ruxpin Posted October 19, 2013 Share Posted October 19, 2013 I'm going to defer the Pronger trade debate to the old and dead threads Yeah, you know, you hear in the media and on here sometimes how the Flyers miss Chris Pronger. I really liked the guy (was more upset about the picks that went out than I was about Sbisa or Lupul). It's not wonder our cupboard is bare. But the thing is that we miss Chris Pronger from two or three years ago. I mean, he was 39 last week. Who's to say we wouldn't all be yelling "PYLON!" right now if he were still playing? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doom88 Posted October 19, 2013 Share Posted October 19, 2013 Yeah, you know, you hear in the media and on here sometimes how the Flyers miss Chris Pronger. I really liked the guy (was more upset about the picks that went out than I was about Sbisa or Lupul). It's not wonder our cupboard is bare.But the thing is that we miss Chris Pronger from two or three years ago. I mean, he was 39 last week. Who's to say we wouldn't all be yelling "PYLON!" right now if he were still playing?Maybe he would be a pylon, though I doubt it. He was too skilled and well positioned to fall of the cliff performance wise. What I can be sure of is that the locker room would be accountable to one another or shipped out. Giroux wouldn't be dancing around the ice like a fool, turning the puck over as much, for starters. Rinaldo can't walk up to Giroux and call him out quite like an established Pronger can. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Polaris922 Posted October 19, 2013 Share Posted October 19, 2013 He was too skilled and well positioned to fall of the cliff performance wise..So was Timonen... Housley... Bourque... I think the physical style Pronger played would have taken its toll by now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doom88 Posted October 19, 2013 Share Posted October 19, 2013 So was Timonen... Housley... Bourque... I think the physical style Pronger played would have taken its toll by now.Timonen was never in the same class as Borque and Pronger. Plus, Pronger was a training freak. I just think he would have slowly trailed off like Lidstrom, despite his style of play. Borque was still quite respectable for the Avs if I recall correctly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Samifan Posted October 19, 2013 Share Posted October 19, 2013 If Pronger was still playing, we would have a more vocal captain that would be in peoples faces holding them accountable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canoli Posted October 19, 2013 Share Posted October 19, 2013 hard to see how we don't miss Chris Pronger imo. The picks we gave up for him? another story. But a healthy Pronger gives a team a competitive edge that you can't replace with anyone else - or only with a handful of truly elite players. I think it's practically impossible to overstate how much the Flyers miss him, especially now with a new HC. but ya know... if the queen had balls she'd be king. Fk it Proger is history. The Flyers better figure out how to play without him. Because obviously they haven't... yet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mad Dog Posted October 20, 2013 Share Posted October 20, 2013 (edited) There is absolutely no doubt the team would be stronger with Pronger. I will even take it further and say the loss of Pronger was not only a devastating loss for the Flyers; it ruined them. He meant way too much on and off the ice. When they traded Sbisa, the draft picks and Lupul to get him, I was first outraged. But as I saw him play wearing the Flyers uniform, I realized how instrumental and huge he was and how valuable his presence was. As old and broken down as his body was becoming, when he was healthy, he was a unique player in this league. They were unable to adjust and fill the void. Edited October 20, 2013 by Mad Dog Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ruxpin Posted October 20, 2013 Author Share Posted October 20, 2013 Wow. When did this become it's own thread? Interesting. Okay, the "first" post was initially phrased as a question so I'll answer my own question: Pronger is 39 years old. He'd be a slowing pylon. He'd still be terrific to have in "the room" and that in itself probably would be worthwhile, but on the ice we'd be seeing from him what we're seeing from Timo: diminished ability=diminished results. They play a different game you say? Yes, they do. The thing that makes Pronger different is the very thing that brought about his injury or would have almost predictably brought about some other injury. The physical play would have had him injured or significantly weakened by this point. If he were playing most would be screaming it was time for him to either go or play the third pair "so he'd be more effective." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Polaris922 Posted October 20, 2013 Share Posted October 20, 2013 Timonen was never in the same class as Borque and Pronger. Plus, Pronger was a training freak. I just think he would have slowly trailed off like Lidstrom, despite his style of play. Borque was still quite respectable for the Avs if I recall correctly.My point was simply that it happens to them all. To US all. The sands of time.. Blah blah blah... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TarHeelFlyer Posted October 20, 2013 Share Posted October 20, 2013 It is impossible to know if Pronger would still be playing at the level he was at the last time we saw him play, but I think it is without debate that if he was still playing at that level, we would be better without a doubt. I'm not sure how much better our record would be because he doesn't fix our scoring issues greatly, but it would make everyone else's minutes go down and THAT would be huge. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ruxpin Posted October 20, 2013 Author Share Posted October 20, 2013 It is impossible to know if Pronger would still be playing at the level he was at the last time we saw him play, but I think it is without debate that if he was still playing at that level, we would be better without a doubt. I'm not sure how much better our record would be because he doesn't fix our scoring issues greatly, but it would make everyone else's minutes go down and THAT would be huge. Agreed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doom88 Posted October 21, 2013 Share Posted October 21, 2013 My point was simply that it happens to them all. To US all. The sands of time.. Blah blah blah...Oh, certainty. I just think he would have trailed off slowly versus abruptly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FreakinFlyersFan Posted October 21, 2013 Share Posted October 21, 2013 Love Pronger but I'm saying no. Flyers D and goaltending haven't been the issue, the offense not scoring is the issue, Pronger providing leadership in the room maybe? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
radoran Posted October 21, 2013 Share Posted October 21, 2013 Wow. When did this become it's own thread? Interesting. Gremlins. Eddies in the space-time continuum. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
murraycraven Posted October 21, 2013 Share Posted October 21, 2013 (edited) Yeah, you know, you hear in the media and on here sometimes how the Flyers miss Chris Pronger. I really liked the guy (was more upset about the picks that went out than I was about Sbisa or Lupul). It's not wonder our cupboard is bare. But the thing is that we miss Chris Pronger from two or three years ago. I mean, he was 39 last week. Who's to say we wouldn't all be yelling "PYLON!" right now if he were still playing? Would it be any different than yelling at the Pylons that are here now? Nope... I would rather see an older Pronger than nearly eveyone that is on our defense right now (not named Gus). Edited October 21, 2013 by murraycraven 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flyingswede Posted October 21, 2013 Share Posted October 21, 2013 If Pronger played the team wouldnt have any identity crisis. Who on the team would dare to make mistakes if he was on the ice. I think he would bring much more focus and leadership obviously. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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