jammer2 Posted August 27, 2015 Share Posted August 27, 2015 UNLESS the Kings decided to keep it - but why would they? Maybe Richards agent demanded it, as a sign of good faith, after the trade went down? Just throwing stuff at the wall here, doubt it sticks...lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJgoal Posted August 27, 2015 Share Posted August 27, 2015 Maybe Richards agent demanded it, as a sign of good faith, after the trade went down? Just throwing stuff at the wall here, doubt it sticks...lol. That's the thing - he could demand all he wants, but the CBA says it goes. Now, it's different when a player waives the clause - he can say "I'll waive it ONLY if you agree to keep it intact after completion of the trade." Then he can torpedo the trade if the acquiring team doesn't agree. But it makes no sense for an acquiring team to keep such a clause intact if there is no leverage on the other side. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jammer2 Posted August 27, 2015 Share Posted August 27, 2015 @AJgoal Yeah, the only leverage a player would have in this case is to with hold services, which does not happen in the NHL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Podein25 Posted August 27, 2015 Share Posted August 27, 2015 My understanding is that USC&BP takes almost a zero tolerance stance on drugs crossing the border, regardless of how much He was stopped by Canadian Border Services though. I'm sure they have zero tolerance too. If what @jammer2 is saying is true then I'd say he was carrying an un-prescribed Schedule I narcotic then I guess that's automatic. So Mike is not too bright then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJgoal Posted August 27, 2015 Share Posted August 27, 2015 He was stopped by Canadian Border Services though. I'm sure they have zero tolerance too. If what @jammer2 is saying is true then I'd say he was carrying an un-prescribed Schedule I narcotic then I guess that's automatic. So Mike is not too bright then. Yeah, that's the thing that would make me wonder - he was leaving the US, not entering, so would USC&BP care as much? Canada isn't going to kick a citizen out for such an offense, of course. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jammer2 Posted August 27, 2015 Share Posted August 27, 2015 Note to Mike....you get the puck bunnies to carry the stuff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pilldoc Posted August 27, 2015 Share Posted August 27, 2015 @AJgoal@jammer2@Podein25 This is from my post earlier in the thread...... post #71 http://www.hockeyforums.net/index.php/topic/65413-the-omnibus-mike-richards-saga-thread/?p=250548 I don't know all of the Canadian Laws concerning Controlled Subtances. In the United States there are 5 Classes of Controlled Substances:Class I = Cocaine powder / Marijuana (except in certain states) / Heroin / other illegal drugsClass II = Morphine / Fentanyl / Ocycodone / Hydrocondone (recently moved to Class II from Class III) / amphetamines / ritalin / AdderallClass III = Tylenol with Codeine / Anabalic SteroidsClass IV = Benzo's like Ativan / Valium / XanaxClass V = Exempt narcotics = Phenergan with Codeine (cough medicine) In Canada Oxycodone = Class I similiar to US Class II I searched Canada's version of the DEA Act here: http://laws-lois.jus...ng/acts/c-38.8/ I found this "if" he had them illegally..... Possession of substance4. (1) Except as authorized under the regulations, no person shall possess a substance included in Schedule I, II or III.Marginal note:Obtaining substance(2) No person shall seek or obtainfrom a practitioner, unless the person discloses to the practitioner particulars relating to the acquisition by the person of every substance in those Schedules, and of every authorization to obtain such substances, from any other practitioner within the preceding thirty days.(a) a substance included in Schedule I, II, III or IV, or(b) an authorization to obtain a substance included in Schedule I, II, III or IVMarginal note:Punishment(3) Every person who contravenes subsection (1) where the subject-matter of the offence is a substance included in Schedule I(a) is guilty of an indictable offence and liable to imprisonment for a term not exceeding seven years; or(b) is guilty of an offence punishable on summary conviction and liable(i) for a first offence, to a fine not exceeding one thousand dollars or to imprisonment for a term not exceeding six months, or to both, and(ii) for a subsequent offence, to a fine not exceeding two thousand dollars or to imprisonment for a term not exceeding one year, or to both.they pretty much have zero tolerance. Even if was a small amount. Also from a previous post I posted..... If he has a legitamate prescription for them, then there should be no problems. However, it does get dicey because OxyContin is label by the DEA as a Schedule II Narcotic (Controlled Substance) and I am not up to date on the amount allowed to cross over international borders. Quantites of 60-120 tablets would be usual ans costumary. Now suppose he had like a couple hundred tabets on hand, then that could be conisidered something more severe. Again, I am only speculating here because I do not not know the full story. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JackStraw Posted August 27, 2015 Author Share Posted August 27, 2015 There really shouldn't be any confusion surrounding Richards' NMC - since he was traded before it coming into effect, it should not remain attached to his contract, UNLESS the Kings decided to keep it - but why would they? Well they were trying to trade him during the draft, until Lombardi found out about this border incident. So I assume the NMC isn't an issue here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JackStraw Posted August 27, 2015 Author Share Posted August 27, 2015 He was stopped by Canadian Border Services though. I'm sure they have zero tolerance too. If what @jammer2 is saying is true then I'd say he was carrying an un-prescribed Schedule I narcotic then I guess that's automatic. So Mike is not too bright then. My understanding is that oxycontin is Schedule I in Canada but Schedule II in the US. I wonder if he had a prescription from the US? That would make things even more interesting (and worse for the Kings probably). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Podein25 Posted August 27, 2015 Share Posted August 27, 2015 @JackStraw It has been confirmed by Canadian news media that it was indeed oxycodone.Oxycodone is a Schedule 1: http://laws-lois.justice.gc.ca/eng/acts/C-38.8/page-25.html#h-28 So, I presume Mike has had Rx for these before and I further presume he would carry an others obtained through other means in a container with his name, and a prescribing physician's name on it. But maybe expired? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JackStraw Posted August 27, 2015 Author Share Posted August 27, 2015 @JackStraw It has been confirmed by Canadian news media that it was indeed oxycodone.Oxycodone is a Schedule 1: http://laws-lois.justice.gc.ca/eng/acts/C-38.8/page-25.html#h-28 So, I presume Mike has had Rx for these before and I further presume he would carry an others obtained through other means in a container with his name, and a prescribing physician's name on it. But maybe expired? What does Schedule 1 mean in Canada? Can you get it with a prescription or is it completely illegal? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jammer2 Posted August 27, 2015 Share Posted August 27, 2015 @JackStraw https://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Canadian_Criminal_Sentencing/Offences/Drug_Trafficking_%28Schedule_I%29 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Podein25 Posted August 27, 2015 Share Posted August 27, 2015 What does Schedule 1 mean in Canada? Can you get it with a prescription or is it completely illegal? It means it's a controlled substance under federal regulation, which includes rules around prescribing and possessing. Some of the rules are right in the Act, others in Regs, which I haven't looked at. Anyway, not sure how much trouble Mike is actually in. Schedule I is all the opiates, all the -phines, -ones, -butenes, -azines, all the cocaine derivatives etc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pilldoc Posted August 27, 2015 Share Posted August 27, 2015 Canada's Schedule 1 = USA Schedule II. Prescription only ... NO Refills allowed ... highly controlled Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Samifan Posted August 27, 2015 Share Posted August 27, 2015 Note to Mike....you get the puck bunnies to carry the stuff.Or your Wingman, damn it Carter do your job man! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BluPuk Posted August 27, 2015 Share Posted August 27, 2015 Hmm. Certainly explains the poor play. It will be interesting to see if LA gets out of the contract. I'm thinking not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JackStraw Posted August 27, 2015 Author Share Posted August 27, 2015 Court hearing scheduled for Sept 10. Macramalla was interviewed by TSN: http://www.tsn.ca/richards-charged-with-illegal-possession-of-a-controlled-substance-1.351639 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Podein25 Posted August 27, 2015 Share Posted August 27, 2015 Canada's Schedule 1 = USA Schedule II. Prescription only ... NO Refills allowed ... highly controlled Thanks. Yes, no refills. Most provinces in Canada prescribe these drugs under so-called "triplicate programs" - you guys must have similar eh? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Knut Posted August 27, 2015 Share Posted August 27, 2015 Players Union disputing the King's termination of his contract. What a mess. Worst part is, I have no doubt the Flyers share some culpability in any painkiller addiction problems he might have. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OccamsRazor Posted August 27, 2015 Share Posted August 27, 2015 This thread moved in 3, 2, 1....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JackStraw Posted August 27, 2015 Author Share Posted August 27, 2015 Well, it's official... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jmdodgesrt4 Posted August 27, 2015 Share Posted August 27, 2015 I think flyers management saw this coming. I would be shocked if the flyers and kings didn't offer up rehab to mike . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
murraycraven Posted August 27, 2015 Share Posted August 27, 2015 There is an entire post about this in Around the NHL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pilldoc Posted August 28, 2015 Share Posted August 28, 2015 Here is the other thread for Mike Richards; http://www.hockeyforums.net/index.php/topic/65413-the-omnibus-mike-richards-saga-thread/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Polaris922 Posted August 28, 2015 Share Posted August 28, 2015 Well, it's official...Sorry bud I can't zoom that. What was he charged with, if you would? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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