jammer2 Posted December 15, 2015 Share Posted December 15, 2015 Where would the Flyers be if they did not have Ghost's 11 pts from the back end...many of those pp rockets from the point. He sparked a dead pp and brought life to it. No way in hell should he get sent down....and no way in hell should he not be on the top pp either. Either have Ghost and Streit at the pts on the top pp or demote Streit to the second pp if you want to go with 4 forwards. Important for Streit to get pts though....it would up his trade value a whole lot to come back scoring. Streit seems like one of the deadline additions that might garner some serious consideration....and dare I say....a potential bidding war? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Knut Posted December 15, 2015 Share Posted December 15, 2015 You are only going to get 900k relief for either one, the rest of their salary still will stay on the cap.For either Umberger or Mac? Can't get 900k in cap relief for someone who doesn't make 900k like Manning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyerrod Posted December 15, 2015 Share Posted December 15, 2015 For either Umberger or Mac? Can't get 900k in cap relief for someone who doesn't make 900k like Manning.Yes but the difference between the 900k and their actual pay still counts against the cap.For instance,see Andrew McDud. When he is sent down, it saves the team 900k in cap space.....BUT, the remainder 4.5 mil or so still counts AGAINST the cap...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brelic Posted December 15, 2015 Share Posted December 15, 2015 Where would the Flyers be if they did not have Ghost's 11 pts from the back end...many of those pp rockets from the point. He sparked a dead pp and brought life to it. No way in hell should he get sent down....and no way in hell should he not be on the top pp either. I agree jammer. And he's so fun to watch! Here are a few more interesting stats about him... He is tied for the most points among defensemen (9 pts in 14 games to Streit's 9 points in 16 games), and he's done it in half the games of the other defensemen. He has the best shooting percentage on the team (16%). Ghost (+1), Manning (+2) and Gudas (+2) are the only defensemen with a positive +/-. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Knut Posted December 15, 2015 Share Posted December 15, 2015 Yes but the difference between the 900k and their actual pay still counts against the cap.For instance,see Andrew McDud. When he is sent down, it saves the team 900k in cap space.....BUT, the remainder 4.5 mil or so still counts AGAINST the cap...... Yes I know. I think my point was simpler than you're inferring that was. Someone suggested waiving Manning, but besides the fact that I think Manning can just get sent down, if they send him down or waive him they're saving max of 650k or whatever instead of the 900k they get from waiving Mac or Umby the remainder of whose salary counts against the cap no matter what. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Knut Posted December 15, 2015 Share Posted December 15, 2015 I agree jammer. And he's so fun to watch! Here are a few more interesting stats about him...He is tied for the most points among defensemen (9 pts in 14 games to Streit's 9 points in 16 games), and he's done it in half the games of the other defensemen.He has the best shooting percentage on the team (16%).Ghost (+1), Manning (+2) and Gudas (+2) are the only defensemen with a positive +/-. It's beyond my ability to fathom how Manning has a positive +/- Wonders never cease. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brelic Posted December 15, 2015 Share Posted December 15, 2015 It's beyond my ability to fathom how Manning has a positive +/-Wonders never cease. Manning and Ghost probably face a lower quality of competition, I would guess. Gudas, I'm not sure. He was paired at the bottom for a while and faced easier competition, but he's been with DZ for a number of games now. DZ is -8. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elmatus Posted December 15, 2015 Share Posted December 15, 2015 Manning and Ghost probably face a lower quality of competition, I would guess. Gudas, I'm not sure. He was paired at the bottom for a while and faced easier competition, but he's been with DZ for a number of games now. DZ is -8.I don't like Manning, but I do understand why he's on the current team. He's not going to win you any games, but he won't lose them either. He does nothing risky or flashy. He makes the simple play pretty much every time. He's pretty much always in the right spot, or involved when he needs to be, or doing the basic stuff that coaches largely expect from their dmen. I'm not really surprised he's a plus. I don't think he plays on a team with a solid d-core, but we don't have a solid d-core, so it makes sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
radoran Posted December 15, 2015 Author Share Posted December 15, 2015 Yes I know. I think my point was simpler than you're inferring that was. Someone suggested waiving Manning, but besides the fact that I think Manning can just get sent down, if they send him down or waive him they're saving max of 650k or whatever instead of the 900k they get from waiving Mac or Umby the remainder of whose salary counts against the cap no matter what. Yeah, and Manning's $650K doesn't help them fit Streit back under the cap... I don't think they waive Umburglar - first because he is "Hexy's guy" and second because it just doesn't "look good" to potential FAs to be stashing "NHL players" in the AHL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Knut Posted December 15, 2015 Share Posted December 15, 2015 Yeah, and Manning's $650K doesn't help them fit Streit back under the cap...I don't think they waive Umburglar - first because he is "Hexy's guy" and second because it just doesn't "look good" to potential FAs to be stashing "NHL players" in the AHL.Guess it's good we're not signing any FA D men anytime soon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OccamsRazor Posted December 15, 2015 Share Posted