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Wild won't need to do anything to tank. They are doing a fantastic job of it now! And in all honesty they really should be getting ready to go rebuild in a year or two. That way Fletchers NMC/NTC contracts will be gone and then a team can be built from the ground up. In 6 more years we will see Zucker, Dumba and other guys on the wrong side of their career anyways so we will have to be focusing on rebuilding.

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On ‎10‎/‎8‎/‎2018 at 9:57 AM, sweetshot said:

I like the speculation, although I don't see it happening as long as Liepold is the owner. #1 on his mind is to maintain the revenue. IMO as long as that happens, he'll keep the core of this team intact. If revenue dips for an extended period, he'll sell.

Wrong. He's in it for the long term.

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isles got towes,bellows and ho-sang all in the minors that could step right in and play,but for some reason lou wants 2 forth lines/TANK

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To answer the question: let the veterans (Koivu, Suter, Parise, even Staal although he has attitude and skills but his wheels are starting to fall off) munch as much ice time as they want. Especially on the PP and OT.

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On ‎10‎/‎18‎/‎2018 at 10:56 AM, Hockey-78 said:

To answer the question: let the veterans (Koivu, Suter, Parise, even Staal although he has attitude and skills but his wheels are starting to fall off) munch as much ice time as they want. Especially on the PP and OT.

 

That's what has been happening last couple of years and we're seeing record setting 100 point seasons.   Tough to tank when you're making the Playoffs. 

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On 10/7/2018 at 9:23 AM, Fargocase said:

I thought maybe all the people who advocated for tanking and a rebuild would offer up some ideas.  Other than Illa looks like most people want to be there but don't have any ideas on how to get there.  Here are my steps to tearing it down.  First, obviously have a fire sale.

 

1.  Tell Big E. that he's not in the team's future plans.   He's an UFA next year.  Tell him to put his agent to work.  Simultaneously start actively shopping him.  Since he's getting old and will want decent money with some term his value is reduced but take whatever you can get.

2.  Give away Nino and Coyle to the first team that offers up a 1st rounder.  Maybe get a couple mid round 1st's.

2.  Same for Brodin.  Take whatever is offered.

3.  Trade Spurgie ASAP.   The little guy is little but he's a very good hockey player, there has to be GM's who would happily add him to their Blue Line.  1st rounder and a prospect.

4.  Take offers on MiG.  Obviously the team's best offensive force but don't give him away.

5.  Trade BB's contract if possible.  Don't think its ever been done, but I've never heard of a rule forbidding it.  Or buy him out...

6.  Give the #1 sheep a 10% rebate effective next season for all current season ticket money.

 

Everything available except for Dumba and Zucker due to their long term contracts and the old guys we're stuck with long term.

We are talking about getting rid of our good players here...Leipold doesn't want a full rebuild.

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On ‎11‎/‎7‎/‎2018 at 8:53 AM, DevinWieser said:

We are talking about getting rid of our good players here...Leipold doesn't want a full rebuild.

 

Read the first post to start the thread...  This is for the Haters who have bidtdched for years they want a re-build, this team sucks, it should tank for a high draft pick.

 

I'm asking them to back up their bidtching.  What exactly would they do to make their tank fantasy actually happen if they were GM.     Illa Zilla answered but the 20/20 hindsight GMs never posted any ideas.  They just bidtch, not answer.  No insight, minimal knowledge, 20/20 hindsight...

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30 minutes ago, Fargocase said:

 

Read the first post to start the thread...  This is for the Haters who have bidtdched for years they want a re-build, this team sucks, it should tank for a high draft pick.

 

I'm asking them to back up their bidtching.  What exactly would they do to make their tank fantasy actually happen if they were GM.     Illa Zilla answered but the 20/20 hindsight GMs never posted any ideas.  They just bidtch, not answer.  No insight, minimal knowledge, 20/20 hindsight...

 

I kind of thought it would be a fun exercise in “what if”. I think your last post was probably the most realistic. You’re going to  have to give up big players to get high draft picks. If the current players aren’t getting it done, why hang on to them?

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40 minutes ago, Fargocase said:

 

Read the first post to start the thread...  This is for the Haters who have bidtdched for years they want a re-build, this team sucks, it should tank for a high draft pick.

 

I'm asking them to back up their bidtching.  What exactly would they do to make their tank fantasy actually happen if they were GM.     Illa Zilla answered but the 20/20 hindsight GMs never posted any ideas.  They just bidtch, not answer.  No insight, minimal knowledge, 20/20 hindsight...

True to form you're off the mark again. Only a small number of "Wild fans" wanted the team to rebuild this year upon the firing of Fletcher. Where you're mostly off the mark is the Wild haters you fondly fall all over yourself with while constantly bidtching and complaining (baiting people) there's hardly anyone known to this board or the old board who called for a rebuild in recent years.

