Brewin Flames Posted March 10, 2022 Share Posted March 10, 2022 Look at the breakdown.... The #BringittoBroad re-signed 27 y/o D Rasmus Ristolainen to 5 year $5.1M Cap Hit Deal: Yr 1 4M Yr 2 5.5M Yr 3 6.5M Yr 4 5.5M Yr 5 4M Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
radoran Posted March 10, 2022 Share Posted March 10, 2022 35 minutes ago, mojo1917 said: whispers that Giroux may not waive his NMC because *emotions- are there honestly such whispers? JFC I mean, I have always fully expected them to re-sign him for next year. But he helps the team if he is traded for an asset as well and he gets a legit chance at a Cup. That said, I'm also not entirely sure that the teams he wants to go to want to part with the assets the Flyers want in order to send him there. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mojo1917 Posted March 10, 2022 Author Share Posted March 10, 2022 Even trying to just look at the position and not this particular player. 5x5 seems like a lot for a #4 defenseman. In three years with a rising cap, maybe that's market price, maybe not. When the player is factored in, is Ristolainen one of the 120 best defensemen in the league? Well, some people think so. Is he in the top 90? definitely not, his metrics are still no bueno, but I do think he's in that top 120. That means we're paying a high aav to middling #4 for 5 years. Will he get better? My magic eightball's signs point to no block is getting worn out. He does hit, yay... but, he also cedes the blueline pretty easily. Now is this happening because his partner is up ice and he has a forward covering so is trying to defend all 90 sq feet of the zone? Doesn't matter, he gets dog-walked at the blueline too much for a guy with his physical gifts. I don't have the best feeling about this extension, it doesn't feel as bad as one Andrew MacDonald deal but that was a low point. This has more of a JvR redux feel for me. dang it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
radoran Posted March 10, 2022 Share Posted March 10, 2022 7 minutes ago, Brewin Flames said: Yr 4 5.5M Yr 5 4M That's actually not entirely an unreasonable buyout... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mojo1917 Posted March 10, 2022 Author Share Posted March 10, 2022 (edited) 10 minutes ago, radoran said: are there honestly such whispers? JFC Anthony was saying G is taking the prospect of leaving pretty hard, mentioned since the Fletcher press availability with Dilatant Scott Giroux's production has nosedived. This may cause "interested teams" to think twice about giving up "the ask" because they fear wounded mouse is coming to their team and not the near point per game 62% face off player. I have an amount of empathy, as I've explained in the G trade thread, but not so much that I think what SanFillipo was talking about is justifiable in any capacity. Take the family, make it an adventure, keep the trap shut about future plans if the heart is set on finishing here. Maybe this is easier said than done, but we are talking about an adult who should be capable of such actions. Edited March 10, 2022 by mojo1917 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyer4ever Posted March 10, 2022 Share Posted March 10, 2022 2 hours ago, SCFlyguy said: C’mon, why does everyone have to be so negative all the time? It’s too soon to judge Chuck’s moves. Let’s give this move a couple years before we jump to conclusions. I want to see what this team looks like when Couturier starts his 8 year extension coming off surgery and Ellis comes back from missing almost an entire year. With a couple of smart moves we could turn this thing around next year. With every player currently signed and healthy, this Flyer team is mediocre, at best. It seems that is the goal. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
radoran Posted March 10, 2022 Share Posted March 10, 2022 8 minutes ago, mojo1917 said: Take the family, make it an adventure, keep the trap shut about future plans if the heart is set on finishing here. Quite Frankly, any team that doesn't think this is a 100% rental is fooling themselves. The one's he'd even be interested in going to also don't really have the room to extend him anyway. 11 minutes ago, mojo1917 said: Maybe this is easier said than done, but we are talking about an adult who should be capable of such actions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mojo1917 Posted March 10, 2022 Author Share Posted March 10, 2022 @radoran right there with you and Michael Scott. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoachX Posted March 10, 2022 Share Posted March 10, 2022 Has anyone checked the ledge on the Walt Whitman? We may find a lineup of current Flyers who can't get the FCK outta dodge 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Howie58 Posted March 10, 2022 Share Posted March 10, 2022 I was taken aback at the length and term of this deal. What comes to mind: 1. Maybe he sees a future working pairing with Sanheim. That might be a bright spot in a dismal season. 2. CF knows Ellis may not come back and we have another Rathje on our hands. This is an insurance policy. 3. He can't psychologically take the sunk costs and move on. 4. He thinks advanced stats don't tell the whole story. The signing doesn't leave me feeling any better about the Flyers' future. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoachX Posted March 10, 2022 Share Posted March 10, 2022 2 minutes ago, Howie58 said: I was taken aback at the length and term of this deal. What comes to mind: 1. Maybe he sees a future working pairing with Sanheim. That might be a bright spot in a dismal season. 2. CF knows Ellis may not come back and we have another Rathje on our hands. This is an insurance policy. 3. He can't psychologically take the sunk costs and move on. 4. He thinks advanced stats don't tell the whole story. The signing doesn't leave me feeling any better about the Flyers' future. another possibility, Fletcher's head is stuck completely up his a$$ 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Howie58 Posted March 10, 2022 Share Posted March 10, 2022 Just now, CoachX said: another possibility, Fletcher's head is stuck completely up his a$$ That is a distinct possibility! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
