyers captain said, his general manager has been sniffing around. But the hardest part may be finding a willing partner this early in the season as teams sort out their own rosters.

In their history, the Flyers have only made one somewhat significant trade in October after the start of the season: an eight-player deal with Pittsburgh on Oct. 23, 1983, that landed Rich Sutter.

So far, the Flyers have shown interest in the Flames, a team in the midst of a rebuild expected to finish near the bottom of the standings. Complicating matters even more is the fact that the Flames are off to a 1-0-2 start.

One name the Flyers have been kicking around is winger Curtis Glencross, who has been playing on Calgary's first line. Glencross, 30, netted 26 points in 40 games last season. He has 24- and 26-goal seasons on his resume, he's consistent, and he's one of the few players on Calgary's roster to play a gritty game.

The Flames are desperate for a defenseman to play with Mark Giordano and the Flyers have a glut of high-priced blue-liners. Even without trading a defenseman, the Flyers could fit a player like Glencross' $2.55 million salary-cap hit on the books - if he were willing to move his no-trade clause.

Last week, the Flyers sent assistant general manager Ron Hextall and director of scouting Chris Pryor to Washington for Calgary's first game of the season. Head pro scout Dave Brown traveled to Columbus for Calgary's matchup the following night.

And a Flames representative was one of 13 scouts from Western Conference teams to show up last week at the Wells Fargo Center for the Flyers' opener.

Last night, Flyers scout John Chapman was in Calgary to see the Flames reopen the Saddledome. The Flames' East Coast scout, Steve Leach, along with three other teams' scouts, was in Carolina to take in the Flyers and Hurricanes last night.

Flames GM Jay Feaster said last April that 25 teams inquired about Glencross at the trade deadline. In addition to Glencross, the Flyers could be interested in 20-year-old Sven Baertschi, a first-round pick who was blasted by new Flames president Brian Burke last week.

"All I've seen so far is flashes of brilliance, [which] are fine if you're working in a university but they're not much good to people in an NHL building," Burke said Sept. 30. "There are three zones on the ice surface in this league. I don't see that he's learned to compete in two of them. I see this guy right now who's focusing on one area - and, even then, sporadically. So, I don't know what we have. I'm not ready to quit on the young kid . . . but I think you can tell from my comments that I see big holes and a lack of commitment that's not going to get him anywhere in my books."

Baertschi, who posted 94 points in 47 junior games in 2011-12, entered last night with 14 points in 27 NHL games.

TSN's Darren Dreger reported last week that the Flyers were one of three teams pursuing some of Anaheim's young forwards. The Ducks also need defense.

Right now, a trade does not seem imminent, but it's not out of the question that Paul Holmgren is interested in shaking up the locker room.

If the Flyers had their way, they would handle their own business.

"Everyone knows what happened last year," Kimmo Timonen said. "We're 0-3 now, but it's a test for us. We've got some home games coming up now. Now, we really see where we are as a team and how tight we are as a team.

"Now is not the time to start blaming people. There's still 79 games left. Because if we start blaming people, and not play as a team, we're going to be 0-6 soon. It's about sticking together, sticking with the game plan. It's time to put the work boots on."

More jam, please

Just about the only noticeable forward for the Flyers last night was Zac Rinaldo, who recorded an eye-popping 10 hits. Rinaldo leads the NHL in hits with 19 in three games - an average of more than six per game.

Rinaldo, 23, was rewarded for his hard work. Last night, for just the second time in 101 career games, he broke 14 minutes of ice time. He finished with 14:02.

In all, the Flyers were credited with 46 hits against the Hurricanes, the most they've had in one game since March 10, 2012 (48). The Flyers also lead the NHL with 97 total hits.

"The minutes he had, he was noticeable every time he was on the ice," coach Peter Laviolette said. "You've got to love the way Zac plays and what he brings to the table; there's no question we could use a little more of that jam in there."

[hf101]

It solves nothing @brelic

 

More hits, means...... ?  

It doesnt' mean more shots on net, it doesn't mean more 5 on 5 goals,  It means dump - chase - hit.  

 

This organization needs a new philosophy.  Holmgren must go.  

