Potential moves for Flyers

[elmatus]

10 minutes ago, RonJeremy said:

@elmatus I know Trouba was highly regarded and we know it takes dmen longer to develop but I dont get to watch other teams at all ,so I cant rate his play. If we have to trade Ghost or the pick, i would hope its for a 25 or 26 year old player not somebody who is 32 and on his last legs..Do you have any dmen in mind who are relatively young and have what it takes to stabilize the defense and be somewhat of a leader. 

 

 

If you take this one season out, Trouba has scored about 25pts per season in his first five years. In juniors, he was really more of a stay at home guy than a dynamic player of any sort. As far as his defensive metrics go, he's no better than Ghost. In fact, Ghost is actually better at most possession metrics. Ghost is also significantly better offensively, scoring essentially double Trouba's average since he came into the league.

 

I'm not saying trading Ghost for a solid vet dman is a bad idea. I just don't think Trouba fits the bill. Trouba is a good NHL dman, but Ghost is better imo. I wouldn't see that trade as any sort of improvement.

 

And if the reasoning is that Trouba is a big man and big means good, I would offer that virtually every dman we have up and coming who is not named Ghost is actually quite big. 

Edited June 6, 2019 by elmatus

[RonJeremy]

Do you have any other  young dmen in mind that are possiblity on the market and that would be worth giving up Ghost or the pick to acquire?

[OccamsRazor]

• Alexander Appleyard

   

  @avappleyard

   

The

@NHL

teams over 18-19 season whose 4th most productive C+7th+8th most productive wings (30+ gp) combined for most points/82:

@NHLFlames: 82

@StLouisBlues: 81

@FlaPanthers: 76

@LAKings: 76

@TBLightning: 74

@MapleLeafs: 74

@NYIslanders: 73

@Capitals: 73

@NHLJets: 73

 

 

• Alexander Appleyard

   

  @avappleyard

   

In the context of@NHLFlyers, this year was:

 

Varone: 19 Raffl: 22 Weise: 21

 

62 points/82.

 

@NHL's 15th best.

 

Next years likely 4th line of:

 

Raffl-Laughton-Hartman average combined 79pts/82 over last 4 seasons.

 

If they do that next year would be 1 of best 4ths in NHL

Edited June 6, 2019 by OccamsRazor

[intheslot]

Buying out A mac...??

  Not my writing ..

 

https://www.hockeyfeed.com/nhl-news/10-players-facing-contract-buyouts-next-w   As late as January, MacDonald was averaging 18 minutes per game for the Flyers. In February that fell to 14:23, and by March he was a frequent healthy scratch and even when he did play it was even money that he’d get 10 minutes of ice time.

Philadelphia has enough money to play with this summer that it could theoretically just let the last year tick off MacDonald’s deal, but why bother? Not only do the Flyers have plenty of defencemen to take his minutes, but his actual value is far lower than the replacement cost associated with a buyout.

Edited June 6, 2019 by intheslot
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[OccamsRazor]

No need to buy him out.

 

Just bury him on the Phantoms.

[Podein25]

38 minutes ago, OccamsRazor said:

No need to buy him out.

 

Just bury him on the Phantoms.

 

Exactly. Wade Redden his ass.

[brelic]

Listened to Friedman’s 31 thoughts podcast. 

 

- Even though Philly got his rights, he’d be very happy to go back to the NYR. Might want to gauge other interest first. 

- AV probably consulted on this, some of his sources said their relationship was good, others said he was more comfortable in his role under Quinn as opposed to AV. 

- Rumour last season was Hayes was looking for 5x5m. 

- No way this means Couturier would be available in a trade. 

- Rumblings that the Flyers have thought about moving Patrick. He asked Fletch, who said, “If we’re going to trade Patrick, you’re going to look at the deal and understand it.”

- Philly has a lot of pieces they can move... centers and defense. 

- Nothing should surprise us about Philadelphia this off-season.

- At the very top of Comcast, they are impatient, they’re like “let’s go!”

- Fletch said at the combine their 1st round pick is in play. 

 

[OccamsRazor]

21 minutes ago, brelic said:

- No way this means Couturier would be available in a trade.

 

I don't even know why he would comment on this haven't heard anything of the sort about Coots...and yeah what team goes out and trades their top defensive forward who also happens to be your #1 center?

 

Ludicrous to even comment on.

 

23 minutes ago, brelic said:

Rumblings that the Flyers have thought about moving Patrick.

 

Now this I could see.

 

Sorry but I haven't been overly impressed by him.

