2023-24 Phantoms/Flyer prospects

[RonJeremy]

1 hour ago, BobbyClarkeFan16 said:

I actually wanted Victor Soderstrom. He was an 18 year old already playing in the Swedish elite league and was playing big minutes. I have no problems with York. As much as I hated Fletcher, he and Brent Flahr could identify defensemen as it pertains to drafting. York is reliable and gives an honest 22 minutes a night. Those are hard defensemen to find and draft.

At this point, I’d still rather have highly skilled and dynamic Boldy or Caufield over plain vanilla York. He not great defensively ,he isn’t that great offensively,I’m hoping like many Flyers prospects he’s a late bloomer and takes a huge step next year. As of now we didn’t make the right move in passing on the other two guys. It all depends on how Brink turns out and if York turns out to be more than just vanilla.

[BobbyClarkeFan16]

22 minutes ago, RonJeremy said:

At this point, I’d still rather have highly skilled and dynamic Boldy or Caufield over plain vanilla York. He not great defensively ,he isn’t that great offensively,I’m hoping like many Flyers prospects he’s a late bloomer and takes a huge step next year. As of now we didn’t make the right move in passing on the other two guys. It all depends on how Brink turns out and if York turns out to be more than just vanilla.

Forward development is much different than defenseman development. Good defensemen take time. York is a good defenseman. He's smart with his stick and he's usually making the smart play. Did you know that his production is on par with how Eric Desjardins started? Cam York is a good player and he's close to breaking through. I bet that late in the year and playoffs, everything clicks for him and he takes the next step. I'm going to give Shaw his due. He's a defense whisperer and he's helped fix a number of bad habits that York developed. That happens with young guys, especially defensemen. I'm not worried about York at all. 

[flyercanuck]

Clarke and Holmgren wanted Hextall to take Connor Bedard instead of York. 

[RonJeremy]

9 hours ago, BobbyClarkeFan16 said:

Forward development is much different than defenseman development. Good defensemen take time. York is a good defenseman. He's smart with his stick and he's usually making the smart play. Did you know that his production is on par with how Eric Desjardins started? Cam York is a good player and he's close to breaking through. I bet that late in the year and playoffs, everything clicks for him and he takes the next step. I'm going to give Shaw his due. He's a defense whisperer and he's helped fix a number of bad habits that York developed. That happens with young guys, especially defensemen. I'm not worried about York at all. 

I hope so because historically the Flyers alway pick the station wagon over the Porsche , until we took Michkov.

[RonJeremy]

1 hour ago, flyercanuck said:

Clarke and Holmgren wanted Hextall to take Connor Bedard instead of York. 

No they wanted to pick Claude Boivin.

[flyercanuck]

That's Boivin Impe! 

[jammer2]

Breaking news...Kerry Huffman to come out of retirement and challenge York for his spot on pp #2. Huffman has been diligently working on spacial awareness and many think Yorks spot is in jeopardy!

[radoran]

3 hours ago, jammer2 said:

challenge York for his spot on pp #2.

 

Wait, the Flyers have a PP#2?

 

Do the players on that line know this?

 

[RonJeremy]

4 hours ago, jammer2 said:

Breaking news...Kerry Huffman to come out of retirement and challenge York for his spot on pp #2. Huffman has been diligently working on spacial awareness and many think Yorks spot is in jeopardy!

Willie Huber is on a PTO

[flyercanuck]

Michkov showing some skill here...

 

https://t.me/sochihc/13826

[OccamsRazor]

 

Good to hear.

[jammer2]

Just to show you what a clown league the KHL is...former Flyer prospect Jordan Weal...64 pts in 73 games...lmao. 

[OccamsRazor]

 

[Cheesesteak]

17 hours ago, OccamsRazor said:

 

YOU'RE MY BOY BUMP!    the Minneassassin! 

[BobbyClarkeFan16]

I'm in Owen Sound this evening to see the Attack vs Windsor Spitfires. Will get a close up on Liam Greentree and will give a full report after the game.

[OccamsRazor]

4 hours ago, Cheesesteak said:

YOU'RE MY BOY BUMP!    the Minneassassin! 

 

Cam Atkinson continues to steal and pay check and these boys can't find a spot.

 

 

[OccamsRazor]

Danny at the end of the season you know what you must do...

 

 

[OccamsRazor]

I want to see this kid steal a spot next camp/preseason...

 

 

[OccamsRazor]

Samu nice set up...

 

 

[SCFlyguy]

Can someone tell me where the horses for the Flyers "rebuild" are going to come from in the next 3-5 years?

 

I don't really follow the Phantoms, but the last time I can remember them doing anything was during the lockout in 04-05 when Carter and Richards joined midseason and they won a Calder Cup.  There were a number of other players from that team who went on to play significant roles for the Flyers in the next several years.

 

I see they are again the Phantoms are at near the bottom of their division, which seems like every year.  Even when they have made the playoffs in recent years they have done nothing.

 

These are mostly the players who are supposedly going to graduate to the Flyers and provide the basis for us being a contender.  I don't see it.  I don't see a single player absolutely dominating at the AHL level and demanding playing time on the Flyers.

 

If the infusion of talent isn't coming from Allentown, aren't the Flyers relying on the few prospects that aren't in the AHL: Bonk, Michkov and the handful of others drafted last year?  Seems thin.  Seems like you would need every one of these non-AHL draftees to be a superstar to have enough talent to be a perennial contender.

