Howie58 Posted January 24 Share Posted January 24 2 hours ago, hmc687 said: Again, my issue is with how much time has passed. It comes off like a cash-grab, big time. My understanding is that the delay is attributable to a badly conducted local police investigation that was essentially trashed by the provincial authorities. Whether justice delayed is justice denied remains to be seen. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobbyClarkeFan16 Posted January 24 Share Posted January 24 (edited) You'd figure Hockey Canada would have learned their lessons after Graham James. On the flip side, hockey in Canada is incredibly scummy. The amount of sexual deviancy is something else. Go to any arena after a junior b hockey game and you see the girls lining up and the boys literally having their 'pick of the litter.' I remember in high school how the 'boys' bragged about what they did to the girls and how a lot of the teachers doled out high fives. It was horrifying. Edited January 24 by BobbyClarkeFan16 3 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hmc687 Posted January 24 Share Posted January 24 37 minutes ago, radoran said: This has been under investigation for years. Hockey Canada settled two years ago. The sexual assault in 2018 has been a known issue for years. These are criminal charges and have nothing to do with whether the players have money. I'm not familiar w Canadian law. It is almost ALWAYS the case in the U.S. that criminal charges are filed well before personal settlements. Its strange seeing it done differently. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JR Ewing Posted January 24 Share Posted January 24 9 minutes ago, Howie58 said: My understanding is that the delay is attributable to a badly conducted local police investigation that was essentially trashed by the provincial authorities. Whether justice delayed is justice denied remains to be seen. There's a long and established history of the police helping the players out of these situations: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1cqURgg1eslU9Ky7NOUHlvM0PJ5rVX-FHZuacYBUL77o/edit#gid=821481613 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobbyClarkeFan16 Posted January 24 Share Posted January 24 February 5 is the expected date for charges and a press conference by London Police. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoachX Posted January 24 Share Posted January 24 13 minutes ago, BobbyClarkeFan16 said: February 5 is the expected date for charges and a press conference by London Police. they need two weeks to figure out what to say about charges it took them five years to come up with? whos the chief up there, Chuck Fletcher? why do I hear "yakity sax" in the background? 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CreaseAndAssist Posted January 24 Share Posted January 24 Yea, those teams might not see those players for a while. I don't feel bad for them one bit either. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobbyClarkeFan16 Posted January 24 Share Posted January 24 34 minutes ago, CoachX said: they need two weeks to figure out what to say about charges it took them five years to come up with? whos the chief up there, Chuck Fletcher? why do I hear "yakity sax" in the background? Pretty sure that everyone is getting time to dot i's and cross t's. The London Police screwed this investigation up initially, so I fully expect that they don't want anything to go wrong this time around. Having lived in London and having seen their work first hand dealing with Jacob Hoggard (look up what that creep did), I can understand why they're going to take their time on this. I'm also fairly certain that the defense attorneys are going to have a field day with the evidence here and with the six years of open, closed and reopen investigation, this is not only going to get ugly, but it's going to show just how incompetent one group is and how the lawyers are going to be front and center of everything. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aziz Posted January 24 Share Posted January 24 2 hours ago, hmc687 said: I'm not familiar w Canadian law. It is almost ALWAYS the case in the U.S. that criminal charges are filed well before personal settlements. Its strange seeing it done differently. I *think* the settlement was with Hockey Canada, not the players. Could be wrong, but that's the impression I'm getting. So, two separate things about the same situation. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pilldoc Posted January 24 Share Posted January 24 3 minutes ago, aziz said: I *think* the settlement was with Hockey Canada, not the players You are correct .... I did some research on the matter. Settlement was with Hockey Canada only. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JR Ewing Posted January 24 Share Posted January 24 (edited) 1 hour ago, aziz said: I *think* the settlement was with Hockey Canada, not the players. Could be wrong, but that's the impression I'm getting. So, two separate things about the same situation. Yes, this was it. There have been so many women who have come forward with rape accusations, that Hockey Canada had multiple funds setup to make these situations go away without public scrutiny. Things came to a head a little over a year ago, and pretty much everybody in a position of power there is gone, and only after every major corporate sponsor withdrew funds. Just a few of the many: https://www.tsn.ca/canadian-tire-permanently-ends-partnership-with-hockey-canada-1.1858583 https://www.tsn.ca/scott-smith-hockey-canada-board-of-directors-stepping-down-1.1860721 https://www.tsn.ca/rick-westhead-nike-suspends-relationship-with-hockey-canada-1.1859237 I should be more specific: Hockey Canada had a pool of $17M called the National Equity Fund, which was created with stated purpose of providing insurance to players at national tournaments. Instead, a transfer of $10.25M was directed from the NEF towards another account, and was used to settle the numerous sexual assaults which happened at these events. Later, it was determined that at least another $7M was directed towards a third (!) account to further settle assaults. https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/hockey-canada-transfered-millions-out-of-controversial-fund-1.6624089 Edited January 24 by JR Ewing 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Podein25 Posted January 24 Popular Post Share Posted January 24 (edited) 8 hours ago, JR Ewing said: Hockey Canada had set up multiple slush funds to deal with sexual assault accusations. This is important context and also a matter of public record, in case people are wondering. It's not necessarily well known outside of Canada. I mean let's be honest with ourselves here, especially those of us who played junior hockey. Boys will be boys and all but the culture is *rife* with behavior that crosses moral and legal lines and has been for a long time. This is a moment of reckoning, both for these young men and for Hockey Canada. Edited January 24 by Podein25 3 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JR Ewing Posted January 24 Share Posted January 24 5 minutes ago, Podein25 said: This is important context and also a matter of public record, in case people are wondering. It's not necessarily well known outside of Canada. I mean let's be honest with ourselves here, especially those of us who played junior hockey. Boys will be boys and all but the culture is *rife* with behavior that crosses moral and legal lines and has been for a long time. This is a reckoning moment, both for these young men and for Hockey Canada. Yup. This is a culture problem, and it goes much farther than some bad apples. