FD19372 Posted May 7 Share Posted May 7 I think the Flyers will pick 8th. Heeeere we go. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FD19372 Posted May 7 Share Posted May 7 I think either Seattle or Utah..win the draft lottery, with an outside chance of it being Montreal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FD19372 Posted May 7 Share Posted May 7 I hope the Blackhawks don't win it again. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FD19372 Posted May 7 Share Posted May 7 The Flyers get the 12th pick. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JR Ewing Posted May 7 Share Posted May 7 Jeez... Not a single position has changed with only three to go. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JR Ewing Posted May 7 Share Posted May 7 -Good; San Jose won it. -It's kind of odd how they cut to a San Jose Sharks watch party happening in Anaheim. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FD19372 Posted May 7 Share Posted May 7 (edited) 3 minutes ago, JR Ewing said: -Good; San Jose won it. -It's kind of odd how they cut to a San Jose Sharks watch party happening in Anaheim. I'm OK with it being San Jose, as I would be if it was Anaheim getting the first pick. Happy it wasn't Chicago again. Edited May 7 by FD19372 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JR Ewing Posted May 7 Share Posted May 7 1 minute ago, FD19372 said: I'm OK with it being San Jose, as I would be if it was Anaheim getting the first pick. Happy it wasn't Chicago again. Exactly. ABC: anybody but Chicago. 1 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pilldoc Posted May 8 Author Share Posted May 8 OK ... I edited the title .... Confirmed ...Flyers will pick at #12 for the upcoming NHL 2024 Entry Draft ...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyercanuck Posted May 8 Share Posted May 8 (edited) 14 hours ago, JR Ewing said: Exactly. ABC: anybody but Chicago. They're still getting a really good player to add to their young arsenal. While we twiddle our thumbs and stand by "WE NEVER REBUILD!"...like NOT winning Stanley Cups is some badge of honor. Edited May 8 by flyercanuck 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pilldoc Posted May 8 Author Share Posted May 8 1 hour ago, flyercanuck said: They're still getting a really good player to add to their young arsenal. While we twiddle our thumbs and stand by "WE NEVER REBUILD!"...like NOT winning Stanley Cups is some kind of honor. Bingo ..... and they will continue to get good young talent with all the draft capital they have ..... 7 picks this year in the first 3 rounds alone ...more than enough to move up if they see a player they really like ...... note the difference between the Hawks and Flyers .... The Panthers pick will be a late 1st ...... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mojo1917 Posted May 8 Share Posted May 8 1 hour ago, flyercanuck said: They're still getting a really good player to add to their young arsenal. While we twiddle our thumbs and stand by "WE NEVER REBUILD!"...like NOT winning Stanley Cups is some badge of honor Flyers will be getting a player in the same talent tier. The drop after Cellibrini is apparent, the guys from 2 to 14 are all in the same kind of talent boat. I get having the pick of the rest of the litter might be better than taking one of the few guys left in the tier. But all the players have upside and flaws, and after 14 there is a chasm in ability. Flyers are going to get a good player with their top pick also. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyercanuck Posted May 8 Share Posted May 8 20 minutes ago, mojo1917 said: Flyers will be getting a player in the same talent tier. The drop after Cellibrini is apparent, the guys from 2 to 14 are all in the same kind of talent boat. I get having the pick of the rest of the litter might be better than taking one of the few guys left in the tier. But all the players have upside and flaws, and after 14 there is a chasm in ability. Flyers are going to get a good player with their top pick also. Hopefully we get a good player. Obviously its going to depend on who's selected before us. And what they think a good player is. The fact they actually took Michkov last year, even though he was sitting there and it was a no brainer, is a good sign. I'll still take Chicagos prospects and picks over our prospects and picks...and bet they contend before Philly does. