vis Posted June 30, 2017 Author Share Posted June 30, 2017 @OccamsRazor It's not the term that bothers me. Although, I think the younger guys may not be ready until closer to four, if not five, years from now. Not that I am saying they should have signed him to a longer deal... What bothers me is the player. Elliott does not make this team better. The goaltending will be worse, on balance, than it was last year. And this will make things even more difficult for a young defense. Not going to be pretty. I know the UFA market was crap. But, is this really it? Brian Elliott? Did Hextall even test the trade route? He could have worked a deal through VGK for one of the unprotected goaltenders if he couldn't get one directly. He could have approached VGK after the draft about Raanta. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jammer2 Posted June 30, 2017 Share Posted June 30, 2017 36 minutes ago, vis said: I know the UFA market was crap. But, is this really it? Brian Elliott? Did Hextall even test the trade route? He could have worked a deal through VGK for one of the unprotected goaltenders if he couldn't get one directly. He could have approached VGK after the draft about Raanta. Brian was ok in his late twenties, but the last few seasons have been iffy. He never did put a stranglehold on the Blues job, despite many, many chances. Allen only rose to prominence after Elliott failed many times, or so it seemed. If you can't prosper on a Blues team totally geared towards defense, coached by Hitch, who preached back checking and defensive tightness, where can you thrive? Hell yeah, a slightly outside the box thought pattern was needed here. Make a play for Raanta, make a RFA play for Grubauer, but this tandem, is THIS how you want your kids to enter into the NHL, where a LOT of mistakes end up in the back of your net? This has the makings of a clusterF***. I can't even imagine how Elliott will be at 35....LMAO! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlaskaFlyerFan Posted June 30, 2017 Share Posted June 30, 2017 2 minutes ago, jammer2 said: Brian was ok in his late twenties, but the last few seasons have been iffy. He never did put a stranglehold on the Blues job, despite many, many chances. Allen only rose to prominence after Elliott failed many times, or so it seemed. If you can't prosper on a Blues team totally geared towards defense, coached by Hitch, who preached back checking and defensive tightness, where can you thrive? Hell yeah, a slightly outside the box thought pattern was needed here. Make a play for Raanta, make a RFA play for Grubauer, but this tandem, is THIS how you want your kids to enter into the NHL, where a LOT of mistakes end up in the back of your net? This has the makings of a clusterF***. I can't even imagine how Elliott will be at 35....LMAO! I somewhat disagree. I thought Elliott played well for the Blues his last two years there. Stats wise there was not much difference between him and Allen in the 14-15 season, but Elliott was the better goalie in the 15-16 season. That's why the Flames traded for him. Elliott is a little streaky and is the reason he platooned with Allen. I attribute his stats drop off to the fact he didn't have the same caliber defense in front of him when he got to Calgary. His win/loss record was virtually the same as in St. Louis. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
murraycraven Posted June 30, 2017 Share Posted June 30, 2017 Elliot wants to be in PHILADELPHIA to play being that stalwart McDud. McDud and a few rookies.... What can go wrong? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyercanuck Posted June 30, 2017 Share Posted June 30, 2017 Not sure I want Elliot for 3 years. Ok, I'm sure I don't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJgoal Posted June 30, 2017 Share Posted June 30, 2017 Just now, flyercanuck said: Not sure I want Elliot for 3 years. Ok, I'm sure I don't. Strangely, it's not that third year I'm worried about. It's the first two. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobbyClarkeFan16 Posted June 30, 2017 Share Posted June 30, 2017 I'm not worried about Elliott at all. He's played behind a young defense before in St.Louis, so the good thing is that he can direct the young guys where they need to be on the ice. He's going to help the young defensemen in terms of positioning and having him back there is like having another coach on the ice. Ascfor his year in Calgary, he admitted that the year started rough because the defense were all veterans and he didn't want to speak out of turn in terms of where they should he on the ice. Once Elliott became more vocal, the team responded and everyone started playing better. This is a good move. The Flyers needed sometime back there wry can handle things mentally and not throw people under a bus, especially young defensemen that will be prone to making mistakes. Mason has always been a me first guy and has always blamed others when things go wrong. You win as a team and lose as a team. Mason just never grasped that. Good goalie, bad attitude. And think of it, if Hextall wanted to re-sign Mason he would have been resigned. So there's more to what's going on here than just letting Mason walk. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
murraycraven Posted June 30, 2017 Share Posted June 30, 2017 6 minutes ago, BobbyClarkeFan16 said: Ascfor his year in Calgary, he admitted that the year started rough because the defense were all veterans and he didn't want to speak out of turn in terms of where they should he on the ice Sorry, but you must have been watching a different Elliot. He had a terrible start and then when on a little run. He is a streaky goalie and then was absolutely horrendous in the playoffs. He nearly was the sole reason for that series. An .880 save percentage? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OccamsRazor Posted June 30, 2017 Share Posted June 30, 2017 51 minutes ago, murraycraven said: He is a streaky goalie and then was absolutely horrendous in the playoffs. He is waaaaay better than this dude... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Rick Posted June 30, 2017 Share Posted June 30, 2017 Somebody is bound to grab Radulov Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyercanuck Posted June 30, 2017 Share Posted June 30, 2017 49 minutes ago, Hockey Junkie said: Somebody is bound to grab Radulov Buffalo? Radulov on a long term guaranteed contract...what could possibly go wrong? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OccamsRazor Posted June 30, 2017 Share Posted June 30, 2017 28 minutes ago, flyercanuck said: Buffalo? Radulov on a long term guaranteed contract...what could possibly go wrong? The Cup is theirs!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Rick Posted June 30, 2017 Share Posted June 30, 2017 1 hour ago, flyercanuck said: Buffalo? Radulov on a long term guaranteed contract...what could possibly go wrong? Sniper type. Lazy. Does not know what back check means Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyercanuck Posted June 30, 2017 Share Posted June 30, 2017 7 minutes ago, Hockey Junkie said: Sniper type. Lazy. Does not know what back check means Ya. I wouldn't touch him with a 10 metre pole. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJgoal Posted June 30, 2017 Share Posted June 30, 2017 I'm not sure if I like the concept of Williams coming in. Good vet presence, and a good goal scorer, but you'd be flipping Konecny back to his off left wing. You'd also have to move someone out if your intention is to bring up Laughton and Lindblom full time. This is the move that would block a young guy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jammer2 Posted June 30, 2017 Share Posted June 30, 2017 20 hours ago, AlaskaFlyerFan said: I somewhat disagree. I thought Elliott played well for the Blues his last two years there. Stats wise there was not much difference between him and Allen in the 14-15 season, but Elliott was the better goalie in the 15-16 season. That's why the Flames traded for him. Elliott is a little streaky and is the reason he platooned with Allen. I attribute his stats drop off to the fact he didn't have the same caliber defense in front of him when he got to Calgary. His win/loss record was virtually the same as in St. Louis. I dunno. St.Louis played a WAY more disciplined game than the Flyers. Calgary had a better defense than St.Louis did in my opinion. He's coming to a team that will someday be better than both of those teams on defense, but really young and the vets are McDonald and Gudas...I like Gudas, but he's not quick. They are gonna have some real defensive zone coverage problems. Put me down for a .911 save percentage from Elliott next year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jammer2 Posted June 30, 2017 Share Posted June 30, 2017 6 hours ago, OccamsRazor said: The Cup is theirs!!!!! I just did a Google search on Buffalo Sabres Stanley Cup route and NOTHING CAME UP!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jammer2 Posted June 30, 2017 Share Posted June 30, 2017 5 hours ago, AJgoal said: I'm not sure if I like the concept of Williams coming in. Good vet presence, and a good goal scorer, but you'd be flipping Konecny back to his off left wing. You'd also have to move someone out if your intention is to bring up Laughton and Lindblom full time. This is the move that would block a young guy. UGHHHHHH.....Hexy is to smart for this, no??? He's the type of veteran guy you add to a team that is REAL CLOSE to winning it all. He WOULD block kids and take away playing time from them. Plus, another bottom 6 guy who would be getting overpaid. This is a Homer type of shiny new thing....hopefully not something Hexy would consider. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FD19372 Posted June 30, 2017 Share Posted June 30, 2017 5 hours ago, AJgoal said: I'm not sure if I like the concept of Williams coming in. Good vet presence, and a good goal scorer, but you'd be flipping Konecny back to his off left wing. You'd also have to move someone out if your intention is to bring up Laughton and Lindblom full time. This is the move that would block a young guy. Should could woulda. Leave him alone, and trade for someone in their 20s who can put the puck in the net. No more ex-Flyers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pilldoc Posted July 1, 2017 Share Posted July 1, 2017 Loved Justin Williams when he was here. Hated to see him go and always wished he would come back. However, this ship has sailed ..... agree with all above. Do NOT sign him. Time to move forward with the young kids .... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FD19372 Posted July 1, 2017 Share Posted July 1, 2017 Just now, pilldoc said: Loved Justin Williams when he was here. Hated to see him go and always wished he would come back. However, this ship has sailed ..... agree with all above. Do NOT sign him. Time to move forward with the young kids .... If you're going to do that, just throw a bunch of cash at Radulov for a short-term, low-risk deal of some kind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlaskaFlyerFan Posted July 1, 2017 Share Posted July 1, 2017 21 minutes ago, jammer2 said: Calgary had a better defense than St.Louis did in my opinion. No way! Here is the St Louis Defense from the 15-16 season: 61 Andre Benoit 41 Robert Bortuzzo 19 Jay Bouwmeester 25 Chris Butler 6 Joel Edmundson 4 Carl Gunnarsson 48 Petteri Lindbohm 55 Colton Parayko 27 Alex Pietrangelo 22 Kevin Shattenkirk And here is the Calgary Defense from last season: 54 Rasmus Andersson 44 Matt Bartkowski 7 T.J. Brodie 29 Deryk Engelland 5 Mark Giordano (C) 8 Nicklas Grossmann 27 Dougie Hamilton 3 Jyrki Jokipakka 61 Brett Kulak 26 Michael Stone 6 Dennis Wideman 26 Tyler Wotherspoon They don't even compare. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jammer2 Posted July 1, 2017 Share Posted July 1, 2017 Maybe it is just me, but I've never been a huge fan of Bouwmeester. He's a classic puck lugger who does that well, but that is it. Very limited offense and lacks vision. St.Louis has the edge with the top 3, Payarko, Shatts and Pieteranglo, but the depth part goes to Calgary for my money. Pieterango has never lived up to expectations, and even Shatts is tad overvalued. I'm a big fan of Payarko. Give me a top 5 of Gio, Brodie, Hamilton, Wideman and Stone anyday. I do think Wideman is moving out of his prime, but Stone is one of the the most underrated d men in the league. I like Bartkowski more than any of the St.Louis depth guys also. I would trade that Blues defense for the Flames in a second. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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