DeAngelo Unconditionally released and bought out

[OccamsRazor]

On 7/12/2023 at 5:43 AM, flyercanuck said:

Canes already signed Bunting, just signed Lemieux, and hopefully trade for Deangelo. 

 

Brindamour says "give me a team full of Ahos anyday"

 

Waddell hears it slightly differently.

 

 

Well seems they got tired of waiting...

 

So ding dong the witch is DEAD!!!

 

 

[OccamsRazor]

Fine by me...he GONE!!!

 

 

[OccamsRazor]

Good now we can lock this damn thread up...kick another dead horse.

 

 

[hmc687]

Fletcher likely wont get another GM job in his lifetime, at least not at the NHL level

[OccamsRazor]

3 minutes ago, hmc687 said:

Fletcher likely wont get another GM job in his lifetime, at least not at the NHL level

 

Yes he shouldn't he is lucky he wasn't drawn and quartered...no really worse GM in the history of any team i have ever followed in any sport - bar none. 

[CoachX]

TDA-hole is no more!

 

and in case anyone forgot...JVR is gone! ......also

[mkscrewy]

Can't wait to see the final receipts from Chuck's TDA debacle.

[Brewin Flames]

Did i miss something...thought he was sent back to the Canes ?

[CoachX]

3 minutes ago, Brewin Flames said:

Did i miss something...thought he was sent back to the Canes ?

he can go anywhere he wants. Away is my favorite destination

 

they waived him so they could buy him out

[Brewin Flames]

Philadelphia Flyers Waive Tony DeAngelo For Purposes Of Buyout

JULY 14, 2023 AT 11:06 AM CDT | BY JOSH ERICKSON 

It appears the rumored trade between the Philadelphia Flyers and Carolina Hurricanes won’t be happening after all. Today, the Flyers placed defenseman Tony DeAngelo on unconditional waivers, which CapFriendly initially clarified is for the purpose of contract termination. The Athletic’s Charlie O’Connor later contradicted CapFriendly’s initial report, claiming DeAngelo’s waiver placement is for the purposes of a buyout, which was later confirmed.

After the Flyers acquired DeAngelo’s negotiating rights from the Hurricanes last summer and promptly signed him to a two-year, $10MM deal, his relationship with head coach John Tortorella became tenuous, culminating in a string of healthy scratches to end the season. Reporting suggested the Flyers and Hurricanes had worked out a deal to send DeAngelo back to Raleigh this offseason, which would have involved the Flyers retaining half of DeAngelo’s $5MM cap hit on the final season of his contract and receiving center prospect Massimo Rizzo in return.

 

However, the league blocked the trade at the time, claiming it circumvented the salary cap, and didn’t permit the deal to go through until July 8, 2023, exactly one year after the initial trade, which sent DeAngelo’s rights to Philadelphia.

 

The trade never actually went through, though, and now DeAngelo will find himself free to sign with any team that will have him – including Carolina. The buyout option became available to the Flyers after settling with forward Noah Cates before his arbitration hearing.

 

The buyout will cost the Flyers $1.67MM against the cap for the next two seasons compared to a one-time $2.5MM cap hit next year via salary retention. While the team is in the throes of a rebuild and doesn’t anticipate spending to the salary cap, the decision to buy DeAngelo out rather than trade him does offer slightly more short-term financial relief.

 

DeAngelo is an elite offensive-minded defender but a rather significant defensive liability, which chiefly contributed to his fallout with Tortorella in Philadelphia. When taking into consideration he’s played on three teams in the past three seasons and has now been bought out twice in that time frame, it seems unlikely he’ll find any long-term commitments on the open market.

 

Moving on from DeAngelo will certainly shift more point-producing burden onto youngster Cam York, who looked quite capable last season with 20 points in 54 games. The 22-year-old signed a two-year, $3.2MM extension with the Flyers earlier this week.

 

DeAngelo, 27, led Flyers defensemen in scoring last season with 42 points in 70 games. It was his third straight full season posting more than 40 points – he played just six games in 2020-21 before getting involved in a post-game altercation with then-teammate Alexandar Georgiev, which resulted in a waiver placement and assignment to the team’s taxi squad for the remainder of the season.

[OccamsRazor]

10 minutes ago, Brewin Flames said:

Did i miss something...thought he was sent back to the Canes ?