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GratefulFlyers Posted May 8 Share Posted May 8 17 hours ago, flyercanuck said: Did you actually say "developing". indeed the Flyers’ track record sucks but it has begun to turn around. You watched enough games this past season I think to know some younger guys really did develop their games. Not only the forwards but York and I’d even credit Sanheim for finding another level esp early in the year. So on the development side it’s not all doom and gloom. Some of it was surely the Tortorella effect but I don’t think it was solely that. As to trading no of course it’ll take more than Deslauriers… probably have to throw in Laughton as well…! Seriously they don’t need to trade for every key position. At some point you’ll have to accept the fact the Flyers are not doing a full, total rebuild. I wish they would. I know the odds of a patchwork team winning the Cup are slim. But I just don’t have much hope they’ll actually do it. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hmc687 Posted May 8 Share Posted May 8 Flyers need to do whatever they can to draft Cole Eiserman. I know center is a big need too but the team is still missing raw talent and skill and this kid has such an exceptional shot. And he's not Caufield 2.0 so here's to hoping they dont pass on Eiserman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mojo1917 Posted May 8 Share Posted May 8 3 minutes ago, hmc687 said: Flyers need to do whatever they can to draft Cole Eiserman. I know center is a big need too but the team is still missing raw talent and skill and this kid has such an exceptional shot. And he's not Caufield 2.0 so here's to hoping they dont pass on Eiserman He's ranked #4 by Mackenzie and #8 on Button's list, those guys talk with GMs and Scouts so he's pretty highly rated by the people doing the picking. He's an August (almost September) birthday so he's almost a year younger than many in the draft class. I thought I have seen that he's got some issues with focus, passivity and maturity, but that might be due to his age. Maybe he slips a little because of that, he's not a great skater either so maybe he's around at 12? When I see skating being an issue, it always diminishes a prospect in my mind. Also, the word passivity in the Hockey Writers scouting report is not great to see either. JvR was passive- despite above average everything else and we all hated that guy. We'll have to see I'm sure there are going to be lots of names bandied about until the draft. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JR Ewing Posted May 8 Share Posted May 8 This isn't a draft that would intrigue me to the extent that you should pay much of a price to move up. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mojo1917 Posted May 8 Share Posted May 8 1 minute ago, JR Ewing said: This isn't a draft that would intrigue me to the extent that you should pay much of a price to move up. Agree, the top 15 or so players a have a enough questions about them where they could be really good or out of the league in 5 years. I will say the same thing was said about the 2017 class and there are 3 star players not named Patrick or Hirsheier from that class' top 10. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyercanuck Posted May 8 Share Posted May 8 1 hour ago, hmc687 said: Flyers need to do whatever they can to draft Cole Eiserman. I know center is a big need too but the team is still missing raw talent and skill and this kid has such an exceptional shot. And he's not Caufield 2.0 so here's to hoping they dont pass on Eiserman No...no they don't. I wouldn't take him at 12, you want to trade up for him? After 12, theres a drop and I might gamble on him there. I hope someone else takes him before us, that'll give us a better option at our pick. 49 minutes ago, mojo1917 said: He's ranked #4 by Mackenzie and #8 on Button's list, those guys talk with GMs and Scouts so he's pretty highly rated by the people doing the picking. He's an August (almost September) birthday so he's almost a year younger than many in the draft class. I thought I have seen that he's got some issues with focus, passivity and maturity, but that might be due to his age. Maybe he slips a little because of that, he's not a great skater either so maybe he's around at 12? When I see skating being an issue, it always diminishes a prospect in my mind. Also, the word passivity in the Hockey Writers scouting report is not great to see either. JvR was passive- despite above average everything else and we all hated that guy. We'll have to see I'm sure there are going to be lots of names bandied about until the draft. MacKenzie has him at 13, not 4. https://www.tsn.ca/nhl/bob-mckenzie-s-nhl-draft-ranking-an-unpredictable-ride-after-macklin-celebrini-1.2116004 He was ranked 2nd by a lot of people going into this draft. he's fallen hard, and its not because of a war. He's got a great shot which we already have in Michkov and Foerster, and Tippett...we need guys to get them the puck, and build up the blueline. Fallers in drafts (because of their play, not politics) don't generally fair well . Button alsop has him at 13. https://www.tsn.ca/nhl/craig-button-s-mock-draft-who-goes-after-macklin-celebrini-1.2116650 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pilldoc Posted May 8 Author Share Posted