OccamsRazor Posted November 28, 2018 Share Posted November 28, 2018 12 minutes ago, murraycraven said: Yet. It's coming has to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
murraycraven Posted November 28, 2018 Share Posted November 28, 2018 30 minutes ago, OccamsRazor said: All i am telling you now (you heard it here first)...........Mark Hunter!!!! Check him out!!! The new lead and i like this one. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_Hunter_(ice_hockey) Outside of Marner and Matthews he has not been all that good in the draft. He gets no credit for Matthews b/c anyone with an ounce of hockey intelligence would have made that pick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mojo1917 Posted November 28, 2018 Share Posted November 28, 2018 Surprised by Chris Pryor- I think he's been a pretty decent assessor of talent. These moves really smack of eradicating the "Hextall stench" from the organization though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
murraycraven Posted November 28, 2018 Share Posted November 28, 2018 I know hockey players aren't the smartest as I am one of them but why they hell would you be shocked with all the **** going on? Carchidi:“#Flyers locker room stunned by Murphy firing. You can here a pin drop in here.”Also Giroux led a players only discussion on the ice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
murraycraven Posted November 28, 2018 Share Posted November 28, 2018 this all feels like the Eagles trying to get everything chip kelly did out of the organization. interesting... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJgoal Posted November 28, 2018 Share Posted November 28, 2018 Pryor did a real good job with the scouting department. Losing him could hurt this franchise for a while. I know he hasn't been the head of scouting for a couple years, but I'm sure he was still involved. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OccamsRazor Posted November 28, 2018 Share Posted November 28, 2018 17 minutes ago, murraycraven said: Outside of Marner and Matthews he has not been all that good in the draft. He gets no credit for Matthews b/c anyone with an ounce of hockey intelligence would have made that pick Well he was more of the director of player personnel Dumbas was doing most of the selecting after Nonis left. Then Lou come in to get involved. Hunter can return them to the tougher grittier days. Is a big guy even in Marner's words of helping turn him around and make him the player he is today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darthbal Posted November 28, 2018 Share Posted November 28, 2018 Would Kjell Samuelsson be a better replacement for Murphy? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mojo1917 Posted November 28, 2018 Share Posted November 28, 2018 13 minutes ago, murraycraven said: I know hockey players aren't the smartest as I am one of them but why they hell would you be shocked with all the **** going on? Carchidi:“#Flyers locker room stunned by Murphy firing. You can here a pin drop in here.”Also Giroux led a players only discussion on the ice. Well, having gone through huge corporate shake ups a few times in my career; even when you know its coming, if its someone you like getting the axe... it's tough to deal with all of the emotions, you are relieved it wasn't you, sad for your buddy, mad at the powers that be, maybe the young guys totally don't know how to act anyway... maybe sad that it wasn't you because you hated it there... so maybe shocked isn't the best word the writer could have chosen ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
murraycraven Posted November 28, 2018 Share Posted November 28, 2018 1 minute ago, OccamsRazor said: Well he was more of the director of player personnel Dumbas was doing most of the selecting after Nonis left. Then Lou come in to get involved. Hunter can return them to the tougher grittier days. Is a big guy even in Marner's words of helping turn him around and make him the player he is today. Gotcha... thanks. Was just going off of memory. Not that I would not want Hunter... much rather have Hunter or Zito over Fletcher / Francis. I want no parts honestly of either of those guys... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
murraycraven Posted November 28, 2018 Share Posted November 28, 2018 4 minutes ago, mojo1917 said: Well, having gone through huge corporate shake ups a few times in my career; even when you know its coming, if its someone you like getting the axe... it's tough to deal with all of the emotions, you are relieved it wasn't you, sad for your buddy, mad at the powers that be, maybe the young guys totally don't know how to act anyway... maybe sad that it wasn't you because you hated it there... so maybe shocked isn't the best word the writer could have chosen ? I have been through it more that I would like to ... and I just had to lay off a bunch so I get it. But, it's not like these guys on the roster are exactly doing a good job. Based on the prior 2 days and one ****** hockey game last night I find it hard to believe they were shocked which was my phrasing. "Stunned" to me makes it sound like they didn't think changes were coming which is nonsensical at best. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OccamsRazor Posted November 28, 2018 Share Posted November 28, 2018 10 minutes ago, murraycraven said: I have been through it more that I would like to ... and I just had to lay off a bunch so I get it. But, it's not like these guys on the roster are exactly doing a good job. Based on the prior 2 days and one ****** hockey game last night I find it hard to believe they were shocked which was my phrasing. "Stunned" to me makes it sound like they didn't think changes were coming which is nonsensical at best. Yes. They shat the bed last night and after Ron got canned had to be fools if they didn't think there wouldn't be repercussions. And it ain't over....in fact when all is said and done i expect a completely new staff. It's what is needed i'm sorry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