 

"Now is not the time to start blaming people. There's still 79 games left. Because if we start blaming people, and not play as a team, we're going to be 0-6 soon. It's about sticking together, sticking with the game plan. It's time to put the work boots on."

 

 

LOL  ^^^   Yep.  put the work boots on and hit more - make it a team effort.  

[brelic]

LOL  ^^^   Yep.  put the work boots on and hit more - make it a team effort.

I love Timonen, and usually his quotes are pretty honest and blunt (especially in Finnish). But that's as cliche as it gets.

Time to put the work boots on? Did you think wearing flip flops was ok for the first 3 games? I don't even know what that means.

[ZeZel25]

Does anyone on this board think a trade is going to fix anything?

Curtis Glencross? An aging middling forward is going to make a difference? Call me crazy, but I think I know a fella named Gagne that would probably fill that exact same role that we're apparently trying to fill through trade.

There's no plan, folks.

http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/flyers/20131007_Poor_Flyers_start_fuels_trade_buzz.html

With the Flyers limping to an 0-3 start, the whispers are quickly growing louder and louder that jobs are on the line.

No one has ever accused Flyers chairman Ed Snider of being a patient man.

Is it possible that the Flyers would consider making a trade first?

"I think we just need to breathe a little bit here," Claude Giroux said last night. "It's obviously not the way we wanted to start the season, but we're going to turn it around. There's no doubt in my mind. We've got to stick with the plan."

Despite what the Flyers captain said, his general manager has been sniffing around. But the hardest part may be finding a willing partner this early in the season as teams sort out their own rosters.

In their history, the Flyers have only made one somewhat significant trade in October after the start of the season: an eight-player deal with Pittsburgh on Oct. 23, 1983, that landed Rich Sutter.

So far, the Flyers have shown interest in the Flames, a team in the midst of a rebuild expected to finish near the bottom of the standings. Complicating matters even more is the fact that the Flames are off to a 1-0-2 start.

One name the Flyers have been kicking around is winger Curtis Glencross, who has been playing on Calgary's first line. Glencross, 30, netted 26 points in 40 games last season. He has 24- and 26-goal seasons on his resume, he's consistent, and he's one of the few players on Calgary's roster to play a gritty game.

The Flames are desperate for a defenseman to play with Mark Giordano and the Flyers have a glut of high-priced blue-liners. Even without trading a defenseman, the Flyers could fit a player like Glencross' $2.55 million salary-cap hit on the books - if he were willing to move his no-trade clause.

Last week, the Flyers sent assistant general manager Ron Hextall and director of scouting Chris Pryor to Washington for Calgary's first game of the season. Head pro scout Dave Brown traveled to Columbus for Calgary's matchup the following night.

And a Flames representative was one of 13 scouts from Western Conference teams to show up last week at the Wells Fargo Center for the Flyers' opener.

Last night, Flyers scout John Chapman was in Calgary to see the Flames reopen the Saddledome. The Flames' East Coast scout, Steve Leach, along with three other teams' scouts, was in Carolina to take in the Flyers and Hurricanes last night.

Flames GM Jay Feaster said last April that 25 teams inquired about Glencross at the trade deadline. In addition to Glencross, the Flyers could be interested in 20-year-old Sven Baertschi, a first-round pick who was blasted by new Flames president Brian Burke last week.

"All I've seen so far is flashes of brilliance, [which] are fine if you're working in a university but they're not much good to people in an NHL building," Burke said Sept. 30. "There are three zones on the ice surface in this league. I don't see that he's learned to compete in two of them. I see this guy right now who's focusing on one area - and, even then, sporadically. So, I don't know what we have. I'm not ready to quit on the young kid . . . but I think you can tell from my comments that I see big holes and a lack of commitment that's not going to get him anywhere in my books."

Baertschi, who posted 94 points in 47 junior games in 2011-12, entered last night with 14 points in 27 NHL games.

TSN's Darren Dreger reported last week that the Flyers were one of three teams pursuing some of Anaheim's young forwards. The Ducks also need defense.

Right now, a trade does not seem imminent, but it's not out of the question that Paul Holmgren is interested in shaking up the locker room.

If the Flyers had their way, they would handle their own business.

"Everyone knows what happened last year," Kimmo Timonen said. "We're 0-3 now, but it's a test for us. We've got some home games coming up now. Now, we really see where we are as a team and how tight we are as a team.