I would love for someone with more knowledge of this stuff than me to explain the path to contention when the farm is exceedingly thin.

 

 

 

[radoran]

42 minutes ago, SCFlyguy said:

I would love for someone with more knowledge of this stuff than me to explain the path to contention when the farm is exceedingly thin.

 

Honestly, at this point they're doing what Nashville just did - "rewarding" this year's team with a chance at "the playoffs".

 

It's a short term thing with potential long term repercussions.

 

I would like to see Briere make a run at, say, Anaheim for a top 5 pick with a couple of the firsts in hand and a sizeable roster player.

 

IF there is a guy in that spot they KNOW can fill one of the big holes for "when Michkov comes over".

 

Anaheim could be convinced that getting a solid top 6 forward and a couple of firsts could accelerate their rebuild.

 

Just one example, but I don't want to see them just take the 15+ pick and the 25+ pick as "first rounders" and be done with it.

 

Would like to see some creativity.

Edited March 10 by radoran

[BobbyClarkeFan16]

48 minutes ago, SCFlyguy said:

Can someone tell me where the horses for the Flyers "rebuild" are going to come from in the next 3-5 years?

 

I don't really follow the Phantoms, but the last time I can remember them doing anything was during the lockout in 04-05 when Carter and Richards joined midseason and they won a Calder Cup.  There were a number of other players from that team who went on to play significant roles for the Flyers in the next several years.

 

I see they are again the Phantoms are at near the bottom of their division, which seems like every year.  Even when they have made the playoffs in recent years they have done nothing.

 

These are mostly the players who are supposedly going to graduate to the Flyers and provide the basis for us being a contender.  I don't see it.  I don't see a single player absolutely dominating at the AHL level and demanding playing time on the Flyers.

 

If the infusion of talent isn't coming from Allentown, aren't the Flyers relying on the few prospects that aren't in the AHL: Bonk, Michkov and the handful of others drafted last year?  Seems thin.  Seems like you would need every one of these non-AHL draftees to be a superstar to have enough talent to be a perennial contender.

I would love for someone with more knowledge of this stuff than me to explain the path to contention when the farm is exceedingly thin.

The two horses I can think of down there are Tuomaala and Andrae. Both have kind of hit a wall, but they're going to be good. Both need competent players around them though and the Flyers have failed both from that standpoint. With that being said, Tuomaala's rookie season reminds me of Foerster's first season and Andrae needs a guy like Shaw to help him refine his defensive game. He's a work in progress, but you can see the talent and ability there. If the defensive side gets addressed, it's very possible that the Flyers might have a better skating Timonen style defender on their hands. 

 

York - Drysdale - Andrae - Bonk has the potential to be a REALLY good top four unit in the league. And I'll give the devil his due - Tortorella has a thing for developing defensemen, especially when Shaw can find and refine the flaws. 

 

 

[mojo1917]

@SCFlyguy

I think Tyson Foerster has more to his game. He's not a finished product, his shot is elite and he's strong as hell on the puck.

I think if he nears his ceiling we'll be pretty happy. There is a lot to like about that kid.

Joel Farabee will be a solid middle six guy, Owen Tippett has game breaking ability.

@BobbyClarkeFan16 has mentioned a very solid potential top 4.

I think the reason they have over achieved this season, aside from their f' all attitude  is these young guys are developing into better than projected players.

They may take a step back next season development is never linear, so the Flyers first will be a higher pick in a better draft.

 

They can use assets to trade for a "horse". Comcast has money.

 

You're smart, you can come up with some scenarios too I'm sure.

 

@radoran's desire to see some creativity in the offseason may be answered by the FO. Briere did get a first for Walker and no one thought that was happening. He was creative in using his cap space to recoup the 25 5th rounder.

Danny seems like a bright mind when it comes to this job. 

Edited March 10 by mojo1917

[BobbyClarkeFan16]

52 minutes ago, mojo1917 said:

@SCFlyguy

I think Tyson Foerster has more to his game. He's not a finished product, his shot is elite and he's strong as hell on the puck.

I think if he nears his ceiling we'll be pretty happy. There is a lot to like about that kid.

Joel Farabee will be a solid middle six guy, Owen Tippett has game breaking ability.

@BobbyClarkeFan16 has mentioned a very solid potential top 4.

I think the reason they have over achieved this season, aside from their f' all attitude  is these young guys are developing into better than projected players.

They may take a step back next season development is never linear, so the Flyers first will be a higher pick in a better draft.

 

They can use assets to trade for a "horse". Comcast has money.

 

You're smart, you can come up with some scenarios too I'm sure.

 

@radoran's desire to see some creativity in the offseason may be answered by the FO. Briere did get a first for Walker and no one thought that was happening. He was creative in using his cap space to recoup the 25 5th rounder.

Danny seems like a bright mind when it comes to this job. 

Yep. Overachieving is a part of development. The thing is, do any of the prospects and young players have transferrable skills that they can carry to the NHL with them? And if they do, can they be developed? I think if the younger players bypass Lehigh Valley and if Shaw and Tortorella work with them, they'll be ok. Lehigh Valley is the problem and any GM with a brain can see that. I hope that Laperriere is relieved of duties this summer and someone from junior hockey with a proven development track record is brought in to correct what's going on there. Will it happen? I don't know, but I think with how the team has cratered in the 2nd half, I can't believe that Laperriere isn't feeling any sort of heat.

[OccamsRazor]

Good to see the kids playing well.