Cheesesteak Posted March 14, 2021 Share Posted March 14, 2021 (edited) Ok, it's Eklund but he's saying it's "out there" that the Preds are after Patrick. that first better be heading the Flyers way if so. Ekholm for Patrick and a First https://www.hockeybuzz.com/blog/Eklund/Toronto-Eyes-Rakell-While-PhillyNashville-Talk--Sabres-Writers/1/110405 Edited March 14, 2021 by Cheesesteak added link Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OccamsRazor Posted March 14, 2021 Share Posted March 14, 2021 12 minutes ago, Cheesesteak said: Ok, it's Eklund but he's saying it's "out there" that the Preds are after Patrick. that first better be heading the Flyers way if so. Ekholm for Patrick and a First https://www.hockeybuzz.com/blog/Eklund/Toronto-Eyes-Rakell-While-PhillyNashville-Talk--Sabres-Writers/1/110405 I would do Patrick and a 2nd. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoachX Posted March 14, 2021 Share Posted March 14, 2021 10 minutes ago, OccamsRazor said: I would do Patrick and a 2nd. I would do patrick and my first born son, just to get rid of him My kid makes great popcorn 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OccamsRazor Posted March 14, 2021 Share Posted March 14, 2021 5 minutes ago, CoachX said: I would do patrick and my first born son, just to get rid of him My kid makes great popcorn I would have to make the pick conditional to them getting to the conference finals at least. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OccamsRazor Posted March 14, 2021 Share Posted March 14, 2021 So wow if we could get someone to just play you know uh defense...they are allowed to play defense in Philly right? Alexander Appleyard @avappleyard . @NHLFlyers fwds pt pace (82 games): Couturier: 98 JvR: 92 Farabee: 75 Giroux: 68 Voracek: 67 Hayes: 66 Konecny: 65 Laughton: 56 Raffl: 27 Lindblom: 26 NAK: 24 Patrick: 20 Hard for fwd group to score more really. Ofc would love to see Lindblom+Patrick pick it up... I mean damn if the guy who you know are called "defensemen" don't/can't/won't play defense then goddammit go get someone who will show them how... ...someone try to keep the little black thingy out the box with a net on it... ....please... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jammer2 Posted March 14, 2021 Share Posted March 14, 2021 It all comes down to...is this a one year rental? If so, that is dumb. They are not one big move away from a history making playoff run. If its not a rental for Ekholm...then one of Sanheim or Myers must get moved before the deadline. The only way the expansion draft works for the Flyers roster is protecting 3 d men. The other option cuts to deep ....this is a lateral move. Not overly upset at losing Patrick...but NOT s 1st also. For a 1 year rental, really?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OccamsRazor Posted March 14, 2021 Share Posted March 14, 2021 58 minutes ago, jammer2 said: It all comes down to...is this a one year rental? If so, that is dumb. They are not one big move away from a history making playoff run. If its not a rental for Ekholm...then one of Sanheim or Myers must get moved before the deadline. The only way the expansion draft works for the Flyers roster is protecting 3 d men. The other option cuts to deep ....this is a lateral move. Not overly upset at losing Patrick...but NOT s 1st also. For a 1 year rental, really?? Doesn’t have to be a rental. And you can protect all the defensemen. You'll just have to expose Lindblom. I'm good with that they won't take him for the cancer risk. And if they do well they have more forward depth than defensive depth. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jammer2 Posted March 14, 2021 Share Posted March 14, 2021 1 hour ago, OccamsRazor said: Doesn’t have to be a rental. And you can protect all the defensemen. You'll just have to expose Lindblom. I'm good with that they won't take him for the cancer risk. And if they do well they have more forward depth than defensive depth. Whats the amount of forwards they can keep if 4+ d men are protected? Thought it would go deeper than Lindblom? If that is the case, a top 4 d man is more important than Lindblom. They miss Niskanen badly and no one on this roster cam mimic his play...not even close. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OccamsRazor Posted March 15, 2021 Share Posted March 15, 2021 48 minutes ago, jammer2 said: Whats the amount of forwards they can keep if 4+ d men are protected? Thought it would go deeper than Lindblom? Protected: Giroux Coots Hayes Konecny Provorov Sanheim Myers Ekholm Hart Expose: JVR Voracek Lindblom NAK Hagg Braun 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OccamsRazor Posted March 15, 2021 Share Posted March 15, 2021 21 hours ago, RonJeremy said: Ratcliffe or Allison come out of nowhere and help this team. This is the sniper they need so badly...man this kid has a cannon... ...he just needs to find a way to stay healthy and play to develop. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jammer2 Posted March 15, 2021 Share Posted March 15, 2021 2 hours ago, OccamsRazor said: Protected: Giroux Coots Hayes Konecny Provorov Sanheim Myers Ekholm Hart Expose: JVR Voracek Lindblom NAK Hagg Braun Thats not so bad. No way can JVR keep this up, hes way over his career shooting percentage. The Krack take him im good with it...and would give up Lindblom for Ekholm any day. Not to thrilled about the 1st being rumored to be included with Patrick. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Poconono Posted March 15, 2021 Share Posted March 15, 2021 On 3/5/2021 at 1:17 PM, mojo1917 said: One of the reasons Rutherford isn't there is he was trying to trade the Breck girl...er Kris Letang, he does have great hair... I digress. So I wonder which of the big 3 gets turned into 'the future"? The logical play is they move Malkenstien, does he get all the return they'll need? The picks they've made all seem to pan out pretty well. The team in WB/S is always competitive, those guys seamlessly integrate into the bottom 6 at least. I think the dynamics of that situation are more tricky than we can imagine. Does Hextall pull a Slats and trade Crosby instead.? I think the answer in Pittsburgh is having competent scouts. You're absolutely right - somehow, despite never having early picks, they keep coming up with players. Diametrically opposed to the early 2000's when the NHL made things easy for them with plenty of top three picks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OccamsRazor Posted March 15, 2021 Share Posted March 15, 2021 32 minutes ago, Poconono said: I think the answer in Pittsburgh is having competent scouts. You're absolutely right - somehow, despite never having early picks, they keep coming up with players. Diametrically opposed to the early 2000's when the NHL made things easy for them with plenty of top three picks. The biggest issues is it isn't an exact science and during all these combines when they are poking them (prospects) like cattle and measure all these different attributes the main issue is the can't measure the biggest muscle required. And that is heart. I mean look at the Preds for example the can just hit after hit on defensemen but they can't draft a forward to save their lives ( slightly over exaggerated yes but hey struggle). And it seems the Flyers have had their issues with defensemen and goalies. Has that changed with the current stable of guys we'll the jury is still out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoachX Posted March 15, 2021 Share Posted March 15, 2021 So Philly and Nash combine to make one team. They can settle in SC and be called the ice cocks 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OccamsRazor Posted March 15, 2021 Share Posted March 15, 2021 4 hours ago, CoachX said: So Philly and Nash combine to make one team. They can settle in SC and be called the ice cocks An interesting trade idea from an article on the Athletic...enjoy and please comment if you like why not the dead horse moved a little... Dallas Stars trade John Klingberg to Philadelphia Flyers First, congratulations to John Klingberg on the arrival of his first child, a daughter, Elsa. Second, it wouldn’t seem right if Klingberg ended up somewhere else. But life is sometimes not right, as this past year has taught us in spades. And Stars GM Jim Nill has a major salary cap headache on the horizon as he tries to balance the twin albatrosses of Jamie Benn and Tyler Seguin who combine for just under $20 million in cap hit for the next hundred years (give or take). Nill is also going to have to pay rising star Miro Heiskanen, who will be a restricted free agent at the end of the season. Klingberg has one more year left on a very team-friendly deal that carries a $4.25 million cap hit. Multiple sources familiar with the team have wondered aloud how or whether the team can afford Klingberg whose value on the open market, even with a flat cap, is in the $7 million range. If Heiskanen takes a bridge deal at $6 million or so that’s roughly $33 million, or north of 40 percent of your cap, taken up by four players. Throw in Esa Lindell at $5.8 million and now you’re almost to 50 percent of the cap with five players under contract. Yikes. So, back to Klingberg — and Philadelphia. The Flyers are in the mix in a very tough East Division and would love to bring in a veteran right-hand shot defenseman to help fill the void created by the retirement of Matt Niskanen. Klingberg doesn’t bring the snarl that Niskanen possessed but his offensive talents are off the charts and he has worked diligently to improve his defensive game. Few defensemen can work the puck laterally and put shots on net like Klingberg and he’s become a vocal, important part of the Stars leadership group. Also critical to the Flyers, who have the tools for a deep playoff run but have lacked consistency through the first half of this season, Klingberg was on an MVP arc last summer with 21 points in 26 games for a Stars team that came within two wins of the Cup. What would it cost? Plenty. A package that includes a first and maybe a second-round pick plus one of the Flyer’s top young offensive prospects. Would it be worth it to see Klingberg lining up with Ivan Provorov in a series against Boston, the Islanders, Washington or Pittsburgh? Maybe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyer4ever Posted March 15, 2021 Share Posted March 15, 2021 Great piece to add to a LEGIT CUP CONTENDER. Flyers are not that right now. If #28 would waive and go to Dallas then you could add Ekholm as well. Then you might contend. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mojo1917 Posted March 15, 2021 Share Posted March 15, 2021 3 minutes ago, flyer4ever said: If #28 would waive and go to Dallas If my aunt had any balls she'd be my uncle. what else you got? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RonJeremy Posted March 15, 2021 Share Posted March 15, 2021 7 minutes ago, mojo1917 said: If my aunt had any balls she'd be my uncle. what else you got? If I had a square ass, I’d **** bricks.... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoachX Posted March 15, 2021 Share Posted March 15, 2021 1 hour ago, OccamsRazor said: An interesting trade idea from an article on the Athletic...enjoy and please comment if you like why not the dead horse moved a little... Dallas Stars trade John Klingberg to Philadelphia Flyers First, congratulations to John Klingberg on the arrival of his first child, a daughter, Elsa. Second, it wouldn’t seem right if Klingberg ended up somewhere else. But life is sometimes not right, as this past year has taught us in spades. And Stars GM Jim Nill has a major salary cap headache on the horizon as he tries to balance the twin albatrosses of Jamie Benn and Tyler Seguin who combine for just under $20 million in cap hit for the next hundred years (give or take). Nill is also going to have to pay rising star Miro Heiskanen, who will be a restricted free agent at the end of the season. Klingberg has one more year left on a very team-friendly deal that carries a $4.25 million cap hit. Multiple sources familiar with the team have wondered aloud how or whether the team can afford Klingberg whose value on the open market, even with a flat cap, is in the $7 million range. If Heiskanen takes a bridge deal at $6 million or so that’s roughly $33 million, or north of 40 percent of your cap, taken up by four players. Throw in Esa Lindell at $5.8 million and now you’re almost to 50 percent of the cap with five players under contract. Yikes. So, back to Klingberg — and Philadelphia. The Flyers are in the mix in a very tough East Division and would love to bring in a veteran right-hand shot defenseman to help fill the void created by the retirement of Matt Niskanen. Klingberg doesn’t bring the snarl that Niskanen possessed but his offensive talents are off the charts and he has worked diligently to improve his defensive game. Few defensemen can work the puck laterally and put shots on net like Klingberg and he’s become a vocal, important part of the Stars leadership group. Also critical to the Flyers, who have the tools for a deep playoff run but have lacked consistency through the first half of this season, Klingberg was on an MVP arc last summer with 21 points in 26 games for a Stars team that came within two wins of the Cup. What would it cost? Plenty. A package that includes a first and maybe a second-round pick plus one of the Flyer’s top young offensive prospects. Would it be worth it to see Klingberg lining up with Ivan Provorov in a series against Boston, the Islanders, Washington or Pittsburgh? Maybe. Sounds like a ghost/gus type player Yeah, i think that horse has been whipped enough 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyer4ever Posted March 15, 2021 Share Posted March 15, 2021 1 hour ago, mojo1917 said: If my aunt had any balls she'd be my uncle. what else you got? MJ you gotta relax and look up sarcasm in the dictionary. With the new world order and LGBTQ recognition he/she could be both. The new logo is nice. Im not a cat guy. Thats more sarcasm btw. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cheesesteak Posted March 15, 2021 Share Posted March 15, 2021 1 hour ago, flyer4ever said: MJ you gotta relax and look up sarcasm in the dictionary. With the new world order and LGBTQ recognition he/she could be both. The new logo is nice. Im not a cat guy. Thats more sarcasm btw. saved mojo the hastle sarcasm [ˈsärˌkazəm] NOUN the use of irony to mock or convey contempt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoachX Posted March 15, 2021 Share Posted March 15, 2021 22 minutes ago, Cheesesteak said: mock or convey contempt Words to live by 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mojo1917 Posted March 16, 2021 Share Posted March 16, 2021 (edited) 22 hours ago, flyer4ever said: MJ you gotta relax and look up sarcasm in the dictionary. With the new world order and LGBTQ recognition he/she could be both. The new logo is nice. Im not a cat guy. Thats more sarcasm btw. Very happy your delicate sensibilities are no longer offended by my profile photo. If you missed the point of what I'm getting at here it's okay, I'll lay it out for you, more concretely. 28 isn't waiving his NMC, so similar to this other thing that won't happen either ; what other ideas do you have to give the team a jolt? Edited March 16, 2021 by mojo1917 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ruxpin Posted March 16, 2021 Share Posted March 16, 2021 19 hours ago, flyer4ever said: Great piece to add to a LEGIT CUP CONTENDER. Flyers are not that right now. If #28 would waive and go to Dallas then you could add Ekholm as well. Then you might contend. Dallas only has to trade Klingberg (or would even consider) because of cap concerns. I doubt trading him for a player making twice as much actually helps that. 17 hours ago, flyer4ever said: MJ you gotta relax and look up sarcasm in the dictionary. With the new world order and LGBTQ recognition he/she could be both. The new logo is nice. Im not a cat guy. Thats more sarcasm btw. Interesting given that the post that prompted this response was, in fact, sarcasm. (and a bit of smarm) You are aware that while a dictionary definition is nice, even better is the ability to both give and recognize it when it's coming back, right? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OccamsRazor Posted March 16, 2021 Share Posted March 16, 2021 19 minutes ago, ruxpin said: Dallas only has to trade Klingberg (or would even consider) because of cap concerns. I doubt trading him for a player making twice as much actually helps that. Besides the Flyers need a defenseman who is better in his own end and even though Klingberg is making strides i think in that part of his game, the defenseman needs to bring a physical element to his game as well. Klingberg while i admit is more physical than a Travis Sanheim they need a more of a what a Ekholm or Savard type bring for the defense. Someone who can rub someone off the puck. For myself it is either these one of these two or just stay put. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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