 

Sure there have been glimpses here and there of what he could be...but there have been many times he has looked waaay to quickly to pass as if he was scared of the physical contact.

 

So sure I would listen to an offer for him.

[ruxpin]

2 hours ago, OccamsRazor said:

I don't even know why he would comment on this haven't heard anything of the sort about Coots...and yeah what team goes out and trades their top defensive forward who also happens to be your #1 center?

 

Ludicrous to even comment on.

 

This may simply have been in response to utter imbeciles on Facebook & Twitter.   Mindbedoggling

[AJgoal]

2 hours ago, OccamsRazor said:

 

I don't even know why he would comment on this haven't heard anything of the sort about Coots...and yeah what team goes out and trades their top defensive forward who also happens to be your #1 center?

 

Ludicrous to even comment on.

 

As I understand it, there was a Hockeybuzz writer from Buffalo that stated that this meant Couturier was available.

[OccamsRazor]

20 minutes ago, AJgoal said:

 

As I understand it, there was a Hockeybuzz writer from Buffalo that stated that this meant Couturier was available.

 

Wow i certainly hope that is a complete lie.

[AJgoal]

10 hours ago, OccamsRazor said:

 

Wow i certainly hope that is a complete lie.

 

I'm guessing, because I didn't see the actual article, only heard about it. My assumption is that it was more wishful thinking than anything else. Kind of the writer going 1+1=5 or something.

[brelic]

What stood out to me in the podcast was how aggressive Fletch plans to be. Not only has there been that 'sense' around the Flyers organization, he's been pretty clear in saying the same thing publicly. 

 

I think we end up with Subban or Trouba, possibly Karlsson if Fletch hasn't found a defenseman by July 1.

 

I also think our 11th pick will be dealt, and likely Gostisbehere +.

 

The current rumours are that Hayes will not sign with the Flyers and will test free agency, so if that happens, Fletch's game plan will have to change because there ain't much else he can get as 2C unless he goes the trade route. That will cost more assets.

 

Bottom line, Fletch will do what he thinks can essentially guarantee a playoff berth next year. 

 

 

[elmatus]

54 minutes ago, brelic said:

What stood out to me in the podcast was how aggressive Fletch plans to be. Not only has there been that 'sense' around the Flyers organization, he's been pretty clear in saying the same thing publicly. 

 

I think we end up with Subban or Trouba, possibly Karlsson if Fletch hasn't found a defenseman by July 1.

 

I also think our 11th pick will be dealt, and likely Gostisbehere +.

 

The current rumours are that Hayes will not sign with the Flyers and will test free agency, so if that happens, Fletch's game plan will have to change because there ain't much else he can get as 2C unless he goes the trade route. That will cost more assets.

 

Bottom line, Fletch will do what he thinks can essentially guarantee a playoff berth next year. 

 

 

 

If Hayes doesn't sign, I have to assume that means Ghost will be moving for a 2C of some sort. 

[brelic]

2 minutes ago, elmatus said:

 

If Hayes doesn't sign, I have to assume that means Ghost will be moving for a 2C of some sort. 

 

Right, and the only viable options (that have been talked about) are Kadri or Nylander. The Leafs will move one of them and keep the other as 3C. But they also don't need Ghost when they already have Reilly. 

 

They've (Toronto) been rumoured to be after Trouba... which I would think brings its own set of cap problems, but then again, Marleau is rumoured to be headed back to SJ as a cap dump.

 

The Flyers simply have to trade a defenseman or two if they bring on a top 2 guy. MacDonald can be bought out and Ghost traded, which clears out the roster spot for a defenseman.

 

Provorov/New guy

Sanheim/Gudas

Hagg/Myers

Morin

 

Honestly, depending on the new guy, that defense looks weaker than last season. Still way too young. 

[mojo1917]

15 hours ago, OccamsRazor said:

Sorry but I haven't been overly impressed by him.

 

Sure there have been glimpses here and there of what he could be...but there have been many times he has looked waaay to quickly to pass as if he was scared of the physical contact.

this attitude seems too cavalier to me. 

 

coming off abdominal surgery his rookie year, and had at least 1 concussion. that we know of probably had one last season too. 

 

do not throw the baby out with the bath water. 

how long did it take Couturier to "not suck" ? now he's a 60 pt guy rolling out of bed.  

Patrick will be very, very good. 

 

 

[radoran]

16 hours ago, OccamsRazor said:

No need to buy him out.

 

Just bury him on the Phantoms. 

 

Retain $2M in salary and see if you can get a draft pick for him.

