flyercanuck Posted June 30, 2023 Share Posted June 30, 2023 2 hours ago, CoachX said: im starting to hyperventilate, are they keeping Laughton? This just in.... 1 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ruxpin Posted June 30, 2023 Share Posted June 30, 2023 21 hours ago, hmc687 said: A mid-late 1st rounder is not the equivalent of an established solid (to great) 3C whose a great lockerroom presence on a cost-controlled contract. Who are you referring to as solid to great? I was kind of with you until here but I got lost on who was solid/great. Laughton? I'll give you solid. But I'm not positive that's who's being referred to. Yeah, there's certainly a risk trading everyone of any value for what amounts to lottery tickets. You have to keep some stability while in transition. I agree. Laughton is an example of someone I'm hesitant on. The guy isn't great. But he's steady and can move around the lineup as needed. If you're trying to model work ethic, he's a decent example. If you're NOT trading some of the others I'd consider trading Laughton. But you have to keep someone or you get end up with a prolonged swim in the swamp. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pilldoc Posted June 30, 2023 Share Posted June 30, 2023 1 hour ago, flyercanuck said: This just in.... try to give @CoachX a stroke.. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OccamsRazor Posted June 30, 2023 Author Share Posted June 30, 2023 They're not going to just give player away now that will have value come the trade deadline no need to sweat 2023-24. Still a development year the roster will be fluid i expect i know many says this but i believe them this year. If they can turn Sanheim into a serviceable #4 there is hope for him. He really needs to see the wizard for some nuts so bad. I hope he visit him this summer. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
radoran Posted June 30, 2023 Share Posted June 30, 2023 4 hours ago, GrittyForever said: There's a ton of FA jags that will be floating around after tomorrow. I too expect we add a few mediocre stiffs for short terms. Dale Weiss and... Who was that other guy? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoachX Posted June 30, 2023 Share Posted June 30, 2023 3 hours ago, flyercanuck said: This just in.... Rude! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrittyForever Posted July 1, 2023 Share Posted July 1, 2023 I don't think you'll see any big trades until after the start of free agency goes by and the good names are gone. When some team doesn't get the guy(s) they want then they will start calling again about guys like Laughton. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobbyClarkeFan16 Posted July 1, 2023 Share Posted July 1, 2023 How much money are the Flyers sitting on right now? It's like $13 million or something. Best thing Briere can do is some young unqualified players to fill roles. For instance, I'd take a shot on Yamamoto. The left side is rather weak and there's no one in Lehigh Valley ready to fill a left wing spot. Yamamoto might be a good reclamation project. I'd also look at a guy like Max Comtois from Anaheim. There's another guy who needed a change of scenery in the worst kind of way. He could move a guy like Deslauriers to the 13th forward spot. In terms of the only other free agent I'd consider, I'd look at a right handed defenseman. Ethan Bear would be ideal, but he's missing the first three months of the season with shoulder surgery. Then he'd have to get into game shape and be acclimated with the team, so you're looking at about four to five months to be effective. No trades and no big name signings. These are all guys that if they rebound, can be flipped at the deadline for draft assets. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OccamsRazor Posted July 1, 2023 Author Share Posted July 1, 2023 Seems someone has informed Foerster he is going to be on the main roster. Has been assigned #18....just noticed. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jammer2 Posted July 1, 2023 Share Posted July 1, 2023 1 hour ago, BobbyClarkeFan16 said: How much money are the Flyers sitting on right now? It's like $13 million or something. Best thing Briere can do is some young unqualified players to fill roles. For instance, I'd take a shot on Yamamoto. The left side is rather weak and there's no one in Lehigh Valley ready to fill a left wing spot. Yamamoto might be a good reclamation project. I'd also look at a guy like Max Comtois from Anaheim. There's another guy who needed a change of scenery in the worst kind of way. He could move a guy like Deslauriers to the 13th forward spot. In terms of the only other free agent I'd consider, I'd look at a right handed defenseman. Ethan Bear would be ideal, but he's missing the first three months of the season with shoulder surgery. Then he'd have to get into game shape and be acclimated with the team, so you're looking at about four to five months to be effective. No trades and no big name signings. These are all guys that if they rebound, can be flipped at the deadline for draft assets. I'd love to see Mason Shaw signed to a 1 year cheap deal. Not tendered by the Wild...decent wheels...hits a ton, underrated scoring from the bottom 6. Max has interesting upside. Think the Ducks mishandled him early and injured a bit also. