GrittyForever Posted June 6, 2022 Share Posted June 6, 2022 4 hours ago, CoachX said: I have no idea. And that really wasn't my point However if this is true, I'm not surprised. Today's players put thier individual success and finances above team needs on a regular basis. Definitely true. A lot of mercenaries out there. Hard to find players who give you home town discounts any more or have real team loyalty. Free agency did that. Lost a lot of team rivalries too. Ain't what it used to be for sure. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyercanuck Posted June 6, 2022 Share Posted June 6, 2022 1 hour ago, GrittyForever said: Definitely true. A lot of mercenaries out there. Hard to find players who give you home town discounts any more or have real team loyalty. Free agency did that. Lost a lot of team rivalries too. Ain't what it used to be for sure. Players are generally more likely to give a hometown discount to a team that drafted and developed them though, than one that outbids themselves for that player. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobbyClarkeFan16 Posted June 6, 2022 Share Posted June 6, 2022 5 hours ago, CoachX said: I have no idea. And that really wasn't my point However if this is true, I'm not surprised. Today's players put thier individual success and finances above team needs on a regular basis. And players have earned that right. Let's not forget they free agency was contractually negotiated by both players and owners. And let's be honest. If owners could screw players out of wages, they wouldn't think twice about it. Countless places did it for years and thought nothing of it. I have no qualms with players going to the highest bidders. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dumpster Hockey Posted June 6, 2022 Share Posted June 6, 2022 Players know they are what fills the seats. They are the attraction. These players in sports not only in Hockey in my opinion should get paid what they are worth because if you think about it once you get to that top level the percentage of players that can play at that level and can entertain the fans at that level is not that high. If everyone could do it then the salaries would not be that high. Only a small percentage of very talented athletes can play at that high level so they should get paid at a high level. The players know this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCFlyguy Posted June 6, 2022 Share Posted June 6, 2022 Certainly easier to be the owner of a sports team than a player. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dumpster Hockey Posted June 6, 2022 Share Posted June 6, 2022 4 minutes ago, SCFlyguy said: Certainly easier to be the owner of a sports team than a player. I have to disagree. You mean players like McDavid, Matthews, Makar, MacKinnon, or Drasaitl when it comes time for them to get a salary raised they don't have the upper hand? If they don't get what they want they just go somewhere else and it the $$$$$$ that they want from another owner that is willing to pay them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCFlyguy Posted June 6, 2022 Share Posted June 6, 2022 I'm saying it takes a lot of talent to be a player and make it all the way to the NHL. The players should absolutely take every last dollar they can get their hands on. It takes zero talent to become the owner of a professional sports team. In fact, many of them are inherited. Once you own one, they only go up in value without doing anything else really. Nice work if you can get it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dumpster Hockey Posted June 6, 2022 Share Posted June 6, 2022 Just now, SCFlyguy said: I'm saying it takes a lot of talent to be a player and make it all the way to the NHL. The players should absolutely take every last dollar they can get their hands on. It takes zero talent to become the owner of a professional sports team. In fact, many of them are inherited. Once you own one, they only go up in value without doing anything else really. Nice work if you can get it. I agree with that. What it takes to become an owner of a hockey team or any other sports team is tons of money and supposedly some sort of business sense. That is about it. I have a lot of friends with business degrees , but not that kind of money. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoachX Posted June 7, 2022 Author Share Posted June 7, 2022 5 hours ago, BobbyClarkeFan16 said: And players have earned that right. Let's not forget they free agency was contractually negotiated by both players and owners. And let's be honest. If owners could screw players out of wages, they wouldn't think twice about it. Countless places did it for years and thought nothing of it. I have no qualms with players going to the highest bidders. Interesting POV, considering this has not happened to a Flyer player that I can remember Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoachX Posted June 7, 2022 Author Share Posted June 7, 2022 2 hours ago, SCFlyguy said: It takes zero talent to become the owner of a professional sports team. In fact, many of them are inherited. Yeah, because any idiot can become a billionaire. Im pacing myself. What's your excuse? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCFlyguy Posted June 7, 2022 Share Posted June 7, 2022 11 hours ago, CoachX said: Yeah, because any idiot can become a billionaire. Im pacing myself. What's your excuse? Should have picked richer parents I guess. