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"The Legion of Snooze"

"Why we don't need a culture change" by Ed Snider with foreward from Bob Clarke and Paul Holmgren "How to draft and help advance eastern European and Russian talent" by Paul Holmgren and Bob Clarke "How we've earned our money in 2012 and 2013. " by the Flyers first line

Howie, The team was old and slow in 2006-07, and they had no goaltending. In our current team's particular case, our defense is unacceptably slow and old, and they don't have the offensive firepower to compensate for it. Their goaltending couldn't have been blamed last year, and SURE AS HELL can't be this year. Berube stopped the bleeding with a band-aid for a while with a slight system change, but this team ain't making it anywhere anyway. I said it before and I'll say it again, if Snider has any pride as an owner he'll fire Homer TOMORROW and hire from outside his buddy system.

It wasn't anyone in Orange and black's night. The Blackhawks know Emery very well, and their SLOW, SLOPPY defense was getting beat to every loose puck along the boards the entire game. Oh and I'm tired of seeing Hartnell's overpaid a*s too. Time for him, Coburn, L. Schenn to find another team. When you lose the battle along the boards against the Hawks, and let them have EASY access into the zone, you have ZERO shot to win. Tonight's game is a prime example. Snider and Holmgren can now make a damage control appearance on TV tonight and tell all their season ticket holder's and delusional fans that they're in great shape and don't need to do a thing. I know Chicago's a really good team, but they got COMPLETELY EXPOSED tonight.

Moulson yes, but not Ehrhoff. He is way too inconsistent.

Would anyone else try and trade for him? He is a puck moving, talented young d man. I would offer L.Schenn or Matt Read for him. Any thoughts? What would it take?

Now that they beat Pittsburgh in Pittsburgh, they could perceivably win all of the rest of their November games.

Has anyone seen a ransom note? They looked great, and I even saw a couple of times where they completed 3 passes in a row. They played like a legit NHL team. Giroux looked 75% like his old self. Berube should definitely keep those line combos together, at least until they get beat 7-1 by the Pens (I hope I'm wrong).

At least somebody in the parking lot can hit a target accurately...sorry, couldn't resist.

The Flyers should take Zarley Zalapski for Rosehill.

This could a recurring, running headline going back to 1975.

That's called cover my a*s damage control. Why should he fix it when he's still putting as*es in the seats? Next year he won't be as lucky with season ticket sales, except to the idiots who don't know a puck from a baseball. He'd rather be Mr. Loyalty and hand out favors for the rest of his life to ex-players who didn't win a damned thing. Of course, he's baffled. He can't figure out how to fix things HIS way, aka wrongly.

Off the post, Of the three you mentioned, definitely Richards for Simmonds and Schenn. Had no problem with them getting rid of Jeff "high and wide", Carter but they miss Mike Richards leadership and grit badly. Just because he and Carter hung out in Sea Isle and Margate, New Jersey too much, and acted like typical guys their age. Simmonds and Schenn have regressed since they've been here, and with apologies to Ian Lapperierre who I liked as a player, I don't see these guys getting any better ever with the coaching staff they have in place.

The bottom line is he is trying to do too much, and looks frustrated and lost. He is also coming off an injury. He was anointed to be a great player and leader of this franchise before he was ready by the " braintrust" of the disorganization. Their fault because they traded away leadership and stunted Claude's growth as a player in the process. They should have resigned Jagr, who still looks good although he's 41. The problem is TEAM WIDE, they can't pass the puck tape to tape much less pass the puck while skating, and the whole team (Giroux included) passes up shots at least 20 times a game that should be taken. I like this quote so I'll use it here, "100% of the shots you don't take, don't go in the net". - Wayne Gretzky. Pretty much sums up the whole Flyers team offensively, doesn't it? Hesitant and Passive, passive, passive team.

Habsfan 26, Can we take Laughton out of the deal and give you Hartnell for Subban? (My guess is no, but I have to ask).

I disagree as far as Colorado. Not a terrible team, just a very young one with a lot of talent that is probably playing over its head. Toronto I'll give you. Now that Bolland is out for awhile they'll come back down to Earth

Bernie Parent and the guy at level 300 of the Wells Fargo Center who is the head chef at Au Bon Pain.

