flyercanuck Posted August 29, 2016 Share Posted August 29, 2016 @AJ Muck you too! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RJ8812 Posted August 29, 2016 Share Posted August 29, 2016 4 hours ago, brelic said: I just realized this morning that we've all been completely forgetting Lyubimov. Who? Exactly. He signed a two-way deal but I would be SHOCKED if this dude left the KHL making millions to come and play on a farm team for peanuts and riding buses. He's a LW, btw. This is what Hexy had to say about Lyubimov at the time they signed him: Sooo many bottom six players. Who gets pushed out? Read? Laughton? Cousins? I would be one of those three... I don't even think Weal is part of the equation, honestly. VandeVelde is also missing from your lineup above. We're a team of grinders lol. Lyubimov doesn't have big numbers in the KHL. I would suspect he is more of a 4th liner who can hopefully kill penalties. I remember him doing an interview saying he'd be ok with spending some time in the AHL to get used to North American hockey. If he can play solid defensively and kill penalties, then the's a solid acquisition in my mind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Knut Posted August 29, 2016 Share Posted August 29, 2016 On August 26, 2016 at 3:48 AM, LegionOfDoom said: It's "not in the game" anymore....PowerPlay 96' on Saturn for the win. NHL 2K series was fun as well. EA's NHL 92 and up on Genesis took up alot of peoples lives. I scored 200 points with Lindros one season. That was a fun week. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Podein25 Posted August 30, 2016 Share Posted August 30, 2016 8 hours ago, brelic said: Muckers? As a life long mucker with a career +82, I like the term. I just don't think guys like Read can even be good muckers. In fact, Read is looking like a classic tweener which, of course, means he can't muck worth a crap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LegionOfDoom Posted August 30, 2016 Author Share Posted August 30, 2016 The original muckers.... ...yup that's Einstein on the left...who'd a thunk... the original Electric Boogaloo, and now the predecessors...we got an abundance of riches comin' up...can you diggit... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlaskaFlyerFan Posted August 30, 2016 Share Posted August 30, 2016 7 hours ago, Podein25 said: As a life long mucker with a career +82, I like the term. I just don't think guys like Read can even be good muckers. In fact, Read is looking like a classic tweener which, of course, means he can't muck worth a crap. Is this a classic example of "statistically inaccurate" plus/minus? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brelic Posted August 30, 2016 Share Posted August 30, 2016 @AJgoal @Podein25 Well, if they're not muckers and grinders, what are they? It's a group of largely bottom six players. I'd say we have four true top six players: Giroux, Voracek, Simmonds, Schenn. Couturier is not there yet. I mean, he kind of is by default it seems, but 11 goals and 39 points seems low for a 2C. He was definitely finding a groove last season, especially with Schenn, so there's hope he can take his game to the next level. I'd love to see a young guy show some real promise as a goal scorer - Aube-Kubel, Lindblom, Wade Allison, Konecny. Camp will be interesting this year, and so will the Phantoms! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyercanuck Posted August 30, 2016 Share Posted August 30, 2016 12 minutes ago, brelic said: @AJgoal @Podein25 Well, if they're not muckers and grinders, what are they? It's a group of largely bottom six players. I'd say we have four true top six players: Giroux, Voracek, Simmonds, Schenn. Couturier is not there yet. I mean, he kind of is by default it seems, but 11 goals and 39 points seems low for a 2C. He was definitely finding a groove last season, especially with Schenn, so there's hope he can take his game to the next level. I'd love to see a young guy show some real promise as a goal scorer - Aube-Kubel, Lindblom, Wade Allison, Konecny. Camp will be interesting this year, and so will the Phantoms! At least Hextall has our prospect pool more than respectable. You need that with a salary cap. Holmgren liked to keep it in the 25-30 range with an inferior farm team...whatever sense that made. The Phantoms should get better each year, and with that, the Flyers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Podein25 Posted August 30, 2016 Share Posted August 30, 2016 7 hours ago, AlaskaFlyerFan said: Is this a classic example of "statistically inaccurate" plus/minus? Yes, it is. 5 hours ago, brelic said: Well, if they're not muckers and grinders, what are they? Lousy? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJgoal Posted August 30, 2016 Share Posted August 30, 2016 6 hours ago, brelic said: @AJgoal @Podein25 Well, if they're not muckers and grinders, what are they? It's a group of largely bottom six players. I'd say we have four true top six players: Giroux, Voracek, Simmonds, Schenn. Couturier is not there yet. I mean, he kind of is by default it seems, but 11 goals and 39 points seems low for a 2C. He was definitely finding a groove last season, especially with Schenn, so there's hope he can take his game to the next level. I'd love to see a young guy show some real promise as a goal scorer - Aube-Kubel, Lindblom, Wade Allison, Konecny. Camp will be interesting this year, and so will the Phantoms! I suppose I should have thrown some sort of in there. I'd love to see some of the defensive responsibilities taken off of Couturier and see if he can produce in the 50-55 point range over a full season (though he was trending that way last year). Some will depend on his linemates. I don't know about this year, but next year I think we'll see Konecny, and maybe Lindblom at some point. That should really help the middle six. Of course, if Laughton adjusts to the wing and starts scoring more regularly, that's huge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hf101 Posted August 30, 2016 Share Posted August 30, 2016 57 minutes ago, AJgoal said: I'd love to see some of the defensive responsibilities taken off of Couturier and see if he can produce in the 50-55 point range over a full season (though he was trending that way last year). Some will depend on his linemates. I don't know about this year, but next year I think we'll see Konecny, and maybe Lindblom at some point. That should really help the middle six. Of course, if Laughton adjusts to the wing and starts scoring more regularly, that's huge. I'd love to see Couturier keep his defensive responsibilities and score 50-55 point range over a course of a season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJgoal Posted August 30, 2016 Share Posted August 30, 2016 7 minutes ago, hf101 said: I'd love to see Couturier keep his defensive responsibilities and score 50-55 point range over a course of a season. I've never been fond of the idea of the 2nd line pulling defensive duties. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hf101 Posted August 30, 2016 Share Posted August 30, 2016 52 minutes ago, AJgoal said: I've never been fond of the idea of the 2nd line pulling defensive duties. That's because Couturier is a 3rd line center . jk To put this in a perspective... why can't he continue playing as is a 2nd unit pp, a 2nd unit pk and a 2nd line 5 on 5... and just score 1 more goal or assist per week than he currently does? Ice time isn't the issue here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJgoal Posted August 30, 2016 Share Posted August 30, 2016 Just now, hf101 said: That's because Couturier is a 3rd line center . jk To put this in a perspective... why can't he continue playing as is a 2nd unit pp, a 2nd unit pk and a 2nd line 5 on 5... and just score 1 more goal or assist per week than he currently does? Ice time isn't the issue here. I think it's pretty likely he will. He's followed a pretty steady upward trend. Couturier Left, Schenn right. X axis is age. To put it in perspective, if Couturier's production follows his trend, it will be in the points neighborhood of Schenn last season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OccamsRazor Posted October 5, 2016 Share Posted October 5, 2016 BUMP!!!!! As of now from what i have seen it is safe to say Provorov has made the Flyer's lineup. Just a little info on the subject and his effect on the team: Through four preseason games, the Flyers have 58.88% of the total shot attempts at 5-on-5 with Provorov on the ice. With him on the bench? They’re below the break-even point, at 49.71 percent. That’s a +9.17% Corsi Relative to his teammates, providing even more evidence to support the assertion that Provorov simply makes the Flyers better when he takes his regular shift ... Pretty impressive i say. I don't care who you sit/waive....it will be between Mcdud, Schultz, Manning or Streit but Provy needs to play. He is ready. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jammer2 Posted October 5, 2016 Share Posted October 5, 2016 You're all mother muckers!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jammer2 Posted October 5, 2016 Share Posted October 5, 2016 On 8/30/2016 at 2:48 PM, AJgoal said: I'd love to see some of the defensive responsibilities taken off of Couturier and see if he can produce in the 50-55 point range over a full season (though he was trending that way last year). I'm thinking the addition of Boyd Gordon will take a lot of the defensive zone face offs off Cooter's plate. This is the year where we find out if he's a true 2nd line center or just the guy who plays on the 2nd line cause nobody else is stepping up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OccamsRazor Posted October 5, 2016 Share Posted October 5, 2016 On defenseman on the list...................interesting.......