 

With them having to wait till July 9th to execute the trade the down time let the Canes explore trading for Erik Karlsson and well that put the TDA trade on the back burner and the Flyers were wanting to get this over with so now they can move on and to hell with what the Canes want or do eff em.

 

Flyers can move off and be done with him.

[jammer2]

10 minutes ago, OccamsRazor said:

 

With them having to wait till July 9th to execute the trade the down time let the Canes explore trading for Erik Karlsson and well that put the TDA trade on the back burner and the Flyers were wanting to get this over with so now they can move on and to hell with what the Canes want or do eff em.

 

Flyers can move off and be done with him.

We REALLY got shafted with that BS ruling! Was not violating the spirit of the rule!! 

REALLY bad look for the Canes. Hope Danny offer sheets them in the future!! Not smart, we gonna have a ton of cap space and as they contend, always gonna be vulnerable!!

[CoachX]

4 minutes ago, jammer2 said:

We REALLY got shafted with that BS ruling! Was not violating the spirit of the rule!! 

REALLY bad look for the Canes. Hope Danny offer sheets them in the future!! Not smart, we gonna have a ton of cap space and as they contend, always gonna be vulnerable!!

i fcking hate the 'Canes!

[CoachX]

What does this say about the character of the player, a top point producer at his position, when a team will pay just to get rid of him. He truly must be a TDA-hole

 

oh, BTW....I love TORTS!

[pilldoc]

Sooooooo.....  for those with an inquisitive mind....

 

How DeAngelo’s buyout helps the Flyers?

Let get this straight.....It’s never ideal for a team to have dead money sitting on their books.  However,  there’s a solid case to be made that this outcome is actually preferable for the Flyers, compared to the Carolina trade that never happened, for a few reasons.

 

First, the Flyers actually will open up more cap space for 2023-24 via the buyout than via the rumored trade. In the trade, Philadelphia would have had $2.5 million on their books via salary retention; via the buyout, they only have $1.66 million.

 

Second, while the buyout requires a $1.66 million cap charge for 2024-25, it also means that the Flyers won’t be wasting a second salary-retention slot for 2023-24 on DeAngelo. Briere already used one of the team’s three retention slots on Kevin Hayes for the next three seasons, and retaining money on DeAngelo would mean that the Flyers had just one more slot remaining for use in 2023-24.

 

Now, they have two, increasing Briere’s flexibility to maximize potential returns at the deadline when he likely looks to sell off more players to aid in the rebuild. The only drawbacks are the lack of a trade return for DeAngelo now — which was always going to be minimal — and the extra $1.66 million charge in 2024-25, another season that the organization expects to be spent in the midst of a rebuild.

 

Thank You Charlie O'Connor for your excellent reporting.

 

 

[Brewin Flames]

Seemed like the flyers were not gonna wait fr the canes to finish di^king aroound and did what they had to do.

 

DeAngelo is a douche anyway so....f em.

[pilldoc]

Chuck's just the gift that keeps on giving. But I really hope Briere's having some discussions with Totorella about trying not to depress players' trade values. Yes DeAngelo sucks, but we should have been able to move him for a zamboni battery and some hockey tape by retaining 50%.

 

And to think we gave up 3 picks for this jerk off........   (what the hell was Fletch thinking ....SMH)

[mojo1917]

@pilldoc

There was a deal. 

the NHL put the kai-bosh on it.

***kery was a foot!

 

I dont' think I can go with you and the theory of Torts depressing the player's value.  

Tony did that to himself by being the 3rd worst defenseman at defense in the league last year.

 

 

[pilldoc]

2 minutes ago, mojo1917 said:

There was a deal. 

the NHL put the kai-bosh on it.

 

Agree .......

 

5 minutes ago, mojo1917 said:

I dont' think I can go with you and the theory of Torts depressing the player's value.  

 

I read somewhere, and I could be wrong here,  that Torts in an interview revealed the real reason why Tony DeAngelo has been benched for the team's last five games of the regular season. Despite DeAngelo referring to the situation as "ridiculous" in interviews, Torts disclosed that the decision was made due to a personal issue that occurred off the ice.

While the specifics of the situation remain undisclosed, it is clear that there was an incident that led to DeAngelo's absence from the team. Tortorella has chosen to keep the matter between himself, DeAngelo, and the team.