intheslot Posted November 28, 2018 Share Posted November 28, 2018 To me the real reason for this move at this time is business: fan apathy, many empty seats, lots of "paper", and thousands of three figure priced tickets available on StubHub for $20 or even less for a team that used to announce 20,000+ SRO crowds on Arenavision during every game. There have not been crowd figures announced for a long time now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mojo1917 Posted November 28, 2018 Share Posted November 28, 2018 @OccamsRazor I don't think they're fools. Knowing changes are happening... doesn't change the fact that going through "them" isn't easy and doesn't make for a "light & easy" atmosphere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OccamsRazor Posted November 28, 2018 Share Posted November 28, 2018 1 minute ago, mojo1917 said: @OccamsRazor I don't think they're fools. Knowing changes are happening... doesn't change the fact that going through "them" isn't easy and doesn't make for a "light & easy" atmosphere. Sure i have been through them. It's their fault. They have to live with it. No one can fix it but them. I don't feel sorry for millionaires being held accountable....at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ruxpin Posted November 28, 2018 Share Posted November 28, 2018 1 hour ago, intheslot said: Meltzer.... Today on the Athletic, veteran hockey journalist Pierre Lebrun wrote that the Flyers list of potential general manager candidates has been whittled down to four. According to Lebrun, former longtime Minnesota Wild general manager Chuck Fletcher is the apparent front-runner. Lebrun said others in field of candidates may include current Buffalo Sabres assistant general manager Steve Greeley, current Columbus Blue Jackets assistant GM Bill Zito, former Toronto Maple Leafs executive Mark Hunter and former Carolina Hurricanes general manager and hockey operations manager (as well as Hockey Hall of Fame inductee as a player) Ron Francis. Any of these men are viable candidates. Fletcher, the son of longtime hockey executive Cliff Fletcher, and Zito are two prospective names with a lot of similarities in their potential not only to direct hockey ops strategy and contractual interactions with agents but also to speak the language of the corporate side. That would, no doubt, be appealing to Comcast Spectacor. Fletcher is a Harvard graduate. Zito is a Yale graduate. Fletcher is a former agent. Many years ago, he worked for Don Meehan's high-powered Newport Sports Management group. Zito is a former agent who headed his own agency; at the time he switched from the player representation side to the NHL team executive side, his group had the 6th-largest client base (include longtime Flyers defenseman Kimmo Timonen among other ex-Flyers). In the past, Fletcher worked for Hockey Canada as a sales and marketing coordinator. More recently, Zito worked with USA Hockey, as an assistant GM of teams that won two bronze medals. Behind the scenes it was Zito who convinced Patrick Kane to play for Team USA at the 2018 World Championships; no small feat. Kane took tournament MVP honors for the bronze medalists. Both Fletcher and Zito have experience in the amateur scouting/player development realm. Fletcher was Director of Hockey Operations, assistant general manager, and vice president of Amateur Scouting/Player Development for the Anaheim Ducks from 2002–06. Zito currently works heavily as the right hand man to Columbus general manager Jarmo Kekäläinen (who is widely regarded as as elite-caliber amateur scouting mind) among his duties. Of the two, Fletcher has more extensive NHL front office experience. He was an assistant GM to Bob Clarke during the Florida Panthers' first season (1993-94) and stayed on in that post until 2002 when he went to Anaheim. Fletcher then spent three years as Pittsburgh Penguins assistant general manager Ray Shero. He finally got his opportunity to become an NHL general manager when he became the Wild's head GM (hired on May 21, 2009 and dismissed on April 23 of the same year). Zito stayed on the agent side of the business for much longer than Fletcher but reportedly always had interest in eventually "changing sides" to the team executive side. He was handpicked by Columbus team president John Davidson and general manager Kekäläinen for the assistant GM role. Zito was involved in the process that brought Artemi Panarin to the Blue Jackets. He was also appointed general manager of the AHL's Cleveland Monsters, building the team that won the Calder Cup in 2015-16 and set a league record for playoff winning percentage that season. Many of the team's players and coaches are now in the NHL. The other candidates that Lebrun named all have their own pedigrees that would make them viable candidates. For example, Francis' name would carry the most instantly recognizable cache among even casual hockey followers. Greeley is another bright guy who is well versed on both the old-school and analytics-based approaches. Appearing on Jason Myrtetus' podcast yesterday, Paul Holmgren said that he wants someone who will incorporate well-reasoned long-term strategy (which was certainly a strength of Ron Hextall) along with a boldness to make moves geared toward sparking the current team as well as embracing areas such as analytics. Those latter two areas were not strengths of Hexy's, or least not big parts of his focus. I do not know how strong Fletcher is on the analytics end, but I know that Zito is well-versed in that facet as is Greeley. Whomever the Flyers decide upon -- and all of these candidates are strong enough to deserve short-list consideration -- it needs to be done soon. It is untenable and unfair for Dave Hakstol to be left twisting in the wind and the struggling team to have to deal with the constant bombardment