B21 Posted February 20, 2014 Share Posted February 20, 2014 @B21 Yes, the deferred money is now ringing a bell. I seem to remember Mario basically had no choice because he might not have got his money back if he didn't step in They could have sold out every game from 2001 until the lock-out and still would have filed for bankruptcy protection. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
radoran Posted February 20, 2014 Share Posted February 20, 2014 I was surprised, too - but it's Nielsen. Not some dope on Bleacher Report. Maybe it's the same Tronno-ites watching/going over and over and over? I'm going to have to believe this is US-only.There's no way, for example, that less than 1/3 of Winnipeg, Calgary and Edmonton (to say nothing of Toronto, Ottawa, Montreal and Vancouver) have watched their home NHL franchise play in some way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyercanuck Posted February 20, 2014 Share Posted February 20, 2014 This ^.... which I already suggested. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Polaris922 Posted February 20, 2014 Share Posted February 20, 2014 Maybe Canada isn't the be all end all in hockey after all? lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B21 Posted February 20, 2014 Share Posted February 20, 2014 I'm going to have to believe this is US-only.There's no way, for example, that less than 1/3 of Winnipeg, Calgary and Edmonton (to say nothing of Toronto, Ottawa, Montreal and Vancouver) have watched their home NHL franchise play in some way. I was thinking same. So the midleading thread title should have read Penguins Fans Named Best in the NHL in U.S. Cities Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
radoran Posted February 20, 2014 Share Posted February 20, 2014 I was thinking same. So the midleading thread title should have readPenguins Fans Named Best in the NHL in U.S. Cities more like "Pittsburgh fans have notably less to do than the rest of the Country" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyercanuck Posted February 20, 2014 Share Posted February 20, 2014 more like "Pittsburgh fans have notably less to do than the rest of the Country" 'Cept for Polaris who spends 24/7 throwing potheads into penatentaries for life. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Polaris922 Posted February 20, 2014 Share Posted February 20, 2014 'Cept for Polaris who spends 24/7 throwing potheads into penatentaries for life. HA HA HA HA HAAAA! Heroin junkies... they're a different story. Though admittedly addiction is addiction.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irishjim Posted February 20, 2014 Share Posted February 20, 2014 Let the nay-saying begin...i remember a time right before possible bankruptcy they couldn't draw flies and that wasn't all that long ago Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Polaris922 Posted February 20, 2014 Share Posted February 20, 2014 i remember a time right before possible bankruptcy they couldn't draw flies and that wasn't all that long ago I strongly disagree... There were always flies! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ruxpin Posted February 21, 2014 Share Posted February 21, 2014 Same reply to you, since it fits.... They were...1989-94....with no threat of relocating the franchise either. I know it's not Pittsburgh to Kansas City, but there was significant talk of moving to Camden or western burbs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
radoran Posted February 21, 2014 Share Posted February 21, 2014 I know it's not Pittsburgh to Kansas City, but there was significant talk of moving to Camden or western burbs Which just means "relocating in the area" - not the threat of losing the franchise entirely. It was part of the discussions about building a new building, not a threat to leave due to anemic fan support. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fanaticV3.0 Posted February 21, 2014 Share Posted February 21, 2014 @ruxpin Are these the same "die hard" fans that almost let the team leave due to lack of support? Perhaps enough time has passed that it's the next generation of fans, the kids of the people that didn't care if they moved to Anchorage, Alaska or Kansas City. When I was junior high/high school age, you could walk up to the ticket window at the Spectrum and buy tickets for that night's game. I've been to games in the Spectrum that were so empty that during warmups opposing team's players would look up when I yelled sh!t at them because they could hear me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyercanuck Posted February 21, 2014 Share Posted February 21, 2014 @radoran Wouldn't moving to Camden be the end of the franchise, and whatever fans attended there? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
radoran Posted February 21, 2014 Share Posted February 21, 2014 @radoran Wouldn't moving to Camden be the end of the franchise, and whatever fans attended there? Camden was never really a serious option - never got beyond the "Camden exists and is a thing" phase. But moving to the PA burbs - or somewhere else in South Jersey - would be like the Bills in Orchard Park, the Cowboys in Arlington, the Pats in Foxboro, the Redskins in Andover or the "New York" football teams in East Rutherford, NJ. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyercanuck Posted February 21, 2014 Share Posted February 21, 2014 @radoran Ya, games are a much better experience in the heart of whatever city they are in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jammer2 Posted February 21, 2014 Share Posted February 21, 2014 When I was junior high/high school age, you could walk up to the ticket window at the Spectrum and buy tickets for that night's game. I've been to games in the Spectrum that were so empty that during warmups opposing team's players would look up when I yelled **** at them because they could hear me. Totally believe you fanatic, but just speaking in terms of generalities, the Flyers have always been well supported, regardless of standings, the same can't be said for the Pens. AND yes....this an invitation for a stat geek to cross compare the Flyers attendance with points and see if there is some mud in that water. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bertmega Posted February 21, 2014 Share Posted February 21, 2014 Penguins Fans Named Best in the NHL by Gary Bettman and Pierre McGuire... Fixed the title for you... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Samifan Posted February 21, 2014 Share Posted February 21, 2014 Best fans in the league, as voted by Bettman? The same survey probably voted the guy that thinks he's Hulk Hogan the greatest hockey fan ever. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaGreatGazoo Posted February 21, 2014 Share Posted February 21, 2014 but there was significant talk of moving to Camden or western burbs Yeah, because everyone from the Philly area wants to go to Camden!! LOL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ruxpin Posted February 21, 2014 Share Posted February 21, 2014 Yeah, because everyone from the Philly area wants to go to Camden!! LOLPeople IN Camden don't want to go to Camden Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ruxpin Posted February 21, 2014 Share Posted February 21, 2014 Which just means "relocating in the area" - not the threat of losing the franchise entirely.It was part of the discussions about building a new building, not a threat to leave due to anemic fan support.Details details (agreed. I actually HEARD you responding as I typed the post) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fanaticV3.0 Posted February 21, 2014 Share Posted February 21, 2014 Totally believe you fanatic, but just speaking in terms of generalities, the Flyers have always been well supported, regardless of standings, the same can't be said for the Pens. AND yes....this an invitation for a stat geek to cross compare the Flyers attendance with points and see if there is some mud in that water. I have no idea how one measure a good fan base, but straight ticket sales just determines whether people are buying them or not, not if they are fans (corporate stuff) or even going (empty seats that were purchased). 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ruxpin Posted February 21, 2014 Share Posted February 21, 2014 I have no idea how one measure a good fan base, but straight ticket sales just determines whether people are buying them or not, not if they are fans (corporate stuff) or even going (empty seats that were purchased). Completely agree. I think maybe only the extremes on either end are noticeable, but even that probably has a certain amount of anecdotal evidence. The Panthers' fan base clearly stinks, for example. But there's 25 teams or so in the middle that changes depending upon set of criteria. I agree with you that ticket sales, while a decent ingredient for determining financial success, is not a great measure of a fan base. The absence of ticket sales indicates an unsupportive fan base, it still is difficult to measure against other teams given what you cited about tickets purchased vs. empty seats, etc, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Polaris922 Posted February 21, 2014 Share Posted February 21, 2014 Which just means "relocating in the area" - not the threat of losing the franchise entirely. It was part of the discussions about building a new building, not a threat to leave due to anemic fan support. And I''ll repeat... the problem was NOT anemic fan support.. the problem was severe mismanagement at the upper levels of the organization. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts
Join the conversation
You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.
Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible.