Game 51: Devils at Flyers; 5/1/21 @ 7, NBCSP

[Howie58]

Greetings:

 

Even the computers have a tough time figuring out a favorite for the upcoming schlockfest between two cellar dwellers:

 

https://sportsjaw.com/nhl/picks/1715521/new-jersey-devils-vs-philadelphia-flyers-prediction-2021-05-01/

 

I have not seen anything about another newbie audition.  I'm amazed that Mezzanine seats are selling in the $60 dollar range.  Lower level are at $100+.  Are people still willing to pay that much for this product?

 

 

 

[CoachX]

The season isnt over yet? 

[mkscrewy]

some guys didn't get the memo that the season started.

[Samifan]

I would love to see the scoreboard operator at WFC make the score 3-0 Devils when the Flyers take the ice for the pregame warmup. Maybe that would piss off this heartless team enough to show up in the first period.
 

#IHATEJAKE 

Edited May 1, 2021 by Samifan

[GratefulFlyers]

18 hours ago, Howie58 said:

Even the computers have a tough time figuring out a favorite for the upcoming schlockfest between two cellar dwellers:

Ha what a great intro! Well played sir...

 

18 hours ago, Howie58 said:

Are people still willing to pay that much for this product?

Hard to imagine anyone paying to see them in person....I feel abused cuz I paid $85 for NHL’s online feed this year, which only covers Flyers games...a few weeks later it dropped to $49 for all the games....and of course, “sorry but we do not refund or apply credits to NHL product purchases.”

[Howie58]

18 minutes ago, GratefulFlyers said:

Ha what a great intro! Well played sir...

 

Hard to imagine anyone paying to see them in person....I feel abused cuz I paid $85 for NHL’s online feed this year, which only covers Flyers games...a few weeks later it dropped to $49 for all the games....and of course, “sorry but we do not refund or apply credits to NHL product purchases.”

Thanks! I feel your pain. I wonder if it is good for my health to watch!

[OccamsRazor]

3 hours ago, GratefulFlyers said:

I feel abused cuz I paid $85 for NHL’s online feed this year, which only covers Flyers games.

 

I had that feeling and am glad I canceled mine.

 

I have had it since 2001.

 

First year I haven't had it.

 

No regrets and more than likely unless they have a huge offseason will I pay for it next year either.

[CoachX]

devils score first....looked like a beer league shot

[Samifan]

Flyers give up first goal for the 10th consecutive game, well done you collective group of s**t.

 

 

[CoachX]

kevin Hayes is playing his 500th game....I don't think he is aware. in fact, i don't think he's aware the game has started

 

[CoachX]

i feel like im watching a bunch of one armed drunks playing whack-a-mole

[CoachX]

I'm convinced...... Ghost is brain dead

 

makes perfect sense

[CoachX]

after one , the flyers still suck!

 

but hey, the eagles got devonta smith

[OccamsRazor]

46 minutes ago, Samifan said:

Flyers give up first goal for the 10th consecutive game, well done you collective group of s**t.

 

 

 

Just got home and see they are down 2-0 to the NewJersey Jespers!!!!

 

#shocked

 

[OccamsRazor]

I am sure Brian Elliott would rather sign somewhere else if he truly wants one last stab at a Cup.

 

The only Cup this guys will see is a solo cup full of beer on the golf course....FORE!!!!!

[GratefulFlyers]

Boy do the Flyers really suck. Some decent players but as a team they are nowhere.

 

And Brian Elliot ought to retire this summer.

[mkscrewy]

It’s wild to see what happens with good players when the team doesn’t give a ****. 

[radoran]

15 minutes ago, mkscrewy said:

It’s wild to see what happens with good players when the team doesn’t give a ****. 

 

A nine year leadership team doesn't give up seven out of eight points to a team behind you in the standings at this point of the season.

 

A nine year leadership team needs more pride than this.

 

The Flyers need new leadership from the E Suite on down to the ice.

[mkscrewy]

1 hour ago, radoran said:

 

A nine year leadership team doesn't give up seven out of eight points to a team behind you in the standings at this point of the season.

 

A nine year leadership team needs more pride than this.

 

The Flyers need new leadership from the E Suite on down to the ice.

Agree 100%

[Howie58]

Before the game, one of the announcers said the Flyers had given up the first goal 19 of last 21 games.  So, tonight's would make that 20 of 22.  I looked up the probability of winning in the NHL when scoring first: It is 67%!