of GM-related questions if the process drags on for very long. Lebrun is very well-connected, so if he says Fletcher is the apparent front-runner that is likely the case. However, before that decision gets finalized (if that is, indeed, how the Flyers are leaning), I would just hope that all of the names he listed get their opportunity to interview in person with Homer and David Scott to lay out their vision for taking the team forward as well as to highlight their credentials in a more personal way than the resume-like on-paper stuff I cited above. That's where things like passion, personality and likelihood of having strong working relations not only within hockey ops but also across the entire brand (C-levels, marketing, PR, sales, etc) as well as the public, the media, the Alumni, corporate sponsors and others come into a clearer light. If Fletcher is viewed as the front runner on the resume side and checks all of these boxes as well, then it would be a wise choice. If someone else checks all or most of the boxes, go that way. Just don't have the outcome predetermined within two days of the decision to let Hexy go. Each and every candidate will take the team in a little bit of a different direction, according to his vision. So each and every vision should be discussed thoroughly and the one with the clearest vision that is specific to this current roster and farm system should get the job. Under no circumstance would Fletcher or Francis be a wise choice. And Francis would be more of exactly what got Hextall fired. I don't get it. Why oh why is Holmgren in charge of ANYTHING? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OccamsRazor Posted November 28, 2018 Share Posted November 28, 2018 I know great players don't always make great coaches. Just see the Great One. But one that i think would and would love to seen given a shot is Kimmo Timonen to take Murphy's spot. Wonder if they would think about that one...if Kimmo is interested of course. Just kicking the can down the road. #warrior Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mojo1917 Posted November 28, 2018 Share Posted November 28, 2018 5 minutes ago, OccamsRazor said: I don't feel sorry for millionaires being held accountable....at all. no one is saying you need to feel sorry for them. i'm simply stating it's not easy to navigate situations like the one the Flyers currently find themselves in. i am almost sorry i made a comment about this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Podein25 Posted November 28, 2018 Share Posted November 28, 2018 5 minutes ago, mojo1917 said: no one is saying you need to feel sorry for them. i'm simply stating it's not easy to navigate situations like the one the Flyers currently find themselves in. i am almost sorry i made a comment about this. So much Canadianness going around. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OccamsRazor Posted November 28, 2018 Share Posted November 28, 2018 6 minutes ago, mojo1917 said: no one is saying you need to feel sorry for them. i'm simply stating it's not easy to navigate situations like the one the Flyers currently find themselves in. i am almost sorry i made a comment about this. No need to be sorry, it is part of the business maybe it helps them look in the mirror and stop the bleeding then again if they were one of the ones when they get to their next destination it can maybe motivate and be used to propel them to a better future. I went through this 4 years ago with my wife still out of work from having my daughter...but i got on my horse found the job i have now which i love and would do it over again a million times because it was a good thing helped me leave a job i wasn't happy with and yet wouldn't leave. Something i have actually went through 4 years earlier when i was relatively new there and that time it saved my job because it wasn't seniority based layoff it was performance. So things in life that happen that at first could be perceived as negative at first, can be used as a positive motivation tool if you channel it right. Sometimes God bless the broken. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mojo1917 Posted November 28, 2018 Share Posted November 28, 2018 14 minutes ago, Podein25 said: So much Canadianness going around. I'm preparing for when i emigrate, i want to be able to contribute to society right away Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Podein25 Posted November 28, 2018 Share Posted November 28, 2018 6 minutes ago, mojo1917 said: I'm preparing for when i emigrate, i want to be able to contribute to society right away You're half way there with the "sorries" - it's truly an amazing thing. Mrs P and I were at the supermarket the other day, the one near the university, and so there were a ton of Asian students (Chinese, Korean) there. And all you heard was "sorry" - it's literally the first thing they learn. I don't know whether to be proud or worried: it could be the thing that saves us, or it could be our downfall, when you guys come for our water and chicks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brelic Posted November 28, 2018 Share Posted November 28, 2018 9 minutes ago, mojo1917 said: I'm preparing for when i emigrate, i want to be able to contribute to society right away Just avoid 4-way stops and you'll be ok. We're so polite, it ends up basically being just 4 parked cars. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Knut Posted November 28, 2018 Share Posted November 28, 2018 1 hour ago, albertaflyer said: Murphy was Hextall's hire. Seems anyone that Hextall put in place is gone. Except Hakstol and Knoblach. I think Lappy's the only guy Hextall didn't hire behind the bench. I can understand the asst. gm, and Believe me, Murphy left a great deal to be desired. I'm glad he's gone... but to have no replacement and ONLY replace him is just odd. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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