"Now is not the time to start blaming people. There's still 79 games left. Because if we start blaming people, and not play as a team, we're going to be 0-6 soon. It's about sticking together, sticking with the game plan. It's time to put the work boots on."

More jam, please

Just about the only noticeable forward for the Flyers last night was Zac Rinaldo, who recorded an eye-popping 10 hits. Rinaldo leads the NHL in hits with 19 in three games - an average of more than six per game.

Rinaldo, 23, was rewarded for his hard work. Last night, for just the second time in 101 career games, he broke 14 minutes of ice time. He finished with 14:02.

In all, the Flyers were credited with 46 hits against the Hurricanes, the most they've had in one game since March 10, 2012 (48). The Flyers also lead the NHL with 97 total hits.

"The minutes he had, he was noticeable every time he was on the ice," coach Peter Laviolette said. "You've got to love the way Zac plays and what he brings to the table; there's no question we could use a little more of that jam in there."

All I can see ahead are the same lame quotes as last year and the same trade rumors all year. This team just doesnt have what it takes , a shakeup is going too happen.. I propose Lavy is canned with Homer. Hexy replaces Homer and they get a recycled coach as usual, instead of a young energetic one

[brelic]

All I can see ahead are the same lame quotes as last year and the same trade rumors all year. This team just doesnt have what it takes , a shakeup is going too happen.. I propose Lavy is canned with Homer. Hexy replaces Homer and they get a recycled coach as usual, instead of a young energetic one

I think the fundamental difference with Hexy is that he would be the first non-Broad Street Bully. He's from within, as usual, but from a different era. So that would be a positive change, I think. Couple that with his exile in LA, and there's hope.

As for coach, your guess is as good as mine. My money would be on Chief or Murray in the interim.

But, you know, a new GM would be saddled with all the NMCs and bad contracts doled out by Homer. Streit and Lecavalier aren't going anywhere for 4 and 5 years. Our defensemen basically all have NMCs - only Streit and Meszaros don't have one.

So any potential new GM is really handcuffed by the moves of this one.

[canoli]

you guys...jeez now you're breaking Timonen's balls because he uses a cliché to describe working harder as a team?

 

and HF you know as well as anyone that Dump n Chase and Hitting are part of every NHL team's playbook. It's not the only strategy the Flyers use. In fact if anything has obviously changed already it's seeing how (relatively) easily Vinny and Streit carry the puck into the zone under control, slowing the game down...looking for seams. It hasn't produced goals yet but it will. There's only a few ways to get the puck deep and they all break down to either Dump/Chase or Carry It In. No real mystery why both are used in every game by every team.

[brelic]

you guys...jeez now you're breaking Timonen's balls because he uses a cliché to describe working harder as a team?

I'm not busting his balls.. I'm just looking at his quote, and see something unusual about it. He's usually much more forthcoming and honest and doesn't sound like Crosby and everyone else.

[ruxpin]

Streit carry the puck into the zone under control, slowing the game down

 

What are you talking about???

[doom88]

Maybe he honestly thinks guys are floating?

[pilldoc]

take it for what it is worth...spoke to a co-worker today.  says he saw somewhere/or heard from somebody ...that Lavy has been told he has 15 games to change it around.  If not he is gone.  Still scoruring the internent looking for it.  Again....take it for what it is worth.

[murraycraven]

I am not sure what getting Glencross would accomplish honestly.  He has some scoring touch but nothing that is going to change this Team around.  What are we giving up for Glencross?  That, to me, is the bigger question!

[murraycraven]

you guys...jeez now you're breaking Timonen's balls because he uses a cliché to describe working harder as a team?

 

and HF you know as well as anyone that Dump n Chase and Hitting are part of every NHL team's playbook. It's not the only strategy the Flyers use. In fact if anything has obviously changed already it's seeing how (relatively) easily Vinny and Streit carry the puck into the zone under control, slowing the game down...looking for seams. It hasn't produced goals yet but it will. There's only a few ways to get the puck deep and they all break down to either Dump/Chase or Carry It In. No real mystery why both are used in every game by every team.

 

 

canoli... good post.  

