flyercanuck Posted October 27, 2013 Share Posted October 27, 2013 @Polaris922 I'm not in the "trade Giroux" camp. I don't like the contract they gave him, but Webers is worse. Of course it's long enough it'll likely run through 2 or 3 CBA buyouts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EightyEight Posted October 28, 2013 Share Posted October 28, 2013 While we're at it, let's send G to LA for Carter/Richards. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
murraycraven Posted October 28, 2013 Share Posted October 28, 2013 That's odd... Cuz I thought they were pretty much the same when Suter played there too, and it didn't seem to slow him down much. Don't make excuses for Weber not performing as well these days. Overhyped and overpaid. He's a solid D man, but you'd be crazy to trade Giroux even up for him. Certifiably nuts. Giroux will snap out of it. I sure hope so... it cant get any worse Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
radoran Posted October 28, 2013 Share Posted October 28, 2013 That's odd... Cuz I thought they were pretty much the same when Suter played there too, and it didn't seem to slow him down much. Don't make excuses for Weber not performing as well these days. Overhyped and overpaid. He's a solid D man, but you'd be crazy to trade Giroux even up for him. Certifiably nuts. Giroux will snap out of it. Well, they have had rather significant change to their forward crew since Suter left - how much of an effect is really left to the eye of the beholder 100+ cap days players:11-12EratLegwardFisherHornqvistS. KostitsynWilsonTootooSpalingSmithHolischukSmithsonMcGrattanBourque(A. Kostitsyn, Gaustad and Radulov) 13-14 rosterLegwandHornqvistFisherCullenGaustadStahlbergNystromWilsonSmithHendricksSpalingForsbergBourqueClune If I'm reading right, they turned over half the forward corps. Defense11-12WeberSuterBouillonKleinEllisJosiHillen 13-14WeberJosiKleinJonesEkholmEllisBartley plus at least a third of their defense... I'm not enamored with Weber by any stretch and he was never worth the contract Homer offered. But the forward corps aren't anything remotely like Minnesota's, much less what Nashville had even two seasons before. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Polaris922 Posted October 28, 2013 Share Posted October 28, 2013 Well, they have had rather significant change to their forward crew since Suter left - how much of an effect is really left to the eye of the beholder100+ cap days players:11-12EratLegwardFisherHornqvistS. KostitsynWilsonTootooSpalingSmithHolischukSmithsonMcGrattanBourque(A. Kostitsyn, Gaustad and Radulov)13-14 rosterLegwandHornqvistFisherCullenGaustadStahlbergNystromWilsonSmithHendricksSpalingForsbergBourqueCluneIf I'm reading right, they turned over half the forward corps.Defense11-12WeberSuterBouillonKleinEllisJosiHillen13-14WeberJosiKleinJonesEkholmEllisBartleyplus at least a third of their defense...I'm not enamored with Weber by any stretch and he was never worth the contract Homer offered. But the forward corps aren't anything remotely like Minnesota's, much less what Nashville had even two seasons before.Forwards are pretty even to me. In fact, they were on pace for 208 goals last season, which is about ten less than the average goals for they've scored over the past five seasons. Goals against skyrocketed though after Suter's departure. Went up around 50. Weber had a rough season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
radoran Posted October 28, 2013 Share Posted October 28, 2013 Forwards are pretty even to me. In fact, they were on pace for 208 goals last season, which is about ten less than the average goals for they've scored over the past five seasons.Goals against skyrocketed though after Suter's departure. Went up around 50. Weber had a rough season. Last season (I used 11-12 for a full season) they still had Erat and S. Kostitsyn - two "20-goal scorers". That's a different look than they have now. Rinne's GAA went up, his save percentage dropped .013 and they changed backup goalies when Lindback left (2.42/.912) and got Mason (3.73/.873) Weber also led the team in Assists and points last season. He has all of two points less than Suter and more than double his hits and blocks this season - both in 12 games. Only point here is that pinning everything bad that happened on Weber is a tad shortsighted. Again, not the savior some see him as and not worth the contract. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Polaris922 Posted October 28, 2013 Share Posted October 28, 2013 Last season (I used 11-12 for a full season) they still had Erat and S. Kostitsyn - two "20-goal scorers". That's a different look than they have now.Rinne's GAA went up, his save percentage dropped .013 and they changed backup goalies when Lindback left (2.42/.912) and got Mason (3.73/.873)Weber also led the team in Assists and points last season.He has all of two points less than Suter and more than double his hits and blocks this season - both in 12 games.Only point here is that pinning everything bad that happened on Weber is a tad shortsighted.Again, not the savior some see him as and not worth the contract.I never pinned everything bad on him, just said he's overpaid and overhyped. I do think they got significantly worse when Suter departed. Much more so than Erat or Kostitsyn's departures. I think that people would even consider Giroux for Weber is ridiculous, especially when your trouble this season has been more scoring than defense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doom88 Posted October 29, 2013 Share Posted October 29, 2013 I think it's easier to replace a Giroux than a Weber. I also think Giroux is currently more overrated, and I don't really think he will hit his potential. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
radoran Posted October 29, 2013 Share Posted October 29, 2013 I never pinned everything bad on him, just said he's overpaid and overhyped. I do think they got significantly worse when Suter departed. Much more so than Erat or Kostitsyn's departures.I think that people would even consider Giroux for Weber is ridiculous, especially when your trouble this season has been more scoring than defense. I think it's easier to replace a Giroux than a Weber. I also think Giroux is currently more overrated, and I don't really think he will hit his potential. I think there is something to be said for the "#1 D" guy. I don't see Weber as a Pronger - and I'm not sure he ever gets there. Would I give up Giroux for Weber and the $500K of cap space? I might - if the contract wasn't twice as long... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FreakinFlyersFan Posted October 29, 2013 Share Posted October 29, 2013 Never, dumb trade.Flyers could get a younger defenseman like Cody Franson that puts up the same numbers, is 2 yrs younger and is seeking around $4mil a year.Franson wouldn't necessarily require a trade either because he is a RFA at end of season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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OH1FlyersFan Posted October 29, 2013 Share Posted October 29, 2013 ust think... 8M for another 8 years... scary to think about. Isn't that what we said about Carter, Richards, Briere, Bryz? I wouldn't want to be a Flyer with a long-term, high-paying contract. Even if I was Claude Giroux. It's like the kiss of death. Oh, almost forgot -- throw in the Captain's "C" on your sweater and you might as well be putting yourself 6 feet under. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lindbergh31 Posted October 31, 2013 Share Posted October 31, 2013 I think there is something to be said for the "#1 D" guy. I don't see Weber as a Pronger - and I'm not sure he ever gets there. Would I give up Giroux for Weber and the $500K of cap space? I might - if the contract wasn't twice as long...As much as I like Giroux, getting a number one defenseman in Weber would be hard to pass up. It would be interesting to see what would happen if Nashville offered Weber but wanted Giroux in return what Holmgren or Hextall would do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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