 

https://hockey-graphs.com/2016/11/29/behind-the-numbers-scoring-first-and-conditional-probability/

 

It is hard for me to figure out why they are so slow out of the gate?  Talent? Poor preparation from the coaching staff?  Lousy conditioning (they started the season well, now what)?  You'd figure they would be sick of losing, but that must not be the case.  They are professionals being paid a lot of money--motivation shouldn't be a factor.  It is hard to understand how bad it is.  I will give Jones and the others credit for being candid.  Taryn and Morganti aren't mincing words either.  

 

Yep, Sir Chuck has his hands full.  And I have to wonder if ending the season below .500 will lose AV his job?

 

 

Edited May 2, 2021 by Howie58

[Lindbergh31]

11 hours ago, Howie58 said:

Before the game, one of the announcers said the Flyers had given up the first goal 19 of last 21 games.  So, tonight's would make that 20 of 22.  I looked up the probability of winning in the NHL when scoring first: It is 67%!

 

https://hockey-graphs.com/2016/11/29/behind-the-numbers-scoring-first-and-conditional-probability/

 

It is hard for me to figure out why they are so slow out of the gate?  Talent? Poor preparation from the coaching staff?  Lousy conditioning (they started the season well, now what)?  You'd figure they would be sick of losing, but that must not be the case.  They are professionals being paid a lot of money--motivation shouldn't be a factor.  It is hard to understand how bad it is.  I will give Jones and the others credit for being candid.  Taryn and Morganti aren't mincing words either.  

 

Yep, Sir Chuck has his hands full.  And I have to wonder if ending the season below .500 will lose AV his job?

 

 

Yes if they end the season below .500 maybe AV should lose his job but the leadership on this team should come into question especially Giroux and Voracek. Since the restart last year in the bubble Giroux looks and played like he wanted to anywhere else than playing hockey and it has continued this season. The good thing is he's only got one year left on his deal and I hope the Flyers don't extend him after next year. Time to move on from him and hopefully Voracek will be picked up by Seattle or trade somewhere.

[OccamsRazor]

36 minutes ago, Lindbergh31 said:

Yes if they end the season below .500 maybe AV should lose his job but the leadership on this team should come into question especially Giroux and Voracek.

 

I am good giving AV the benefit of the doubt this leadership is tainted and needs changing.

 

However i think his assistants may need to be shown the door. Find some new ones.

 

Becuase even if you were to fire this bunch who would you then put in their place???

[GratefulFlyers]

11 hours ago, Howie58 said:

And I have to wonder if ending the season below .500 will lose AV his job?

 

I hope not and I don't think he will unless something behind-the-scenes convinces the suits this was his fault somehow.

 

Frankly I don't think it was anyone's fault, individually or collectively. I said before it's Because Covid and I think that explains a lot. It does not however explain the Flyers' goal differential this year, which is MINUS 42. WTF is all I got on that.

 

Rad and others have complained about the leadership group. Their points are valid, not just imho but clearly and plainly valid. For a decade they've been alternating by year, Make / Miss the POs. They haven't found ways to build on success. Some of that is on the GM(s) poor decisions, some is on the coaching. But the players who've been around since this Make/Miss started have to take responsibility for too. Not sole responsibility but a good chunk of it.

 

It seems to me there's a huge hole in the personality of a team that swears it's a Stanley Cup contender but never makes it out of the 1st round. Once in 9 years is the punchline to a joke, nothing more. Good teams, Cup-winning teams have a will to win. Maybe it's a hate to lose mentality. Whatever, I can't describe it very well but it's like porn, when you see it you know it. Whatever it is the Flyers sure don't have it.

 

 

[Howie58]

3 hours ago, OccamsRazor said:

However i think his assistants may need to be shown the door. Find some new ones.

Occ and Grateful:

 

 

I don't want AV fired--that might have sacrificial lamb written all over it.  I agree the assistants are probably in the crosshairs.  That said, I think a slow start next year will cost AV his job--and perhaps that of CF as well.  

 

I will start a post-mortem thread after the season.  Meanwhile, I think we saw some of these problems during the playoffs last year, particularly against NYI, so the poor performance this year didn't shock me.  That said, I think this season is even more disappointing than '06-'07, the worst in history.  We knew that was a sub-par gang reflecting Clarke's design work wedded to an old NHL.  This group is a bleep load better on paper, and the performance is dreadful.  There are lots of issues.  Would I be angered if G and V are gone? No.  But the rot is deep and I see a Metro Division of teams on the upswing, while we stagnate. 

Edited May 2, 2021 by Howie58

[flyer4ever]

I honestly see this getting worse before it gets better, and not in the proper fashion. They will probably overpay and overterm some 35 yr old UFA trying for the quick fix sneak into the playoffs Hextall bulls**t , when the only way out of this is to gas the leadership group and have a couple of solid drafts. I have zero faith in the management of this team to get this right. They did well this week though, creeping up the draft board.