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyercanuck Posted October 5, 2016 Share Posted October 5, 2016 7 minutes ago, OccamsRazor said: On defenseman on the list...................interesting.......... I really don't see Provorov getting the pp time that he'd need to win a Calder...especially over that forward group. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OccamsRazor Posted October 5, 2016 Share Posted October 5, 2016 11 minutes ago, flyercanuck said: I really don't see Provorov getting the pp time that he'd need to win a Calder...especially over that forward group. I agree and that is a stacked group to compete against....and we seen last year the stats Ghost posted yet it seemed like he didn't stand a chance so i can't see Provy putting up numbers like that again more so because he is a all around Dman instead of an offensive specialist....and this isn't to knock on anyone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaGreatGazoo Posted October 5, 2016 Share Posted October 5, 2016 1 hour ago, OccamsRazor said: BUMP!!!!! As of now from what i have seen it is safe to say Provorov has made the Flyer's lineup. Just a little info on the subject and his effect on the team: Through four preseason games, the Flyers have 58.88% of the total shot attempts at 5-on-5 with Provorov on the ice. With him on the bench? They’re below the break-even point, at 49.71 percent. That’s a +9.17% Corsi Relative to his teammates, providing even more evidence to support the assertion that Provorov simply makes the Flyers better when he takes his regular shift ... Pretty impressive i say. I don't care who you sit/waive....it will between Mcdud, Schultz, Manning or Streit but Provy needs to play. He is ready. I posted in the shoutbox yesterday that I don't see how Hextall keeps this kid off the Flyers. Yeah, he's 19, yeah, he likes to "overcook" prospects, but Provy has done EVERYTHING they have asked of him, and done it well. If Hextall meant what he said about making it work if a kid shows he belongs, I think Provorov has done just that--now he needs to figure out how to make it happen. The easy answer is just send Andrew M down...but he's actually played pretty well in preseason. Manning probably gets picked up if he goes through waivers. Schultz? He seems to be a Hakstol favorite right now. Trade? Probably too early in the season for that... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OccamsRazor Posted October 5, 2016 Share Posted October 5, 2016 1 minute ago, DaGreatGazoo said: I posted in the shoutbox yesterday that I don't see how Hextall keeps this kid off the Flyers. Yeah, he's 19, yeah, he likes to "overcook" prospects, but Provy has done EVERYTHING they have asked of him, and done it well. Exactly i'd have to wonder if he didn't make what kind of negative impact it could have. The kids could think "Damn as well as he has played if he don't have a chance then i never will......" ....but if he does then they could say "Hey that could be me if i work hard and put forth the effort and then show them in camp and preseason........." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OccamsRazor Posted October 5, 2016 Share Posted October 5, 2016 8 minutes ago, DaGreatGazoo said: Manning probably gets picked up if he goes through waivers. I'm sorry but Flyers/Phantoms wouldn't miss a beat.....sorry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJgoal Posted October 5, 2016 Share Posted October 5, 2016 I didn't think Provorov would play this season, but it sure seems like he will. Konecny too. Hextall said last year that he didn't like disrupting a guy's ability to gel with his Junior team, sending those two and Sanheim down early (he did keep Morin until the end of camp the year before, but it ended Oct 3 that year). I think the only question for the Flyers at this point is whether they believe the two can play a full season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brelic Posted October 5, 2016 Share Posted October 5, 2016 Just now, AJgoal said: I didn't think Provorov would play this season, but it sure seems like he will. Konecny too. Hextall said last year that he didn't like disrupting a guy's ability to gel with his Junior team, sending those two and Sanheim down early (he did keep Morin until the end of camp the year before, but it ended Oct 3 that year). I think the only question for the Flyers at this point is whether they believe the two can play a full season. I think Hextall and Hakstol are doing everything they can to have Provorov and Konecny prove they can do it. Prov is logging 25+ minutes a night, playing in all situations. He's getting a full shot at proving he belongs, and I'd say he's shown that so far. Konecny is getting the same treatment - playing in the top six, often the top line. Getting PP time. And he's also showing he belongs. Bottom line is that the team is way more exciting and dynamic with those guys in the lineup - I think Hex and Hak are trying to figure out whether they are ready to do it for 82+ games at the NHL level. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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