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hmc687 Posted July 3, 2023 Share Posted July 3, 2023 (edited) On 6/30/2023 at 4:37 PM, ruxpin said: Who are you referring to as solid to great? I was kind of with you until here but I got lost on who was solid/great. Laughton? I'll give you solid. But I'm not positive that's who's being referred to. Yeah, there's certainly a risk trading everyone of any value for what amounts to lottery tickets. You have to keep some stability while in transition. I agree. Laughton is an example of someone I'm hesitant on. The guy isn't great. But he's steady and can move around the lineup as needed. If you're trying to model work ethic, he's a decent example. If you're NOT trading some of the others I'd consider trading Laughton. But you have to keep someone or you get end up with a prolonged swim in the swamp. Laughton is a very solid 3C imho. He brings everything a 3C should bring and apparently is a good lockerroom guy. When we're talking about improving the culture I want those guys to hang around. His contract is affordable, he doesnt get hurt often, and he gets involved in a positive way. Those are qualities I want in my 3C. Could he be bigger and more physical? Sure, but that hasnt made him less effective. The return you would get for SL wont compromise or prevent youngsters from development or ice time in the lineup. Laughton isnt going to block Foerester at 2C nor Brink or Tumala in the Top 6. However, TK WILL. Also, TK will get a far better haul than Laughton. I'm of the opinion Hart is definitely gone and the 2nd rd pick solidified that for me. Edited July 3, 2023 by hmc687 Grammar 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ruxpin Posted July 3, 2023 Share Posted July 3, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, hmc687 said: Laughton is a very solid 3C imho. He brings everything a 3C should bring and apparently is a good lockerroom guy. When we're talking about improving the culture I want those guys to hang around. His contract is affordable, he doesnt get hurt often, and he gets involved in a positive way. Those are qualities I want in my 3C. Could he be bigger and more physical? Sure, but that hasnt made him less effective. The return you would get for SL wont compromise or prevent youngsters from development or ice time in the lineup. Laughton isnt going to block Foerester at 2C nor Brink or Tumala in the Top 6. However, TK WILL. Also, TK will get a far better haul than Laughton. We agree. I paused at "great" because I thought that was several exits too far. But I see him very similarly to your description above. Completely agree about the Tk comment, too. 1 hour ago, hmc687 said: I'm of the opinion Hart is definitely gone and the 2nd rd pick solidified that for me If Fedotov would come over I think it'd be sooner than later. While I think the draft doesn't have to mean that because our goalie cupboard is really low and there's probably more value in the goalie with those picks than with the skaters there (maybe not), I can't see TWO picks in that range without there being some ulterior motives Edited July 3, 2023 by ruxpin I use swipe because my fingers are too dumb for phone keyboards (among issues: hitchhiker thumbs). So occasionally end up with really stupid words in the wrong place and don't notice right away! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jammer2 Posted July 3, 2023 Share Posted July 3, 2023 I few points on the rebuild. 1)There are reports that Fedetov will sign a 2 year extension with CKSA. Supposedly announced today or tomorrow. I think they would have restocked the Goalie ranks anyways, but if the Flyers had this info pre draft (I'm thinking they did) it could have easily pushed Goalies up the que. I really think a major chance to weaponize cap space was missed on Bertuzzi. According to reports, many offers were laughable. He simply took the best 1 yr offer and ran with it. I say give him an extra mill (6.5) to come to a bad team...allow him to bet on himself for a big payday next year. Downside: Block a kid from valuable top 6 minutes and pp time. Upside: 1st rd pick at the deadline...or top prospect. In a full on rebuild, the chance to get a 3rd 1st rd pick next year (assuming Panthers don't finish bottom 10) should outweigh the blocking scenarios. This is how cap space should be utilized...with an eye to future assets! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoachX Posted July 3, 2023 Share Posted July 3, 2023 1 hour ago, hmc687 said: Laughton is a very solid 3C imho. He brings everything a 3C should bring and apparently is a good lockerroom guy. When we're talking about improving the culture I want those guys to hang around. His contract is affordable, he doesnt get hurt often, and he gets involved in a positive way. Those are qualities I want in my 3C. Could he be bigger and more physical? Sure, but that hasnt made him less effective. This is one of, if not the, biggest issues I have with SL. I have asked before, and will now again...what evidence is there that verifies he's a good lockerroom guy? Last I checked none of us have actually been in the room. How would we know? I think this is a very convenient argument because it can't be proven or disproven. And if we assume this is an actual fact, it should not be a players most significant attribute Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Podein25 Posted July 3, 2023 Share Posted July 3, 2023 6 minutes ago, CoachX said: ...what evidence is there that verifies he's a good lockerroom guy? Last I checked none of us have actually been in the room. How would we know? I think this is a very convenient argument because it can't be proven or disproven... Yeah, fair I guess. At the same time, we can all be pretty certain that you would be terrible in the room. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoachX Posted July 3, 2023 Share Posted July 3, 2023 14 minutes ago, jammer2 said: I few points on the rebuild. 1)There are reports that Fedetov will sign a 2 year extension with CKSA. Supposedly announced today or tomorrow. I think they would have restocked the Goalie ranks anyways, but if the Flyers had this info pre draft (I'm thinking they did) it could have easily pushed Goalies up the que. I really think a major chance to weaponize cap space was missed on Bertuzzi. According to reports, many offers were laughable. He simply took the best 1 yr offer and ran with it. I say give him an extra mill (6.5) to come to a bad team...allow him to bet on himself for a big payday next year. Downside: Block a kid from valuable top 6 minutes and pp time. Upside: 1st rd pick at the deadline...or top prospect. In a full on rebuild, the chance to get a 3rd 1st rd pick next year (assuming Panthers don't finish bottom 10) should outweigh the blocking scenarios. This is how cap space should be utilized...with an eye to future assets! What if Bertuzzi didn't want to play in Philly? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoachX Posted July 3, 2023 Share Posted July 3, 2023 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Podein25 said: Yeah, fair I guess. At the same time, we can all be pretty certain that you would be terrible in the room. I have a tough time getting along with myself. I dont play well Edited July 3, 2023 by CoachX 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ruxpin Posted July 3, 2023 Share Posted July 3, 2023 16 minutes ago, CoachX said: I have a tough time getting along with myself. I dont play well Your browser history suggests otherwise. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jammer2 Posted July 3, 2023 Share Posted July 3, 2023 40 minutes ago, CoachX said: What if Bertuzzi didn't want to play in Philly? By all indications he took the most money offered. That's why I said, give him an extra mill to come to a bad team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Podein25 Posted July 3, 2023 Share Posted July 3, 2023 (edited) 26 minutes ago, ruxpin said: Your browser history suggests otherwise. "GILFs laying seductively at the bottom of escalators waiting for the repairman" porn. Very niche. Edited July 3, 2023 by Podein25 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyercanuck Posted July 3, 2023 Share Posted July 3, 2023 56 minutes ago, CoachX said: what evidence is there that verifies he's a good lockerroom guy? Played on the same team his entire career. That should at least say he isn't a cancer. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hmc687 Posted July 4, 2023 Share Posted July 4, 2023 10 hours ago, CoachX said: This is one of, if not the, biggest issues I have with SL. I have asked before, and will now again...what evidence is there that verifies he's a good lockerroom guy? Last I checked none of us have actually been in the room. How would we know? I think this is a very convenient argument because it can't be proven or disproven. And if we assume this is an actual fact, it should not be a players most significant attribute Torts is a culture guy and the only person wearing a leadership patch is Laughton. Not Couts, not Provorov, Sanheim, Hayes, or TK. It was only SL that Torts identified as a leader. "Scott Laughton's role with the Flyers continues to grow on the ice and in the locker room The versatile forward hasn't missed a beat since moving into a top-six role and has also emerged as the face of the team's leadership group under new coach John Tortorella" https://www.inquirer.com/flyers/flyers-scott-laughton-versatility-captain-tortorella-20221103.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
radoran Posted July 4, 2023 Share Posted July 4, 2023 11 hours ago, Podein25 said: "GILFs laying seductively at the bottom of escalators waiting for the repairman" porn. Very niche. Goats? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
radoran Posted July 4, 2023 Share Posted July 4, 2023 1 hour ago, hmc687 said: Torts is a culture guy and the only person wearing a leadership patch is Laughton. Not Couts, Couturier still had an A last season but Laughton was the only letter on the ice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hmc687 Posted July 4, 2023 Share Posted July 4, 2023 1 hour ago, radoran said: Couturier still had an A last season but Laughton was the only letter on the ice. Thank you for correction. Shame whats happened w Couts 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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