That is what I meant by that comment ....but I agree with your post....  TDA is a class A jerk and he did it to himself.

 

 

[pilldoc]

1 hour ago, mkscrewy said:

Can't wait to see the final receipts from Chuck's TDA debacle.

Ask and you shall receive .....  I won't mention the trades that involved AHL quality players.

 

Minor Trades
These are trades that didn’t rock the boat, but still were significant enough to merit some discussion. These can include draft day trades (i.e. moving up or down from pick positions) as well as player for player moves. For draft day moves, unless that player has blossomed into a bonafide NHL star (which is not applicable to any of the moves here) then draft day moves will fall under this category.

 

January 11, 2019
To Arizona: Jordan Weal, To Flyers: Jacob Graves and 2019 6th Rounder (Egor Serdyuk)

Serdyuk is playing in the VHL, Graves plays in the ECHL, and Jordan Weal is playing in the KHL currently (and he didn’t do much of anything after his trade). Therefore, this is very much a nothing trade that I can’t value at more than average. No team won or lost here. You could argue the Flyers benefitted more from the 6th round pick as they wouldn’t know what Serdyuk would develop into, but hindsight is always 20/20.

 

January 17, 2019
To Buffalo: Taylor Leier, To Flyers: Justin Bailey

Deep cuts here with this trade. Gosh, I remember when we were all excited about Taylor Leier. Well now he’s playing in the DEL in Germany. Bailey, meanwhile, never caught on in Philly but is having a decent season this year with the Oilers’ AHL affiliate (23 points in 40 games). It is entirely possible he gets playing time in Edmonton if injuries strike. Both players post-trade barely sniffed NHL time or didn’t at all, so this is another even value trade that doesn’t really bring much to the table.

 

February 9, 2019
To Montreal: Dale Weise and Christian Folin, To Flyers: Byron Froese and David Schlemko

Weise is now retired, but upon his trade barely saw NHL time and eventually signed in Sweden, where Folin currently plays. Similarly, Froese didn’t last very long in the Flyers system and now plays for the Vegas Golden Knights’ AHL affiliate, and Schlemko pretty much retired after he didn’t get time with the Flyers. However, what isn’t accounted for by the numbers or value only would be the jubilation of finally ridding ourselves of Dale Weise, perhaps one of the most underwhelming free agent signings in Flyers history (four years, $9.4 million for 34 total points!).

 

February 15, 2019
To Edmonton: Anthony Stolarz, To Flyers: Cam Talbot

Cam Talbot only played in four games for the Flyers. His save percentage was a dismal 0.881%. He would go on to leave in free agency, and then improve his save percentage to 0.919 and 0.913 in respective seasons with Calgary and then Minnesota...remember this is the guy the Flyers RECEIVED. Anthony “Stolie the Goalie” Stolarz, whom the Flyers gave up, bounced around the NHL and AHL before finally carving out a role for himself with the Anaheim Ducks. He had a very good 2021-22 but hasn’t been nearly as good this year. Either way, the Flyers traded a guy who would become an average backup for essentially nothing, but not actually nothing (WE WILL GET TO THAT ONE LATER!).

 

June 21, 2019
To Arizona: 2019 1st Rounder (Victor Soderstrom), To Flyers: 2019 1st Rounder (Cam York) + 2019 2nd Rounder

Both Cam York and Victor Soderstrom are puck-moving defensemen, and while I’m not too sure if York will be better than Soderstrom or vice versa when it’s all set and done, I have to give the edge to the Flyers for getting an added pick from this deal. Additionally, we have Cam York because of this deal, and York is one of the few bright spots on this Flyers’ roster.

 

June 22, 2019
To Nashville: 2019 2nd Rounder (Egor Afanasyev) + 2019 3rd Rounder (Michael Vukojevic), To Flyers: 2019 2nd Rounder (Bobby Brink)

The Flyers paid the price to trade up for Brink, and so far, it appears to have been the right move. Afanasyev is having a decent year in the AHL (24 points in 54 games) but Brink is playing even better (17 points in 25 games) coming off an injury, and one wonders when he could get re-called to the Flyers. With how badly the Flyers are playing they may very well give him another stint in the big-show.