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobbyClarkeFan16 Posted January 24 Share Posted January 24 7 minutes ago, Podein25 said: This is important context and also a matter of public record, in case people are wondering. It's not necessarily well known outside of Canada. I mean let's be honest with ourselves here, especially those of us who played junior hockey. Boys will be boys and all but the culture is *rife* with behavior that crosses moral and legal lines and has been for a long time. This is a reckoning moment, both for these young men and for Hockey Canada. And it's all throughout hockey in Canada. It's just a toxic environment that has been allowed to fester for years. As previously mentioned, you'd figure that Hockey Canada would have started the clean up process after Graham James, but they brought in people who talked a good game and continued burying all the horrible stuff that was going on behind the scenes. And it's important that it's not only hockey players that have had issues. Executives also had issues and buried things. I'm ashamed that a good hockey guy like Dave King was actually one of the scumbags that buried things. My hope is that a forensic and thorough investigation of Hockey Canada, it's executives, players, programs, etc....is done. I could go on and on about hockey, especially hockey in small town Ontario. The stories are horrific. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post ruxpin Posted January 24 Popular Post Share Posted January 24 4 hours ago, CoachX said: this is factually not true. Don't ignore the facts just because they don't fit your narrative. The victim did not wait years. The years are the product of the investigative machine. Have you even considered that those in those crucial positions were trying to protect entitled athletes? Its at the least as plausible as your argument that its a money grab Not to mention this is a criminal investigation, not a sexual assault lawsuit. Despite the fact half the population wants to deny this, facts really do matter. 3 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Podein25 Posted January 24 Share Posted January 24 10 minutes ago, BobbyClarkeFan16 said: I'm ashamed that a good hockey guy like Dave King was actually one of the scumbags that buried things. Agreed. Stains his whole career in hockey, which is like his entire adult life. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cheesesteak Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 (edited) 9 hours ago, hmc687 said: Don't put the cart before the horse. or the Hart before the course Edited January 25 by Cheesesteak 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cheesesteak Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 8 hours ago, Digityman said: So, here's a question. Let's say Carter is found guilty and (I admit I don't know the whole story) Hockey Canada is thought to have to have tried to cover this up previous to the Flyers drafting Carter, will the Flyers Organization sue Hockey Canada for loss of revenue? Not sure they can get a draft pick in compensation as the NHL wasn't involved. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cheesesteak Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 7 hours ago, mkscrewy said: He should go to prison like the rest of them. It ain’t that hard to figure out. we already know he looks good in orange 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Podein25 Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 9 minutes ago, Cheesesteak said: Sure, fair. But I also reserve the right to blame Lindros who, last I checked, is Canadian. He's probably from London! 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoachX Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 1 minute ago, Podein25 said: Sure, fair. But I also reserve the right to blame Lindros who, last I checked, is Canadian. He's probably from London! And he has questionable ethics when it comes to women……allegedly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Podein25 Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 1 minute ago, CoachX said: And he has questionable ethics when it comes to women……allegedly You mean like sleeping with Brindy's wife? Or was it the other way around? Which red-blooded men among us can claim to be pure as the driven snow on these matters? Not me, but in fairness to me, sheep have been the most transgressed, ahem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cheesesteak Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 7 minutes ago, Podein25 said: Sure, fair. But I also reserve the right to blame Lindros who, last I checked, is Canadian. He's probably from London! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pilldoc Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 14 minutes ago, Cheesesteak said: we already know he looks good in orange I shouldn’t laugh because this is is no laughing matter….. but that is funny. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Podein25 Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 8 hours ago, Digityman said: So, here's a question. Let's say Carter is found guilty and (I admit I don't know the whole story) Hockey Canada is thought to have to have tried to cover this up previous to the Flyers drafting Carter, will the Flyers Organization sue Hockey Canada for loss of revenue? Not sure they can get a draft pick in compensation as the NHL wasn't involved. Interesting question. Probably? I will ask my lawyer girlfriend. But let's say the answer is yes they could sue HC for damages. They'd get like 12 bucks, some Tim's donuts, and a case of beer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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