December 15, 2015 I agree jammer. And he's so fun to watch! Here are a few more interesting stats about him... He is tied for the most points among defensemen (9 pts in 14 games to Streit's 9 points in 16 games), and he's done it in half the games of the other defensemen. He has the best shooting percentage on the team (16%). Ghost (+1), Manning (+2) and Gudas (+2) are the only defensemen with a positive +/-. All that combined with the fact he has brought G alive with his creativity you can just see it when those two are out there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OccamsRazor Posted December 15, 2015 Share Posted December 15, 2015 I just don't see how Hextall can send Ghost down. To reinforce this. ( not that this is even criteria for making the call just pointing it out) everyone is taking note... Brady Trettenero @BradyTrett 2h2 hours agoNo defenseman in the Metropolitan Division has gotten more all-star votes than #Flyers Shayne Gostisbehere. He ranks 40th overall in voting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OccamsRazor Posted December 15, 2015 Share Posted December 15, 2015 Despite playing about half amount of games as everyone, Gostisbehere is t-third among all NHL d-men with 4 PPG. Only Faulk & Weber have more Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brelic Posted December 15, 2015 Share Posted December 15, 2015 To reinforce this. ( not that this is even criteria for making the call just pointing it out) everyone is taking note... Brady Trettenero @BradyTrett 2h2 hours agoNo defenseman in the Metropolitan Division has gotten more all-star votes than #Flyers Shayne Gostisbehere. He ranks 40th overall in voting. Wow that is impressive! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OccamsRazor Posted December 15, 2015 Share Posted December 15, 2015 Wow that is impressive! If you're trying to ice the best team there is no way this kid wouldn't be part of that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Knut Posted December 15, 2015 Share Posted December 15, 2015 but he won't lose them either. That's funny because I can think of a couple instances this year when he has lost us games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elmatus Posted December 15, 2015 Share Posted December 15, 2015 That's funny because I can think of a couple instances this year when he has lost us games. Yeah? Maybe they just don't come to mind for me then. Most of the time, I find he just sort of exists on the ice. Again, nothing flashy, but I don't see him screw up much. I really don't think he's true NHL caliber, but I think he's an okay plug for a team that lack defensive depth. That said, it's pretty obvious he could be sent down with little of an impact on the team. Unless of course there is something to his pairing with Gost that I'm not aware of. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elmatus Posted December 15, 2015 Share Posted December 15, 2015 To reinforce this. ( not that this is even criteria for making the call just pointing it out) everyone is taking note... Brady Trettenero @BradyTrett 2h2 hours agoNo defenseman in the Metropolitan Division has gotten more all-star votes than #Flyers Shayne Gostisbehere. He ranks 40th overall in voting. We should stage our own Reddit blast and try to get him in. I don't imagine there are enough of us mind you. Looks like he's currently 13th overall in voting for the Metro. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RJ8812 Posted December 15, 2015 Share Posted December 15, 2015 If you're trying to ice the best team there is no way this kid wouldn't be part of that. They can't demote Gostisbehere. It's silly. You do whatever you can to keep him on the team Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Knut Posted December 15, 2015 Share Posted December 15, 2015 They can't demote Gostisbehere. It's silly. You do whatever you can to keep him on the teamCould be Manning and Laughton. How much cap relief so we get if its Schultz? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RJ8812 Posted December 15, 2015 Share Posted December 15, 2015 I would prefer Laughton tbh (Manning too) I think Laughton has more to gain in LV at this point in his career Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ruxpin Posted December 15, 2015 Share Posted December 15, 2015 It's good news if Ghost stays up and they waive Manning or Schultz to get him back in the lineup. I'm afraid if you send Ghost back down you could hurt his confidence and put out the spark he has provided. Just my 2 cents.I haven't read the rest of the thread yet and may not have time, but this post was perfect. Completely agree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJgoal Posted December 15, 2015 Share Posted December 15, 2015 ~950k. Same as any other player with a cap hit that exceeds that number.And it may be best for the team right now to keep Ghost, but if management feels he'll be even better next year or the year after if he gets more time in the AHL to work on parts of his game, he'll be back in LV. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OccamsRazor Posted December 15, 2015 Share Posted December 15, 2015 I haven't read the rest of the thread yet and may not have time, but this post was perfect. Completely agree. Waiving Manning might not get it done since he only makes 625K so you send Laughton down who will clear enough plus he would open up a spot in the forward group for Gagner to return. Or my next choice would be waive Schultz. Edit: Laughton might not be enough either he only makes 860K. So Schultz it is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJgoal Posted December 15, 2015 Share Posted December 15, 2015 It would make the most sense to send down a defenseman rather than scratch two, but if you're going to scratch Laughton anyway it makes more sense to get him ice time in LV. I'd consider sending down Laughton and a defenseman, and bringing McDonald, Straka, or Cousins up to replace Raffl or VDV. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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