Mario99 Posted October 13, 2013 Share Posted October 13, 2013 Just saw on CapGeek that Hartnell has 6 years at $4.8 Million cap hit, YIKES!!!!He doesn't need a NTC nobody in their right mind would trade for him Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ruxpin Posted October 14, 2013 Share Posted October 14, 2013 That's okay. I just saw that Nixon resigned. Gotta say I'm a little surprised by it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JackStraw Posted October 14, 2013 Share Posted October 14, 2013 That's okay. I just saw that Nixon resigned. Gotta say I'm a little surprised by it.Right. I suppose next you'll tell us that Franco is dead. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
radoran Posted October 14, 2013 Share Posted October 14, 2013 Right. I suppose next you'll tell us that Franco is dead. JackStraw, you ignorant slut. James Franco is not dead, but he is starring in and directing a movie he wrote about his death. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jam1986 Posted October 14, 2013 Share Posted October 14, 2013 Said all long he has to go!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iban3z Posted October 14, 2013 Share Posted October 14, 2013 (edited) Why do people hate the player and NOT the GM who gave him his contract? I've never met a player that has said, "Wait, that's too much money, I don't need all that." Edited October 14, 2013 by iban3z 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyercanuck Posted October 14, 2013 Share Posted October 14, 2013 @iban3z We DO hate the gm. (ok I can't speak for everyone) 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ruxpin Posted October 14, 2013 Share Posted October 14, 2013 Why do people hate the player and NOT the GM who gave him his contract? I've never met a player that has said, "Wait, that's too much money, I don't need all that." I don't hate Hartnell. He actually seems like a decent guy. I just think it's nuts to have him on the top lines and he makes way too much money for the bottom two lines where he belongs. That is not Hartnell's fault. He is what he is. You're right that the blame is on the GM that offered the contract; not the player. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlaskaFlyerFan Posted October 14, 2013 Share Posted October 14, 2013 I've never met a player that has said, "Wait, that's too much money, I don't need all that." Paul Kariya says hello. "With former linemate Teemu Selänne also entering unrestricted free agency that summer after three years with the Sharks (he decided to opt out of his final year, valued at $6.5 million), the duo agreed to reunite and sign with the same team. Together, they approached the Colorado Avalanche, having decided the team had the best chance of winning the Stanley Cup. On July 3, 2003, the Avalanche announced the signing of Kariya and Selänne to one-year contracts. In order for the team to afford both players, Kariya took an $8.8 million paycut from his $10 million salary with Anaheim the previous year, marking the highest decrease in compensation for a player in NHL history. At $1.2 million, his salary was below the NHL average, ensuring that he would have the freedom of unrestricted free agency at the end of the season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iban3z Posted October 14, 2013 Share Posted October 14, 2013 Paul Kariya says hello. "With former linemate Teemu Selänne also entering unrestricted free agency that summer after three years with the Sharks (he decided to opt out of his final year, valued at $6.5 million), the duo agreed to reunite and sign with the same team. Together, they approached the Colorado Avalanche, having decided the team had the best chance of winning the Stanley Cup. On July 3, 2003, the Avalanche announced the signing of Kariya and Selänne to one-year contracts. In order for the team to afford both players, Kariya took an $8.8 million paycut from his $10 million salary with Anaheim the previous year, marking the highest decrease in compensation for a player in NHL history. At $1.2 million, his salary was below the NHL average, ensuring that he would have the freedom of unrestricted free agency at the end of the season. Players take pay cuts and that's totally different.My argument was that a GM isn't going to hear from a player after an offer "No sir, but that's way too much." Players will turn down more money to play on a certain team, or with certain players but that has nothing to do with the money. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
murraycraven Posted October 14, 2013 Share Posted October 14, 2013 Players take pay cuts and that's totally different.My argument was that a GM isn't going to hear from a player after an offer "No sir, but that's way too much." Players will turn down more money to play on a certain team, or with certain players but that has nothing to do with the money. Correct... isn't that how we lost out on Suter and Parise Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ruxpin Posted October 14, 2013 Share Posted October 14, 2013 Correct... isn't that how we lost out on Suter and Parise Yip. Their loss, too. Had they signed here, they could have been traded to an eventual Cup winner. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sarsippius Posted October 14, 2013 Share Posted October 14, 2013 Had they signed here, they could have been traded to an eventual Cup winner. Out. Freakin'. Standing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iban3z Posted October 15, 2013 Share Posted October 15, 2013 Out. Freakin'. Standing. THIS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Polaris922 Posted October 15, 2013 Share Posted October 15, 2013 Now in fairness... As much of a pansy as I think Hartnell is... And as much as I've said in the past he's overrated by Flyers faithful... He signed that contract in '07 after a 24 goal season. We're any of you shouting it was wrong that year when he scored 30 for your Flyers? I remember several conversations here where I was attacked for saying Hartnell was overvalued...So which one is it?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ruxpin Posted October 15, 2013 Share Posted October 15, 2013 Now in fairness... As much of a pansy as I think Hartnell is... And as much as I've said in the past he's overrated by Flyers faithful... He signed that contract in '07 after a 24 goal season. We're any of you shouting it was wrong that year when he scored 30 for your Flyers? I remember several conversations here where I was attacked for saying Hartnell was overvalued...So which one is it??I can honestly say I never supported the signing. And unless begrudgingly or under duress, I don't think I've really ever complimented his game in any way. I do actually think he's a decent guy--from afar, obviously-- but I don't think he's worth even a small fraction of his salary. Never did. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doom88 Posted October 15, 2013 Share Posted October 15, 2013 Now in fairness... As much of a pansy as I think Hartnell is... And as much as I've said in the past he's overrated by Flyers faithful... He signed that contract in '07 after a 24 goal season. We're any of you shouting it was wrong that year when he scored 30 for your Flyers? I remember several conversations here where I was attacked for saying Hartnell was overvalued...So which one is it??Hey, hey, hey...you know logic means nothing here! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mad Dog Posted October 15, 2013 Share Posted October 15, 2013 (edited) Now in fairness... As much of a pansy as I think Hartnell is... And as much as I've said in the past he's overrated by Flyers faithful... He signed that contract in '07 after a 24 goal season. We're any of you shouting it was wrong that year when he scored 30 for your Flyers?I remember several conversations here where I was attacked for saying Hartnell was overvalued...So which one is it?? The problem with Hartnell is, he needs superb linemates to produce. His game is quite simple. He goes to the net and looks for loose pucks. And when he does it well, he actually does it quite effectively. And truth be told, when Holmgren signed him, I was actually one of those who thought that was the right signing. Remember that signing was after the Flyers finished one of the most horrendous seasons in their history. There was no attitude, no snarl on the team. Just about every team has pushed the Flyers around. So at the time, it was exactly what the doctor ordered. The problem many Flyers fans have with Hartnell is that he is hugely inconsistent and, as I mentioned, largely depends on who he plays with. So with Giroux struggling, Hartnell is struggling as well. And when you take that player away from him who does not create chances for him, he becomes basically useless. Add the fact that his body is wearing down, as most of power forwards bodies do, in a year or two, he will be basically worthless, especially if looked in the context of his inflated salary and NMC. Edited October 15, 2013 by Mad Dog Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bertmega Posted October 15, 2013 Share Posted October 15, 2013 Don't forget this: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/video/nhl/20131010/scott-hartnell-cherry-hill-audi-behind-the-scenes.sportsillustrated/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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