May 8 (edited) 1 hour ago, hmc687 said: Flyers need to do whatever they can to draft Cole Eiserman. I know center is a big need too but the team is still missing raw talent and skill and this kid has such an exceptional shot. And he's not Caufield 2.0 so here's to hoping they dont pass on Eiserman 1 hour ago, mojo1917 said: Maybe he slips a little because of that, he's not a great skater either so maybe he's around at 12? When I see skating being an issue, it always diminishes a prospect in my mind. Also, the word passivity in the Hockey Writers scouting report is not great to see either. JvR was passive- despite above average everything else and we all hated that guy. agree with @mojo1917 here ... I have been some early stages of research and have heard his name pop up a bit .... Per many sources ...no denying his lethal shot and potential play making ability. "If there’s one thing that has stayed consistent — and lethal — in Eiserman’s game, it’s his shot. Now just 10 goals away from the US National Team Development Program’s all-time goal record, he continues to prove that he has the most dangerous shot of anyone in this year’s draft class. In 45 games this season with the National Team Development Program (NTDP), he’s tallied 48 goals and 73 total points." "He can, and will, shoot from anywhere in the offensive zone with pinpoint accuracy, showcasing his deadly and deceptive release en route to beating the opposing goalie cleanly. He can release the puck in extremely tight spaces, using his supple hands to quickly toe-drag release around defenders; he doesn’t need to be open to be a goal-scoring threat, though he is also excellent at reading the defense in-zone and finding open shooting lanes for himself. In addition to his shot, he’s a hard worker on and off the ice, not being afraid to play with a smidge of snarl and grit along the boards in order to win pucks back for himself." This is all good ... I am certainly not going to deny that ...... Here is the part that gives me much concern .... "he’s got some room to improve on many facets of his game, hence his significant drop-off in draft position projection. While he’s a decent playmaker, his passing capabilities are nothing to write home about. He struggles at times to find open space when carrying the puck while not in a shooting lane and thus is prone to losing it to defensemen rather than prolonging offensive zone time by finding available teammates. His skating is another major pain point in his game — he’s sporting neither quick acceleration nor high-end top speed, and it costs him in a rush-style offense and in transition. There’s no denying his skill in a cycle offense; he’s great at finding space to shoot when he doesn’t have possession of the puck and has a quick-fire trigger from tight spaces which can and should be considered a coveted asset. At the same time, his struggles with straight-line speed and acceleration don’t project particularly well to a rush-style system that’s reliant on speedy breakouts and capitalizing on odd-man rushes. Perhaps the bigger issue here is his lack of ability in transition. As a passenger player, his game projects fairly well: find space, get the puck, shoot, and score. As of right now, though, he isn’t going to be a player who brings the puck from zone to zone, and that’s a major issue in today’s speed-centric NHL. His speed makes it easier for defenders to poke-check the puck away from him while attempting a zone entry, and his lack of agility doesn’t help his case transitionally either. Finally, there are some concerns with his defensive play. Naturally, as a goal-scoring threat, he shouldn’t necessarily be expected to be a high-quality defender, but it’s on the borderline of being a liability. He has some lethargy away from the puck, though he is, generally speaking, a hard worker — I think it’s a processing-speed issue with defensive positioning more than I believe that he doesn’t have a desire to make a defensive impact." “While his shot, offensive routes, and ability to release in tight space continue to be top-of-the-class strengths, it’s simply not enough. A lack of overall engagement, poor decision-making, a lack of explosive skating, and an overall passivity have regularly marred viewings.” – David Saad, Dobber Prospects Rachel Doerrie - ESPN - April 2nd: "Scouts raised concerns that he would "disappear" when he wasn't scoring, and his stock has declined because of it. There is no denying his ability to score, but he'll need to continue to develop his instincts and decision-making in college to score at the NHL level." Scott Wheeler - The Athletic - March 25th: "He can get carried away trying to do too much, stickhandling into trouble or shooting into shin pads. The play selection and habits definitely need some work, and have led to many understandably lowering him outside the top-five range I still have