 

The dump and chase is not working b/c there is no one gaing possession of the puck along the boards.   To be successful you have to gain puck possession in the offensive zone.  Right now I see more turnovers in the offensive zone that it looks more like PeeWee hockey than the NHL.  They never have possession when working the dump and chase and the offensive zone turnovers are what is killing them.

 

There is just no "jam" to this Team righ now.

[canoli]

yep MC that's what I see too. There's been no puck support beginning with the 3rd period opening night.

 

but those first 2 periods were excellent.

[FreakinFlyersFan]

Glencross has a NMC, I'm thinking he would accept a trade to a contender not a team that's 0-3.

[brelic]

Someone on another board who has appeared to have legit sources in the past mentions that Morin/Couturier were being floated to the Habs for Beaulieu/Gallagher.

[radoran]

"I think we just need to breathe a little bit here," Claude Giroux said last night. "It's obviously not the way we wanted to start the season, but we're going to turn it around. There's no doubt in my mind. We've got to stick with the plan."

 

Telling and tragic that the captain of the team says "we're going to turn it around. There's no doubt in my mind. We've got to stick with the plan." and then they fire the coach hours later.

 

What plan are they sticking to?

[murraycraven]

Telling and tragic that the captain of the team says "we're going to turn it around. There's no doubt in my mind. We've got to stick with the plan." and then they fire the coach hours later.

 

What plan are they sticking to?

 

 

The Coaching Carousel obviously

[FreakinFlyersFan]

Someone on another board who has appeared to have legit sources in the past mentions that Morin/Couturier were being floated to the Habs for Beaulieu/Gallagher.

Flyers would need more than that to trade Couts and a 1st round pick like Morin, they were kidding right?

Edited October 7, 2013 by FreakinFlyersFan

[brelic]

Flyers would need more than that to trade Couts and a 1st round pick like Morin, they were kidding right?

Not sure... it's only a rumour with an apparently reliable source.

But, Beaulieu is also a first round pick, and Gallagher is a crafty top 6 winger who scored 15 goals last year. Still very early in his career, but both guys are really young (20 and 21). So, really, this would be a trade to get potential that is a little closer to being realized.

Both are NHL-ready now.

[fanaticV3.0]

Does anyone on this board think a trade is going to fix anything?

 

 

A trade or this particular trade? If you are saying this particular trade won't fix much, I agree. But if you are saying there isn't any trade that can be made to improve the team, I think that's a pretty stupid statement.

[FreakinFlyersFan]

A trade or this particular trade? If you are saying this particular trade won't fix much, I agree. But if you are saying there isn't any trade that can be made to improve the team, I think that's a pretty stupid statement.

A trade won't solve anything right now, the offense can't gel with what they have and you want to put another new body in?

[brelic]

A trade or this particular trade?

The article focuses on one or two possibilities, but I meant a trade in general, yes.

But if you are saying there isn't any trade that can be made to improve the team, I think that's a pretty stupid statement.

I don't think so. We've seen personnel come and go through the revolving door over the past few years with the same mediocre results. So why would *just one more trade* make a difference?

[fanaticV3.0]

A trade won't solve anything right now, the offense can't gel with what they have and you want to put another new body in?

 

So not a single player in the entire league can make this team better?

 

I didn't say I "want to" do anything. I'm questioning the idea that there isn't a single move to be made that could improve the team.

Edited October 7, 2013 by fanaticV3.0

[murraycraven]

So not a single player in the entire league can make this team better?

 

 

I could list a bunch that would be a good start     The problem is that it is going to be tough to find a trade partner this early in the season.  If (&when) they make a move I hope that it is for a legit scorer and/or a mobile defensman.   It is going to be a tough one to pull off but you have to try.  

[fanaticV3.0]

The article focuses on one or two possibilities, but I meant a trade in general, yes.

I don't think so. We've seen personnel come and go through the revolving door over the past few years with the same mediocre results. So why would *just one more trade* make a difference?

 

By make a difference do you mean go to the cup or simply be a better team? I don't think they're going to the cup and no one player will change that. But if you think there isn't a single roster move to be made that wouldn't improve this team, that's pretty dumb. They are **** right now, there's nowhere to go but up. Winning and losing is a matter of chemistry and one player can make the difference in a team being a little better than they currently are.