TimKerr12, Tim Kerr was and is my all-time favorite Flyer. We would have beaten the Oilers in 1987 if we had him. He played through nine shoulder surgeries, and was the type of player in terms of attitude, toughness,skill and leadership this team could use. On a slighty different subject, P.K. (supposed attitude problems and all) would be exactly what the Flyers would need on their blue line. I said they should not trade Couturier and whoever else for him. Looking back in hindsight, however, that would have been a great deal for Philly and the Habs would have a good, potentially great young defensive center for years. Couturier is not advancing as a player here the way he should be.

In reply to "anyone else think they're not this bad?" There is a saying that your record does not lie. I have watched every game and went to Flyers-Penguins about 3 weeks ago or so. Yes, they are definitely this bad, and if this overvalued by management, underachieving bunch does not get a fairly sizeable makeover, they will get worse. Much worse, I fear.

Don't you think that part of the chronic injury problems this team faces, and has faced for years, is that it tries to play a style suited for younger players and then goes out and signs ones in their mid to upper thirties? Their organizational philsophy needs to adjust. I say accumulate enough talent (and maybe suck it up and stink for two years) and let the talent grow and gel together. They got better after 06-07 in part because they let some of their young talent grow (sorry Joni Pitkanen, not you), then added veteran pieces. Why have a minor league team at all? They have NOTHING to lose by letting the young kids gain experience (if the team indeed trusts its own talent evaluation).

I say it is. Hartnell, Coburn, Meszaros, and Luke Schenn, just to name a few, are simply taking up space. I'm not ready to give up Couturier yet, but for the right player I would be willing to even deal him.The veterans who have been here for over 4 or 5 years need to be traded for future talent, and we need to let the young kids like Laughton play, including giving kids from the AHL time to develop their game. Who cares about the team's record? Anyone who has watched 5 minutes of this team knows they are going nowhere. The last 6 minutes of the Carolina game was pretty much an encapsulation of their entire season. I know their salaries are a problem, but there has to be a team out there in need of veterans, that will give us something. Maybe they will fit in better somewhere else, and we could have a very good team in a few years. It's better to have a sucky team with a solid plan and purpose rather than what seems to be now, which is having none at all. Thought this would be another fire Holmgren thread, eh? (I still think he should be).

Yeah, I heard he broke his Magic 8-Ball last year.

I feel horrible as a long time fan having to say that. I started watching this team going back to the late 70s, but they are going nowhere except 'circling the drain'. SIGNIFICANT changes have to start happening, sooner than later. They need to bring an entirely new ideology in here, from outside this toxic organization. I can't believe I'd EVER say I'd rather watch the Sixers. Ever.

A bunch of loser idiots, starting at the top of the disfunctorganization. This is what happens when the owner puts in luxury boxes and prices out the average fan. He now truly does not give a rat's a*s about the typical, longtime caring Flyers fan that many of you and myself are. The team can't draft, lacks in talent evaluation, has ridiculous notions like hates Russian players and has to play Broad Street Bully hockey by taking 12 penalties a game. He is more interested in corporate BS to sell to corporate clients that just want 'a night out'. He has turned into, if not is a 'snake oil' salesman phony, by getting players who are aged and names onlyand has no clue or care to have a clue. He should have fired Holmgren after the second period of last night's game, and did nothing. Going into the locker room and yelling isn't enough. Holding your employees accountable is. Instead, he was making plans on buying another leather jacket with his rich buddies while his franchise is basically the (new, maybe) joke of the NHL. Does Snider own the Sixers at all anymore? What we can hope, if he doesn't, is that they get really good quickly, and no one goes to see the Flyers anymore.

If Ed Snider truly lets Hextall run the team the way that Ron wants, then I'd give him a shot. He seems to have done a great job in LA. I would rather see if they could throw money at Ken Holland or Stan Bowman, or someone with experience to come here with the promise from Ed that he'll butt out from meddling in personnel decisions, but we all know none of that will happen. Ed's way or the highway=same old stuff, different day. He needs to accept the fact that he does not know half of what he think he knows about the game and the way it is played successfully today.