him in (though I am less sure about it than I thought I'd be)." There are several who praise him ..... “Eiserman is constantly making an impact each shift he is out there for. In the offensive zone, he is a good forechecker, will fight for pucks down low and in the corners. Eiserman will rely on his reach to stick-lift attackers and force a disruption in oppositional puck possession. He has good puck manipulation and will use it to draw in attackers and then quickly pass underneath the stick to an open teammate. Eiserman has an excellent shot, especially from range.” – Josh Tessler, SMAHT Scouting Sam Cosentino - Sportsnet - March 13th: "The hardest thing to do in hockey is score, and he’s doing that at an elite level." Steven Ellis - Daily Faceoff - March 9th: "Eiserman’s shot is as elite as it gets at this level, allowing him to put pucks in the net from just about anywhere. He also loves to throw hits too as an absolute competitor." Peter Baracchini - The Hockey Writers - March 7th: "You can’t deny the fact that he’s got a dangerous release and accuracy. However, there are some concerns with his off the puck play and ability to be engaging can be very inconsistent." Mike Morreale - NHL.com - March 1st: "Eiserman (6-0, 197) has one of the best shots of any player in the draft class and doesn't shy from utilizing that big asset every shift from anywhere in the offensive end." NHL Potential As I alluded to earlier, it’s become increasingly difficult to project Eiserman’s translation to the NHL. On one hand, his shot in and of itself is already top-of-an-NHL-lineup quality and he could very well fix the issues he has with his game in a year or two outside of the NHL. On the other, he didn’t really improve those facets of his game all that much since first debuting with the NTDP in 2022-23, and may never reach the point where he has multiple dimensions to his game. I’m bullish on Eiserman, though, and think that he will be a top-six, goal-scoring winger for many, many years. He has legitimate 40-plus goal potential if he develops correctly and gets paired with the right playmaking center. Cole Eiserman – NHL Draft Projection His stagnancy in improving his game has left him a near-impossibility to predict, though he’s undoubtedly going to be a top-half selection as a byproduct of his incredible shot. Rankings have him anywhere from third overall to 16th, and there isn’t really a particular directional skew of that wide range, either. I would guess that he drops well past the second-overall rank he’s garnered for years and gets selected in the 8-12 range. I would say he is an enigma .... If the Flyers didn't have so many other holes I would be ok with a pick like this. However if he turns out more to be JVR like then we will all be disappointed.. Danny and company, IMHO, have to nail this pick ..... Though Cole seems very attractive, I do have some legit concerns .... https://thehockeywriters.com/cole-eiserman-2024-nhl-draft-prospect-profile/ Edited May 8 by pilldoc 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pilldoc Posted May 8 Author Share Posted May 8 @flyercanuck Totally agree with your thoughts here. You want players who are rising through the season not falling. He is falling for a reason. I trust these scouts who watch them day in and out. The Flyers need a legit #1 center. If he is there at #12 you have to draft that player before I would draft Cole. I am just scared of JVR 2.0 here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mojo1917 Posted May 8 Share Posted May 8 6 minutes ago, flyercanuck said: MacKenzie has him at 13, I must have been looking at an older ranking, I got mine from the hockey writers that's where they say MacKenzie has him. Maybe they haven't updated to the latest link, which came out yesterday? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pilldoc Posted May 8 Author Share Posted May 8 From Hockey Writers ..... Rankings NHL Central Scouting: 8th (among NA skaters) Future Considerations: 13th Peter Baracchini’s March Rankings: 10th Logan Horn’s February Rankings: 5th Andrew Forbes’ February Rankings: 4th SMAHT Scouting: 3rd Bob McKenzie’s Rankings: 4th Dobber Prospects Mid-Season Rankings: 16th Recruit Scouting: 9th 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
radoran Posted May 8 Share Posted May 8 6 minutes ago, pilldoc said: if he develops correctly and gets paired with the right playmaking center. With this criteria, I could almost have been a 40-goal scoring winger in the NHL. 30, surely. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pilldoc Posted May 8 Author Share Posted May 8 3 minutes ago, radoran said: With this criteria, I could almost have been a 40-goal scoring winger in the NHL. 30, surely. and I stayed at a Holiday Inn Express last night 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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