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobbyClarkeFan16 Posted June 7, 2022 Share Posted June 7, 2022 (edited) 12 hours ago, CoachX said: Interesting POV, considering this has not happened to a Flyer player that I can remember You're right. It hasn't happened to a Flyers player. But the Flyers have witnessed other franchise grossly underpay players and not say **** about how insulting that is to the fan base, players and integrity of the game. The Flyers didn't say how that negatively affects the league when players are underpaid or how it's a black eye on the sport when ba franchise chooses to low ball players. That makes them complicit. Edited June 7, 2022 by BobbyClarkeFan16 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoachX Posted June 7, 2022 Author Share Posted June 7, 2022 (edited) 59 minutes ago, SCFlyguy said: Should have picked richer parents I guess. Well played! Post of the day for me. Funny schidt Edited June 7, 2022 by CoachX 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoachX Posted June 7, 2022 Author Share Posted June 7, 2022 10 minutes ago, BobbyClarkeFan16 said: You're right. It hasn't happened to a Flyers player. But the Flyers have witnessed other franchise grossly underpay players and not say **** about how insulting that is to the fan base, players and integrity of the game. The Flyers didn't say how that negatively affects the league when players are underpaid or how it's a black eye on the sport when ba franchise chooses to low ball players. That makes them complicit. The primary argument on this forum, or at least one near the top, is how players aren't worth the contract they signed for (specifically pertaining to Flyer players). But you are arguing they should get all they can? Tell me again why Risto and Hayes deserve all the criticism they get? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aziz Posted June 7, 2022 Share Posted June 7, 2022 11 minutes ago, BobbyClarkeFan16 said: The Flyers didn't say how that negatively affects the league when players are underpaid or how it's a black eye on the sport when ba franchise chooses to low ball players. out of curiosity, how does it negatively affect the league, or give it a black eye if/when players are "underpaid"? as opposed to if/when players are overpaid? overpaid, you have teams pushed to the cap ceiling without the quality of players to justify it, which results in roster-building paralysis and stagnation and thing like trades designed to do nothing but "move contracts". underpaid players, on the other hand, allow for far more team building options, and a generally better roster all around. not to mention retains player mobility, as the contracts aren't a barrier. i'm not sure i'm seeing the league or sport suffering there, particularly. also, how do you define "grossly underpaid" in a league with an average salary around $3mil and a minimum salary over $500k? is it just as they relate to "comparable" players and their salaries? how do you adjust that "grossly underpaid" concept when factoring in grossly overpaid players ruining the curve? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoachX Posted June 7, 2022 Author Share Posted June 7, 2022 4 minutes ago, aziz said: out of curiosity, how does it negatively affect the league, or give it a black eye if/when players are "underpaid"? as opposed to if/when players are overpaid? overpaid, you have teams pushed to the cap ceiling without the quality of players to justify it, which results in roster-building paralysis and stagnation and thing like trades designed to do nothing but "move contracts". underpaid players, on the other hand, allow for far more team building options, and a generally better roster all around. not to mention retains player mobility, as the contracts aren't a barrier. i'm not sure i'm seeing the league or sport suffering there, particularly. also, how do you define "grossly underpaid" in a league with an average salary around $3mil and a minimum salary over $500k? is it just as they relate to "comparable" players and their salaries? how do you adjust that "grossly underpaid" concept when factoring in grossly overpaid players ruining the curve? My father you to say, "if you are going to bring logic into this, I won't talk to you." I suspect you will be hearing crickets 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobbyClarkeFan16 Posted June 7, 2022 Share Posted June 7, 2022 14 minutes ago, CoachX said: My father you to say, "if you are going to bring logic into this, I won't talk to you." I suspect you will be hearing crickets I will be responding once I'm done work. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RonJeremy Posted June 7, 2022 Share Posted June 7, 2022 15 hours ago, CoachX said: Yeah, because any idiot can become a billionaire. Im pacing myself. What's your excuse? Maybe it takes zero talent to become an owner if you inherited the team, but it takes alot of talent to be a good owner and have a successful team. You have to hire the right staff, make the proper decisions on personnel. You have to know when to put your foot down and know when to leave certain decisions to the staff you hired. Some owners like Jerry Jones are constantly meddling into everything and making decisions on draft picks, thinking they are the GM and guys like that don't ever win anything. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cheesesteak Posted June 9, 2022 Share Posted June 9, 2022 Is Jagr available? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TropicalFruitGirl26 Posted June 9, 2022 Share Posted June 9, 2022 2 hours ago, Cheesesteak said: Is Jagr available? Jagr is STILL playing in the Czech Republic, however, he won't be available to ANYONE for the next 78 years as he is having himself put into cryo-sleep till the 2100-2101 season so he can be known as the ONLY hockey player whose career spanned 3 different centuries. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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