 

July 24, 2019
To Dallas: Ryan Hartman, To Flyers: Tyler Pitlick

In the end, while I think many would have been happy to see Pitlick stick around in Philly after his one season, he simply isn’t as good a player as Ryan Hartman. I can’t remember any discussion about Hartman being unhappy, or with contract disputes, so this one goes down as a Fletcher L.

 

February 24, 2020
To Anaheim: 2020 4th round pick, Kyle Criscuolo, To Flyers: Derek Grant

The Flyers gave up very little here to grab some depth for their bottom six, and Derek Grant had quite a good first impression. He’s had a nice little career for a fringe player and certainly helped the Flyers with 5 points in 7 games before the NHL paused. He also played in 15 bubble games scoring 2 points. Solid move!

 

February 24, 2020
To Montreal: 2021 5th round pick, To Flyers: Nate Thompson

I’m not the biggest Nate Thompson fan in terms of his play style, but as a role model and locker room presence, this trade works out to around equal value, especially for what was then a team filled with youngsters.

 

October 7, 2020
To Tampa: 2020 4th rounder (Eamon Powell) + 2020 5th Rounder (Jaydon Dureau), To Flyers: 2020 4th rounder (Zayde Wisdom)

While Zayde Wisdom looks like he could be a real difference maker for the Flyers in the future, his potential is so far unproven, and he hasn’t exactly lit the AHL on fire. I can’t with good faith give this trade anything above or below a 3.

 

October 7, 2020
To Nashville: 2020 7th rounder (Gunnarwolfe Fontaine) + 2020 7th rounder (Chase McLane), To Flyers: 2020 5th rounder (Elliot Desnoyers)

Despite the Flyers giving up on the chance to trade for and pick a man names Gunnarwolfe, this trade grades much better given the low price the Flyers paid and the player they were able to draft as a result. Desnoyers has made his NHL debut this season, and has been playing very well in the AHL for a player of his age (38 points in 52 games at just 21 years old).

 

April 7, 2021
To Washington: Michael Raffl, To Flyers: 2021 5th rounder (from Vegas)

The player the Flyers drafted with this pick (Ty Murchison) is unsigned, and Raffl didn’t have much of an impact upon his trade to Washington. It was pretty clear that Raffl wasn’t in the Flyers’ plans, so being able to extract anything from him was decent business, but nothing special.

 

April 7, 2021
To Montreal: Erik Gustafsson, To Flyers: St.Louis’ 2022 7th Rounder (transferred to Montreal - Miguel Tourigny)

The Flyers struck out with Gustafsson, who funny enough is having a career renaissance this season. However, he provided an underwhelming performance in the orange and black.  They clearly wanted to just get rid of him, but value wise, this wasn’t anything more than an average move, made below average since the Flyers then moved the pick they got in return.

 

March 21, 2022
To Edmonton: Derrick Brassard, To Flyers: 2023 4rd Rounder

Brass was a solid bottom six player, albeit on the older side, and with the team in the gutter, it was a solid but unremarkable piece of business to trade him. Not great nor bad.

 

March 3, 2023
To Los Angeles: Zack MacEwen, To Flyers: Brendan Lemieux and 2024 5th Rounder

The Flyers only marginally win this trade since they got an added pick back for taking on what essentially is a trial for Brendan Lemieux to see if he’ll ever get an NHL role again. The below sums this trade up best:

Brendan Lemieux, acquired by PHI, is a fourth-line defensive winger with a life-long passion for throwing hits and taking penalties. pic.twitter.com/xKBRJSaSLC

— JFresh (@JFreshHockey) March 3, 2023
 

Major Trades
These are trades that have either involved significant NHL players (either currently or formerly considered as such), and are generally the trades that are considered to have shaped Fletcher’s legacy with the Flyers (though obviously this is subjective). They are the following:

 

February 25, 2019
To Nashville: Wayne Simmonds, To Flyers: Ryan Hartman, 2020 Conditional 4th Rounder (was later traded)

Ryan Hartman made a very good first impression with the Flyers, but at the end of the day, he is a bottom six forward... is what I would say had he not exploded for 34 goals and 65 points in 2021-22. Currently, he is on pace for 33 points, and I’m not sure what to make of him (I’m sure the Wild aren’t either), but the Flyers got the bottom six version of Hartman and traded a franchise legend to do so. He’s aged considerably since the trade and has had injury problems, but this hurt in the moment. Nevertheless, I can’t reasonably say this wasn’t at least a reasonable trade considering Simmonds’ output since. He obviously brings off-ice leadership qualities to the table, but the fact he is in the AHL currently in the Leafs’ system says all you need to know. It was a marginal win for the Flyers, and the fact everyone knew he was getting moved hurt what they could get back for him.