 

What the majority of fans were calling for was to hold the veterans accountable, to stop giving certain players so much ice time when they didn't deserve it, and for coaches (whoever is behind all the stupid line combinations) to play to players strengths as opposed to making square pegs fit into round holes.

 

Of which, you often agreed to and likewise strongly advocated. 

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On ‎11‎/‎8‎/‎2018 at 9:24 PM, rottenrefs said:

True to form you're off the mark again. Only a small number of "Wild fans" wanted the team to rebuild this year upon the firing of Fletcher. Where you're mostly off the mark is the Wild haters you fondly fall all over yourself with while constantly bidtching and complaining (baiting people) there's hardly anyone known to this board or the old board who called for a rebuild in recent years.

 

What the majority of fans were calling for was to hold the veterans accountable, to stop giving certain players so much ice time when they didn't deserve it, and for coaches (whoever is behind all the stupid line combinations) to play to players strengths as opposed to making square pegs fit into round holes.

 

Of which, you often agreed to and likewise strongly advocated. 

 

So where are your answers to the question?   Blah blah blah I suck.  Answer the question punk, no one cares about your butthurt rant against me..  

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7 hours ago, Fargocase said:

 

So where are your answers to the question?   Blah blah blah I suck.  Answer the question punk, no one cares about your butthurt rant against me..  

^ You quoted one with this whining post. (((((Yawn)))))

 

On 10/6/2018 at 7:12 AM, rottenrefs said:

To tank just keep playing mundane hockey and keep your slow, aging vets on the ice more... Especially on special teams (like they're doing) while keeping hungry players who really have something to offer either on the bench or along the boards away from high-potential scoring opportunities.

 

Stick with playing the top two lines 'a lot' so the bottom two lines don't develop into anything but mush.

 

Acquire any player that's already 'used up' so they can retire here. Don't forget to pay them twice as much as they're worth and never bench them if they turn into slugs.

 

Crud, who am I kidding? They've already done that and they still made the playoffs... Which in itself shows that the younger characters on this team did step-up and make a big enough impact to contribute... And once they got to the playoffs it was put back in the hands of aging vets who got most the ice time.

 

What surfaced out of all that was the Wild actually did have talent potential but they didn't use it correctly.

 

Somewhere there's a cloud handcuffing this team and after three different head coaches, different GM's, a couple hundred different players thrown at the roster the past half-dozen years and you're left with two things that haven't changed. Craig Leipold and Mikko Koivu. When it's all said and done the Wild aren't any closer to advancing in the playoffs passed the first or second round during that same time frame and the attitude and overall team character still remains as bland as dried toast. The personality of this team has been stagnant that whole time too. All talk - no action.

 

On 10/7/2018 at 5:01 PM, rottenrefs said:

Trading mid-career guys means the team is left with no core to build to (except the old vets) which is something many vying to tank overlook.

The mid-career guys were in-part developed with and/or among the older vets who already proved they couldn't help properly develop (those mid-career guys); who plateaued just like their mentoring vets.

 

= vicious cycle = repeated fail = insanity

 

It's almost impossible to imagine this club knowing what to do with very high draft picks if they can't even scout two mid-range draft prospects and continually pick the 'safe bet' (wrong choice) while never finding a 'diamond in the rough' who when they do they trade or dump them for little or nothing.

 

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      Trading mid-career guys means the team is left with no core to build to (except the old vets) which is something many vying to tank overlook. The mid-career guys were in-part developed with and/or among the older vets who already proved they couldn't help properly develop (those mid-career guys); who plateaued just like their mentoring vets.   = vicious cycle = repeated fail = insanity   It's almost impossible to imagine this club knowing what to do with very high draft picks if they can't even scout two mid-range draft prospects and continually pick the 'safe bet' (wrong choice) while never finding a 'diamond in the rough' who when they do they trade or dump them for little or nothing.
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      Wild won't need to do anything to tank. They are doing a fantastic job of it now! And in all honesty they really should be getting ready to go rebuild in a year or two. That way Fletchers NMC/NTC contracts will be gone and then a team can be built from the ground up. In 6 more years we will see Zucker, Dumba and other guys on the wrong side of their career anyways so we will have to be focusing on rebuilding.
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      To answer the question: let the veterans (Koivu, Suter, Parise, even Staal although he has attitude and skills but his wheels are starting to fall off) munch as much ice time as they want. Especially on the PP and OT.
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      True to form you're off the mark again. Only a small number of "Wild fans" wanted the team to rebuild this year upon the firing of Fletcher. Where you're mostly off the mark is the Wild haters you fondly fall all over yourself with while constantly bidtching and complaining (baiting people) there's hardly anyone known to this board or the old board who called for a rebuild in recent years.   What the majority of fans were calling for was to hold the veterans accountable, to stop giving certain players so much ice time when they didn't deserve it, and for coaches (whoever is behind all the stupid line combinations) to play to players strengths as opposed to making square pegs fit into round holes.   Of which, you often agreed to and likewise strongly advocated. 

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