radoran Posted March 10, 2022 Share Posted March 10, 2022 4 minutes ago, Howie58 said: 3. He can't psychologically take the sunk costs and move on. 4. He thinks advanced stats don't tell the whole story. IMO, it's these two. No GM gives up what he gave up and walks away after Y1. And every GM thinks they're smarter than everyone else. 5 minutes ago, Howie58 said: The signing doesn't leave me feeling any better about the Flyers' future. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyercanuck Posted March 10, 2022 Share Posted March 10, 2022 4 minutes ago, Howie58 said: I was taken aback at the length and term of this deal. What comes to mind: 1. Maybe he sees a future working pairing with Sanheim. That might be a bright spot in a dismal season. Or he's trading Sanheim, cause he's actually good. 4 minutes ago, Howie58 said: 2. CF knows Ellis may not come back and we have another Rathje on our hands. This is an insurance policy. No it's not. Ristolainen isn't any good. 4 minutes ago, Howie58 said: 3. He can't psychologically take the sunk costs and move on. Bingo! 4 minutes ago, Howie58 said: 4. He thinks advanced stats don't tell the whole story. Fletcher clearly is a lot dumber than his education says he is. 4 minutes ago, Howie58 said: The signing doesn't leave me feeling any better about the Flyers' future. This team is screwed for years. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoachX Posted March 10, 2022 Share Posted March 10, 2022 1 minute ago, radoran said: And every GM thinks they're smarter than everyone else. the fact that Fletcher thinks he's smarter than anyone else, shows how big of a dumbazz he is Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyercanuck Posted March 10, 2022 Share Posted March 10, 2022 Can't wait for Bob Clarke in March 2027 to tell us how Ron Hextall made Fletcher sign Ristolainen to this contract. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
radoran Posted March 10, 2022 Share Posted March 10, 2022 (edited) 5 minutes ago, flyercanuck said: Ron Hextall made Fletcher sign Ristolainen to this contract. Well, after he forced Homer to send a 2nd and a 3rd for MacDonald and then twisted his arm to give him that contract, that's just clearly the type of deranged lunatic Hextall was... Edited March 10, 2022 by radoran 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OccamsRazor Posted March 10, 2022 Share Posted March 10, 2022 53 minutes ago, radoran said: But he helps the team if he is traded for an asset as well and he gets a legit chance at a Cup Yes it sucks it is like being deployed. But it is to chase a dream...think of it as going to the Allstars "weeks"....to hoist what he has always chased. If he comes back then he may have even learned something useful to continue on Philly. Like coming back from battle...........hopefully not on his shield. Unless he knows he will be tempted even further once he gets gone and learns something "new" and a different perspective. Winning is addictive or is to some.... 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoachX Posted March 10, 2022 Share Posted March 10, 2022 52 minutes ago, OccamsRazor said: Winning is addictive or is to some We clearly have no addiction problems in the Flyer organization 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RonJeremy Posted March 10, 2022 Share Posted March 10, 2022 1 hour ago, CoachX said: We clearly have no addiction problems in the Flyer organization Sure we do , we are addicted to 10 game losing streaks,it’s similar to a 10 day crack binge. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mojo1917 Posted March 10, 2022 Author Share Posted March 10, 2022 7 minutes ago, RonJeremy said: Sure we do , we are addicted to 10 game losing streaks,it’s similar to a 10 day crack binge. Speak for yourself. I hate this losing and the hopelessness that permeates this team. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ruxpin Posted March 10, 2022 Share Posted March 10, 2022 I hate the Flyers. I'm done. The Risto signing makes NO sober sense from either an eye test nor a metrics test. Fk the flyers. Utter garbage 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RonJeremy Posted March 11, 2022 Share Posted March 11, 2022 1 hour ago, mojo1917 said: Speak for yourself. I hate this losing and the hopelessness that permeates this team. When I said we , I meant the team, not us the long suffering fans. I’m tired of losing too ,but I truly believe it had to get worse before it gets better . I know it’s a long shot , but if Schmuck gets a great return for Giroux and we get a top five pick and he drafts a good player it can at least give us something to hope for. We have some good young guys like Ratcliffe, Brink, Zamula, York and Foerester , O’ Brian is starting to look like a good prospect . Lindblom is starting to come on and Sanheim is showing some great plays in the offensive zone. Hart is very good. We just need a good coach for next year who is gonna give the young guys a chance to play and not have a team full of Brassards and Charlie Browns. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoachX Posted March 11, 2022 Share Posted March 11, 2022 I was out to dinner and they had an avalanche game on. My interest was peaked. Denver is only 6 hours north and i fly free Maybe its time 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoachX Posted March 11, 2022 Share Posted March 11, 2022 1 hour ago, ruxpin said: I hate the Flyers. I'm done. The Risto signing makes NO sober sense from either an eye test nor a metrics test. Fk the flyers. Utter garbage Join me in denver. I'll buy the first pitcher 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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