[OccamsRazor]

1 hour ago, brelic said:

The current rumours are that Hayes will not sign with the Flyers and will test free agency, so if that happens

 

Well maybe if that happens the Flyers could pursue the Karlsson idea...i would be willing to move the 11th and Ghost in a deal for him.

 

I just want to find another way without including Farabee, Frost or Ratcliffe. As we stated they don't have any cap to work with.

 

I might be willing to even take a bad short contract back...maybe in the deal. I would even be willing to move a draft pick in 2020 to help in this.

 

Karlsson and Miller 

 

for 

 

Ghost 

11th pick

Rubtsov

 

Wouldn't that be enough compensation?

 

[OccamsRazor]

Just now, radoran said:

 

Retain $2M in salary and see if you can get a draft pick for him.

 

I would be down with that if you can find a take....whatever takes to never see him on the ice playing for the Flyers again.

[radoran]

18 minutes ago, mojo1917 said:

this attitude seems too cavalier to me. 

 

coming off abdominal surgery his rookie year, and had at least 1 concussion. that we know of probably had one last season too. 

 

do not throw the baby out with the bath water. 

how long did it take Couturier to "not suck" ? now he's a 60 pt guy rolling out of bed.  

Patrick will be very, very good.

 

I'm on board with this to an extent...

 

Couturier was put into a third-line, defensive specialist position and still put up better numbers than Patrick, who was slotted into the 2C role. Couturier also looked a lot better than Patrick consistently.

 

From where I sit, Patrick shouldn't have been on the team in Y1 and maybe not Y2. An overage Junior wouldn't have been terrible and then starting a year in the A might also have been beneficial.

 

He certainly could develop into something, but a 20-year-old with multiple concussion history is a legit risk moving forward.

 

Guy has a lot to prove, and he just needs to start proving it. For that matter, I doubt his trade value is terribly high at this point given his play and the concussions.

[radoran]

6 minutes ago, OccamsRazor said:

 

I would be down with that if you can find a take....whatever takes to never see him on the ice playing for the Flyers again.

 

His buyout would be $1.1M cap hit this year and $1.9M next. Flyers have cap space and could gain $3M more and potentially get an asset.

 

MacDonald has value, but he's just not a $5M player and doesn't have a place on the Flyers.

[OccamsRazor]

20 minutes ago, mojo1917 said:

how long did it take Couturier to "not suck"

 

Sorry i don't think this is a good comparison. Sure Coots was slow and had his haters here and i wasn't one of them but i always saw effort from the kid i never saw the things i have seen from Patrick and no sorry last year he was more than enough time removed from the surgery thing...we need a new excuse i guess...he disappeared for long stretches last last year.

 

And the most alarming part is when they were all fighting hard for the playoffs the last 21 games of the season he put up 1 measly goal.

 

So nah i'm not buying it he was playing timid a lot of the time passing way before he needed to just dumping the puck sometimes like a hot potato.

 

But if you remember back from november till mid january (27 games) he put up 1 goal. Then got hot from mid january till mid february and went cold again till the end of the year.

 

So i hope he gets in great shape and comes prepared to play his best hockey of his career.

 

Not trying to bust his balls but it is time to get his shat together.

[AJgoal]

1 minute ago, radoran said:

 

His buyout would be $1.1M cap hit this year and $1.9M next. Flyers have cap space and could gain $3M more and potentially get an asset.

 

MacDonald has value, but he's just not a $5M player and doesn't have a place on the Flyers.

 

Retain salary and trade him to Toronto for Kapanen. They need defense. 

 

I jest. Macdonald is not a Dubas kind of player. 

[OccamsRazor]

5 minutes ago, radoran said:

Couturier also looked a lot better than Patrick consistently.

 

This. Yes i don't remember Coots disappearing for 27 games and then again for like 20 games during the season and i certainly don't remember him being seeming scared to take a check for having the puck like i have seen with Patty.

 

Hey i hope it gets better and i am not trying to be hard on the kid.

 

7 minutes ago, radoran said:

Guy has a lot to prove, and he just needs to start proving it.

 

This. It's all i am asking....for the number 2 pick overall...all of it sort of reminds me of JVR when he was first with the Flyers and didn't bring it consistently and sometimes looked like he would be rather doing something else. Sorry just call it like i see it.

[radoran]

3 minutes ago, AJgoal said:

 

Retain salary and trade him to Toronto for Kapanen. They need defense. 

 

I jest. Macdonald is not a Dubas kind of player. 

 

I said "he has value" - like a 4th or 5th rounder. Not that he's "valuable".