 

June 14, 2019
To Washington: Radko Gudas, To Flyers: Matt Niskanen

This ended up being a very good trade, despite the risk it posed at the time. The Flyers were banking that Niskanen would rebound after a poor prior season, and he did, helping Ivan Provorov to stabilize. Meanwhile, Radko Gudas has kept a role in the NHL, but is still the same flawed Radko that we knew and loved.

 

Honestly, outside of this trade, Niskanen’s retirement after 2019-20 was really the straw that broke the camel’s back, and I’d be interested to know the butterfly effect of what could occur had he not retired. However, despite this, he really helped the Flyers assert themselves that season and in the COVID-19 Bubble.

 

June 18, 2019
To San Jose: 2019 2nd rounder (Kaedan Korczak) and 2020 3rd rounder (Maxim Groshev), To Flyers: Justin Braun

Giving up two picks for Justin Braun is, how should I put it...not very good. The sentiment is understandable as the Flyers really had major problems in defense, so a veteran presence was needed. But, Matt Niskanen was a much better player for this than Braun.

 

July 17, 2021
To Nashville: Phil Myers and Nolan Patrick, To Flyers: Ryan Ellis

Here is where the trades start to get interesting, since they are the most recent. The Ryan Ellis trade at the time was hailed as a fleecing by Fletcher. Nolan Patrick unfortunately due to his injuries will likely never play to any semblance of productive level in the NHL, if in the league at all, and Myers has been primarily playing in the AHL. Additionally, the Flyers were able to get back a top pairing defenseman with whom they would placing their future in. However, just four games into his debut season with the club he was injured, and hasn’t appeared in a game since, and could likely never play again. So would you rather take 4 games of a very good player or many more games of barely NHL players? Take your pick. Either way this has turned out to be a nothing trade, with its impact on the Flyers more so the unfortunate injury than the trade itself.

 

July 22, 2021
To Arizona: Shayne Gostisbehere, 2022 2nd rounder (Artem Duda) & 2022 7th rounder (Miguel Tourigny), To Flyers: A bag of pucks

The Flyers traded one of the better offensive defensemen in the league for nothing, and paid extra picks to do it. Yes, the Flyers were tired of his lack of defensive “responsibility” but here at Broad Street Hockey, we’ve been over many times why this is a flawed comparative to make. Don’t try and saddle a mustang. Awful trade both now and at the time.

 

July 23, 2021
To Buffalo: 2021 1st rounder + 2023 2nd rounder + Robert Hagg), To Flyers: Rasmus Ristolainen

This is a very contentious trade. Robert Hagg was (and continues to be) a replacement level NHL blue-liner, and Ristolainen, in theory, could have been a good fit for Philly if usage was correct. Honestly, most of the criticism surrounding Ristolainen comes from the contract he signed and not the trade itself. However, he continued to be just as bad analytically (and by the eye test if we’re being honest). The first round pick turned into Isak Rosen, who is having a good year at 19 years old in the AHL (25 points in 47 games) and could very well be an impact player for Buffalo.

 

In the end, this trade was bad but not the most egregious one of the bunch.

 

July 24, 2021
To Columbus: Jakub Voracek, To Flyers: Cam Atkinson

At the time this seemed like a fairly even move, and worked into the idea of the Flyers re-tooling after a disappointing 2020-21 campaign. Ultimately, the Flyers got slightly less production but a completely different type of player from Voracek, and both were valuable to their teams. You can make the argument that Voracek was slightly more valuable to Columbus, but for the Flyers’ needs, and what they were looking to address, this was a fairly even move.

 

March 19, 2022
To Florida: Claude Giroux, Connor Bunnaman, German Rubstov & 2024 5th Rounder, To Flyers: Owen Tippett, 2024 1st Rounder & 2023 3rd Rounder

Obviously, the Flyers haven’t made those picks yet that they got from Florida, but if we solely look at the active players traded, Giroux is obviously leagues better than Owen Tippett, Connor Bunnaman or German Rubtsov. However, that being said, Tippett has impressed this season and looks to be a key future piece for the Flyers. In the end, it wasn’t a bad haul for a pending free agent superstar, and I would argue that since Giroux didn’t stay in Florida that they came out the better team in the end.

 

March 21, 2022
To NYR: Justin Braun, To Flyers: 2023 3rd Rounder

Any value gotten for Justin Braun is a positive, end of story.

 

July 9, 2022
To Carolina: 2024 2nd Rounder, 2023 3rd rounder, 2022 4th Rounder (Simon Forsmark), To Flyers: Tony DeAngelo + 2022 7th Rounder (Alexis Gendron)

The Hurricanes pick, Forsmark, is still in Sweden, and Gendron is still in the QMJHL. In the end, the picks could turn this into a very one-sided trade, but the Flyers gave up a fairly significant amount of picks to land DeAngelo, who plays a very similar style to Shayne Gostisbehere, who they gave away for nothing. In the end, that fact alone makes this trade a head-scratcher. It isn’t, in essence of its value, a terrible trade, but it doesn’t hit the even value minimum to rate it at a 3/5, and shows a lack of planning from the Flyers’ front office.

 

EDIT:

 

Missed one ...

 

6/3/19- Rights to Kevin Hayes for 2019 fifth round pick (Harrison Blaisdell)

The first real addition Fletcher made was securing the rights to Kevin Hayes from the Winnipeg Jets, a team that acquired him in a deadline deal with the Rangers. He signed a seven-year, $50 million contract and had a breakout year in 2019-20, but injuries have limited his usefulness over the last two seasons, making a once stomachable contract look like an albatross.

 

 

 

 

Edited July 14, 2023 by pilldoc

[pilldoc]

Here is a list of all of Fletch'e FA signings/extensions ....

 

 

not all are listed ......

 

https://www.capfriendly.com/staff/chuck-fletcher

 

Edited July 14, 2023 by pilldoc

[flyercanuck]

2 hours ago, hmc687 said:

Fletcher likely wont get another GM job in his lifetime, at least not at the NHL level

 

He should have never got his last one. Yet here we are trying to sift through the carnage he left.

[flyercanuck]

18 minutes ago, pilldoc said:

June 21, 2019
To Arizona: 2019 1st Rounder (Victor Soderstrom), To Flyers: 2019 1st Rounder (Cam York) + 2019 2nd Rounder

Both Cam York and Victor Soderstrom are puck-moving defensemen, and while I’m not too sure if York will be better than Soderstrom or vice versa when it’s all set and done, I have to give the edge to the Flyers for getting an added pick from this deal. Additionally, we have Cam York because of this deal, and York is one of the few bright spots on this Flyers’ roster.

 

 

 

This trade looks like a good move by Fletcher, and of course we'll have to wait till the careers of the players involved come to an end.

 

But the one component of this trade that rarely gets mentioned is that Fletcher left Matt Boldy sitting there (he of 31 goals and 32 assists last season) when he traded down with Arizona, who was quickly snatched up by (who else) Minnesota! 

 

So when people say how Fletcher is good at drafting, I really don't see it. It's just he's so terrible at everything else that his drafting doesn't look so bad. Sure he got Foerster (who fell to us because of his skating, which HE quickly corrected) and Gauthier (5th overall, and could have taken likely #1 dman Jiricek, but either way, it was a fifth overall pick on a team he was trying to win a cup with...that's how good he was)

[Howie58]

Well, as we've said here on many occasions, the early part of Briere's career in Philly will be judged by how he manages the costs of addition by subtraction.  I think he and the command staff minimized this subtraction quite well. This dude is a locker room cancer in addition to being a defensive liability.  My gut says he will not have many suitors, even at a bargain basement AAV.  The CBA hang-up is a blessing. The Philly waiver may have finished or seriously damaged his career.  But he can laugh his way to the bank thanks to the Chuckmeister. 

 

 

Edited July 14, 2023 by Howie58

[radoran]

2 hours ago, pilldoc said:

Ask and you shall receive .....  I won't mention the trades that involved AHL quality players.

 

Deck chairs... Deck chairs everywhere... Floating in the water...